Re: Oxycontin
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:38 am
Low dopamine folks will do anything to feel normal/good and you cant "blame" them. Drugs, gambling...most of society's bad behaviors
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Heh.Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:11 pmA witness has testified that an ex-stripper-turned-drug company executive gave a doctor a lap dance as part of a sales pitch for an addictive fentanyl spray.
Holly Brown, a former sales representative at Insys Therapeutics, said in federal court on Tuesday that her then-boss, Sunrise Lee, had been rewarding the Illinois doctor, identified as Paul Madison, who received the alleged dance for prescribing the powerful product to patients and paying him to speak at events, Reuters reported. link
I worked in a company that hired 98% (estimated) attractive females, it was cool. Not sure it was an industry specification though.Ms. Napier, 26, was a star cheerleader on the national-champion University of Kentucky squad, which has been a springboard for many careers in pharmaceutical sales. She now plies doctors' offices selling the antacid Prevacid for TAP Pharmaceutical Products.
Ms. Napier says the skills she honed performing for thousands of fans helped land her job. "I would think, essentially, that cheerleaders make good sales people," she said.
Anyone who has seen the parade of sales representatives through a doctor's waiting room has probably noticed that they are frequently female and invariably good looking. Less recognized is the fact that a good many are recruited from the cheerleading ranks.
Known for their athleticism, postage-stamp skirts and persuasive enthusiasm, cheerleaders have many qualities the drug industry looks for in its sales force. link
It was really thought provoking when he pointed out that nobody had ever overdosed from those morphine things they give you in the hospital after surgery where you can give yourself as much as you want.MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:20 pmThat was a great article!jacksonM wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:43 amAn excellent article by an MD who seems to really understand what's behind the opioid OD crisis. Hint - it's not over-prescription by MD's or pharmaceutical companies turning into drug pushers. It's prohibition.
https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... oblem.html
The overall point about prohibition is a good one, but I just couldn't resist mentioning that there's apparently something the author doesn't know about PCA (patient controlled analgesia): yes you can give yourself tiny doses of morphine when you want it, but there is a built-in limit so you can't give yourself more than a set maximum per hour. Do you really think a a hospital in our litigious society would hand you a clicker that could injure or kill you if you hit it too many times?jacksonM wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:35 pmIt was really thought provoking when he pointed out that nobody had ever overdosed from those morphine things they give you in the hospital after surgery where you can give yourself as much as you want.MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:20 pmThat was a great article!jacksonM wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:43 amAn excellent article by an MD who seems to really understand what's behind the opioid OD crisis. Hint - it's not over-prescription by MD's or pharmaceutical companies turning into drug pushers. It's prohibition.
https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... oblem.html
If I understood him correctly, the OD's are mostly the result of people taking powerful illegal drugs laced with fentanyl for which they have not allowed their bodies to build up a tolerance.
Reminded me a little of the stories of alcohol being intentionally poisoned during prohibition which contributed to a lot of deaths among alcoholics. Only this time the government isn't actively doing the poisoning. They are just allowing drug dealers to do it for them.
I think your last sentence was the salient point of the article. If people could get the drugs or whatever it is they need to cope without it is they are coping with then they wouldn't have to resort to buying illegal and unsafe drugs in desperation.WiseOne wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:57 pmThe overall point about prohibition is a good one, but I just couldn't resist mentioning that there's apparently something the author doesn't know about PCA (patient controlled analgesia): yes you can give yourself tiny doses of morphine when you want it, but there is a built-in limit so you can't give yourself more than a set maximum per hour. Do you really think a a hospital in our litigious society would hand you a clicker that could injure or kill you if you hit it too many times?jacksonM wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:35 pmIt was really thought provoking when he pointed out that nobody had ever overdosed from those morphine things they give you in the hospital after surgery where you can give yourself as much as you want.
If I understood him correctly, the OD's are mostly the result of people taking powerful illegal drugs laced with fentanyl for which they have not allowed their bodies to build up a tolerance.
Reminded me a little of the stories of alcohol being intentionally poisoned during prohibition which contributed to a lot of deaths among alcoholics. Only this time the government isn't actively doing the poisoning. They are just allowing drug dealers to do it for them.
Interestingly, one reason that everyone likes PCA pumps is that patients end up getting less morphine with one of those than when they're on a traditional prn schedule where they have to ask a nurse for a dose. It's about the patient having complete control.
Dozens of medical professionals in seven states were charged Wednesday with participating in the illegal prescribing of more than 32 million pain pills, including doctors who prosecutors said traded sex for prescriptions and a dentist who unnecessarily pulled teeth from patients to justify giving them opioids.
The 60 people indicted include 31 doctors, seven pharmacists, eight nurse practitioners and seven other licensed medical professionals. The charges stem from the government’s largest prescription-opioid takedown. It involves more than 350,000 illegal prescriptions written in Alabama, Kentucky, Louisiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and West Virginia, according to indictments unsealed in federal court in Cincinnati.
“That is the equivalent of one opioid dose for every man, woman and child” in the region, Brian Benczkowski, an assistant attorney general in charge of the Justice Department’s criminal division, said in an interview. “If these medical professionals behave like drug dealers, you can rest assured that the Justice Department is going to treat them like drug dealers.”
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Excellent question. You have to be several kinds of stupid not to know that Big Brother is watching you, via pharmacy records and your DEA number. Unfortunately, it's not hard for a person with below average smarts and above average greed to get through medical training. Just go to a foreign medical school that's easy to get into, like Grenada, and get a residency spot in a noncompetitive field where the slots don't fill up (e.g. primary care in an out of the way location). It's even easier for a nurse practitioner, about 5 years less training and they never have to do overnight calls.Maddy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:16 pmWho are these "medical professionals?" How, in this day and age of computerized-everything, does this kind of prescribing pattern go unnoticed? Who in their right mind spends $200,000 for a medical degree and then risks everything? Who are these peoples' professional peers, and why aren't they speaking up? Cartels bringing in boatloads of heroin I get, but this kind of thing leaves me confused.
This is common, and there is no mechanism out there to alert physicians to this behavior. This might have been one of the benefits of a national EHR system, if the Obama administration had done it right instead of royally screwing things up.Prosecutors also documented how patients traveled to multiple states to see different doctors so they could collect and then fill numerous prescriptions.
Back in my younger days there was an elderly doctor who was known for handing out prescriptions to anyone who asked and if you didn't have any money he didn't even ask you to pay. It wasn't oxycontin that people were mostly in search of back then but "downers" were all the rage. I think they called them "sobers". You had to take the prescription and shop it around a bit however, because many of the pharmacists wouldn't fill it.Maddy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:16 pmWho are these "medical professionals?" How, in this day and age of computerized-everything, does this kind of prescribing pattern go unnoticed? Who in their right mind spends $200,000 for a medical degree and then risks everything? Who are these peoples' professional peers, and why aren't they speaking up? Cartels bringing in boatloads of heroin I get, but this kind of thing leaves me confused.
Point taken :-)MangoMan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:38 pmLOL, aren't you in favor of some version of government run medicare for all? Why on earth would that not be yet another clusterf*ck? What are the chances a bunch of politicians, who know nothing about healthcare, don't make the problem worse, especially when you have people like AOC trying to control everything?
The way I am leaning....Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:55 pmThe war on drugs is over.
Drugs won.
Time to declare defeat and get out.
Who doesn't know that these drugs are addictive? Who isn't able to discern this risk for him or herself?
However...…