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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by D1984 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:31 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:19 pm
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Just FWIW Norway is one of the most equal nations in the world has more state ownership of the means of production/of capital than Venezuela has or had and Norway seems to be doing alright for itself.
How absolutely dare you try to make a point that a country with such an unhealthy amount of white males is better than a diverse one???
:-\ ????

I wasn't trying to make any point that had anything to do with the amount of white males Norway has vs Venezuela (or vs anywhere else). Did something in my post seem i was saying something about the racial makeup of either Norway or Venezuela vis-a-vis the states of their respective economies?

I am now confused.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Xan » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:30 pm

D1984 wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:31 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:19 pm
D1984 wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:49 pm
Just FWIW Norway is one of the most equal nations in the world has more state ownership of the means of production/of capital than Venezuela has or had and Norway seems to be doing alright for itself.
How absolutely dare you try to make a point that a country with such an unhealthy amount of white males is better than a diverse one???
:-\ ????

I wasn't trying to make any point that had anything to do with the amount of white males Norway has vs Venezuela (or vs anywhere else). Did something in my post seem i was saying something about the racial makeup of either Norway or Venezuela vis-a-vis the states of their respective economies?

I am now confused.

I believe Krieg's tongue was firmly in his cheek. He took you to task in a faux way for inadvertently introducing the non-politically-correct idea that socialism works for homogeneous societies of certain racial (really, more likely cultural and historical) persuasions and not for others.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Lonestar » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:33 am

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I see little "principled" in what most folks (left and right) do as it pertains to the state and government benefits. Many folks on the right happily dive into the treasure troves of Social Security and Medicare, Both (especially the latter) of which they probably contributed far-far less than they might take, while simultaneously abhorring the use of food stamps by an urban single-mom.
Interesting point.

Personally, I live in a an area of the county that you would probably consider a "knuckle dragging redneck" environment. The vast majority of my friends that are reaping the rewards of receiving more from Social Security than they paid in would have gladly preferred to have been able to privatize their own retirements by investing their SS tax obligations. However, they had no choice, with SS tax being mandatory!

As far as Medicare, most would also prefer to utilize private medical insurance to guarantee they can "keep their own physician" (where did we hear that?). Unfortunately, this is out of the question cost-wise, partly caused by government's intrusion into health care.

Last, I don't feel that the use of food stamps is viewed as appalling when used by an urban single mom. I do feel the working class has become critical of this because of the impression of a series of bad decisions by these single moms. I'm old enough to remember when welfare entitlements were not out of favor by taxpayers. That has shifted because of welfare abuse.

The point I'm trying to make is maybe there really is "principled" in what most folks (left and right) do as it pertains to the state and government benefits
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:08 am

Things could get a lot uglier. Given the current climate I would almost predict that they will......

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... stitution/

Article III does not prescribe the size of the Supreme Court; Congress does. For decades, the number of justices fluctuated between six and 10, before coming to rest at nine in 1869. But a congressional majority could eliminate all but one justice to cripple the Supreme Court’s review of constitutional questions decided by 50 state judiciaries. Congress could further emasculate the Court by curtailing its appellate jurisdiction under Article III, Section 2, Clause 2 to cases in which the amount in controversy exceeds $100 million.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kbg » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:38 pm

I spent most of my professional life in the military, and personally I am pretty positive on the younger generation. I've spent a lot of time with the younger crowd in that environment and a church environment. They are more team and group oriented than the baby boomers and to me hearken back to a more community oriented perspective that existed in generations previous to the boomers. What I think we are seeing right now is the last narcissistic thrashing of the outgoing boomer generation (left and right) since they have taken over all the major levers of power from the WW 2 generation. The boomers have always been very "it's all about me." I think it will be good in may ways when they leave the scene. (And I'm right on the tail end of the boomers.)

Whether you like FDRs all we have to fear is fear itself or Reagan's it's morning in America again, being positive has always been a winning political approach in the US. The first party to get out of attack mode and back to laying out a positive vision for America is going to do very well I think. Most everyone I know is really getting sick of this stuff.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:53 pm

Kbg wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:38 pm
I spent most of my professional life in the military, and personally I am pretty positive on the younger generation. I've spent a lot of time with the younger crowd in that environment and a church environment. They are more team and group oriented than the baby boomers and to me hearken back to a more community oriented perspective that existed in generations previous to the boomers. What I think we are seeing right now is the last narcissistic thrashing of the outgoing boomer generation (left and right) since they have taken over all the major levers of power from the WW 2 generation. The boomers have always been very "it's all about me." I think it will be good in may ways when they leave the scene. (And I'm right on the tail end of the boomers.)

Whether you like FDRs all we have to fear is fear itself or Reagan's it's morning in America again, being positive has always been a winning political approach in the US. The first party to get out of attack mode and back to laying out a positive vision for America is going to do very well I think. Most everyone I know is really getting sick of this stuff.
Well, I'm on the front-end of the baby boomer generation (1949) so thanks for the "positive vision" you are putting forth.

I know this will sound narcissistic but I plan on disappointing you by living to be 100.

And for the record, as a late baby boomer you must have missed the hippie movement with its emphasis on communal living.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kbg » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:59 pm

jacksonM wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:53 pm
Kbg wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:38 pm
I spent most of my professional life in the military, and personally I am pretty positive on the younger generation. I've spent a lot of time with the younger crowd in that environment and a church environment. They are more team and group oriented than the baby boomers and to me hearken back to a more community oriented perspective that existed in generations previous to the boomers. What I think we are seeing right now is the last narcissistic thrashing of the outgoing boomer generation (left and right) since they have taken over all the major levers of power from the WW 2 generation. The boomers have always been very "it's all about me." I think it will be good in may ways when they leave the scene. (And I'm right on the tail end of the boomers.)

Whether you like FDRs all we have to fear is fear itself or Reagan's it's morning in America again, being positive has always been a winning political approach in the US. The first party to get out of attack mode and back to laying out a positive vision for America is going to do very well I think. Most everyone I know is really getting sick of this stuff.
Well, I'm on the front-end of the baby boomer generation (1949) so thanks for the "positive vision" you are putting forth.

I know this will sound narcissistic but I plan on disappointing you by living to be 100.

And for the record, as a late baby boomer you must have missed the hippie movement with its emphasis on communal living.
J.M.,

I'm one too and I hope you do live to 100. But I don't take back a single word of what I wrote. Hippie was full on when I was in elementary school. I think there were some great communal efforts that were attempted, but ultimately a self-oriented focus on free love and drugs that went along with a lot of the hippie movement ended up being self-defeating in the end. Community extends way beyond a small farm in a backwoods somewhere and ultimately plays out at a societal level. One of my favorite statistics illustrating my point...millennials have half the crime rate as baby boomers did for equivalent age groups. Boomers also have the largest divorce rate of any US generation. They also have abysmally low retirement and regular savings rates comparatively. The characterization of boomers being one if not the most selfish generation ever is no news flash on my part.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Maddy » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:30 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:38 pm
Speaking as a late boomer myself with millenial kids, if the crime rate is lower it's because they are too lazy to go commit them, or need one of us to show them how. :P
Or because there are cameras in every aisle and all the merchandise that has any appeal to young people is now contained in theft-proof packaging. Gee, wonder why.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kbg » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:49 pm

Maddy wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:30 pm
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Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:38 pm
Speaking as a late boomer myself with millenial kids, if the crime rate is lower it's because they are too lazy to go commit them, or need one of us to show them how. :P
Or because there are cameras in every aisle and all the merchandise that has any appeal to young people is now contained in theft-proof packaging. Gee, wonder why.
I try to not be negative in life and clearly what I have posted is. Ultimately the above may be interesting at some level (or not) but what matters most is what we do and who we are as a person.

Circle upside down “Y”. :-)
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:31 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:38 pm
Speaking as a late boomer myself with millenial kids, if the crime rate is lower it's because they are too lazy to go commit them, or need one of us to show them how. :P
Self pwnage or humblebrag?
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:06 pm

https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/12/prot ... apologize/

On one hand:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

And on the other:
If you want a vision of the future, imagine feminist pussyhatters shrieking in your face- forever.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:10 pm

MangoMan wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:59 pm
my employees are, sadly, more representative.
I think Harry and Charles Hugh Smith are right; I don't think having employees would lead to a happier life.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by moda0306 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:03 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:06 pm
https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/12/prot ... apologize/

On one hand:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

And on the other:
If you want a vision of the future, imagine feminist pussyhatters shrieking in your face- forever.
That, and Trumpist MAGA-hatters complaining about powerless shrieking libs, brown people and "thu librul Mediuh" while the country is robbed out from under them by the uber-wealthy.

And the other 60% of the population that's level-headed, chained to a sinking ship.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:10 am

Kbg wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:59 pm
jacksonM wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:53 pm
Kbg wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:38 pm
I spent most of my professional life in the military, and personally I am pretty positive on the younger generation. I've spent a lot of time with the younger crowd in that environment and a church environment. They are more team and group oriented than the baby boomers and to me hearken back to a more community oriented perspective that existed in generations previous to the boomers. What I think we are seeing right now is the last narcissistic thrashing of the outgoing boomer generation (left and right) since they have taken over all the major levers of power from the WW 2 generation. The boomers have always been very "it's all about me." I think it will be good in may ways when they leave the scene. (And I'm right on the tail end of the boomers.)

Whether you like FDRs all we have to fear is fear itself or Reagan's it's morning in America again, being positive has always been a winning political approach in the US. The first party to get out of attack mode and back to laying out a positive vision for America is going to do very well I think. Most everyone I know is really getting sick of this stuff.
Well, I'm on the front-end of the baby boomer generation (1949) so thanks for the "positive vision" you are putting forth.

I know this will sound narcissistic but I plan on disappointing you by living to be 100.

And for the record, as a late baby boomer you must have missed the hippie movement with its emphasis on communal living.
J.M.,

I'm one too and I hope you do live to 100. But I don't take back a single word of what I wrote. Hippie was full on when I was in elementary school. I think there were some great communal efforts that were attempted, but ultimately a self-oriented focus on free love and drugs that went along with a lot of the hippie movement ended up being self-defeating in the end. Community extends way beyond a small farm in a backwoods somewhere and ultimately plays out at a societal level. One of my favorite statistics illustrating my point...millennials have half the crime rate as baby boomers did for equivalent age groups. Boomers also have the largest divorce rate of any US generation. They also have abysmally low retirement and regular savings rates comparatively. The characterization of boomers being one if not the most selfish generation ever is no news flash on my part.
I'm still raising a 22 year old millenial. She was adopted so she she's not infected with my baby boomer genes. On one hand I could commend her for the minimalist lifestyle she is leading. She doesn't drive a car but walks to work every day to her part time job that provides her with all the money she needs or wants. She also has a strong sense of community and carries on a rich social life but it's almost 100 percent online from the comfort of her bedroom.

On the other hand I wonder if she is ever going to be able to leave home and take care of herself.

Update: 25 things we did as kids that would get someone arrested today. I did all 3 of them. https://www.theorganicprepper.com/the-l ... ted-today/
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Maddy » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:03 pm

jacksonM wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:10 am

I'm still raising a 22 year old millenial. She was adopted so she she's not infected with my baby boomer genes. On one hand I could commend her for the minimalist lifestyle she is leading. She doesn't drive a car but walks to work every day to her part time job that provides her with all the money she needs or wants. She also has a strong sense of community and carries on a rich social life but it's almost 100 percent online from the comfort of her bedroom.

On the other hand I wonder if she is ever going to be able to leave home and take care of herself.
Just curious-- Why would you "commend" her for a lifestyle that requires you to subsidize it, and that might cause her to be permanently handicapped as a result? No offense meant, but since you seem to be aware of the problem, it seems like a natural question.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:51 pm

Maddy wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:03 pm
jacksonM wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:10 am

I'm still raising a 22 year old millenial. She was adopted so she she's not infected with my baby boomer genes. On one hand I could commend her for the minimalist lifestyle she is leading. She doesn't drive a car but walks to work every day to her part time job that provides her with all the money she needs or wants. She also has a strong sense of community and carries on a rich social life but it's almost 100 percent online from the comfort of her bedroom.

On the other hand I wonder if she is ever going to be able to leave home and take care of herself.
Just curious-- Why would you "commend" her for a lifestyle that requires you to subsidize it, and that might cause her to be permanently handicapped as a result? No offense meant, but since you seem to be aware of the problem, it seems like a natural question.
Was just looking to put some positive spin on it. At least her carbon footprint is very low.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Maddy » Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:58 pm

jacksonM wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:51 pm
Maddy wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:03 pm
jacksonM wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:10 am

I'm still raising a 22 year old millenial. She was adopted so she she's not infected with my baby boomer genes. On one hand I could commend her for the minimalist lifestyle she is leading. She doesn't drive a car but walks to work every day to her part time job that provides her with all the money she needs or wants. She also has a strong sense of community and carries on a rich social life but it's almost 100 percent online from the comfort of her bedroom.

On the other hand I wonder if she is ever going to be able to leave home and take care of herself.
Just curious-- Why would you "commend" her for a lifestyle that requires you to subsidize it, and that might cause her to be permanently handicapped as a result? No offense meant, but since you seem to be aware of the problem, it seems like a natural question.
Was just looking to put some positive spin on it. At least her carbon footprint is very low.

Maybe I shouldn't have been so nosy. I think there are a lot of parents in the same boat, but I suspect most are in denial about the probable consequences of enabling the delaying of adulthood. Considering your honesty and forthrightness about that risk, I guess I was hoping you could shed some light on why a parent would allow that potentially detrimental situation to persist. If you don't want to expand, that's fine. And I realize you may not be the only parent calling the shots.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:39 am

Maddy wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:58 pm
jacksonM wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:51 pm
Maddy wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:03 pm


Just curious-- Why would you "commend" her for a lifestyle that requires you to subsidize it, and that might cause her to be permanently handicapped as a result? No offense meant, but since you seem to be aware of the problem, it seems like a natural question.
Was just looking to put some positive spin on it. At least her carbon footprint is very low.

Maybe I shouldn't have been so nosy. I think there are a lot of parents in the same boat, but I suspect most are in denial about the probable consequences of enabling the delaying of adulthood. Considering your honesty and forthrightness about that risk, I guess I was hoping you could shed some light on why a parent would allow that potentially detrimental situation to persist. If you don't want to expand, that's fine. And I realize you may not be the only parent calling the shots.
Answered your question but deleted it and sent it to you as a PM.
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Post by boglerdude » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:49 pm

> deleted it and sent it to you as a PM

Lame.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Maddy » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:32 am

I"ll just say that having learned a little bit about the circumstances, I can only feel respect for Jackson's choices. 'Nuff said.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:35 pm

Here's a situation that ties together a few different threads of the zeitgeist.

A beneficial takeaway from the Kavanaugh debacle was the need to preserve rape evidence if one wants to put away rapists. I keep an eye on the European mass immigration situation.
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Evidently an 18 year old German girl was raped by up to 15 Muslims over 4 hours in Freiburg. The Polizei were able to arrest the suspects due to preserved evidence brought by the girl. All detainees were previously known to the Polizei due to earlier crimes. NPCs immediately execute "Crimes like this should not serve to condemn refugees" script. A particularly egregious NPC announced he was sick of groups like AfD "politically exploiting our grief" and scheduled his own rally, titled "My horror is no excuse for your hate."

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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:34 pm

About that evidence...
Every year since 1989, in about 25 percent of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI where results could be obtained, the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing. Specifically, FBI officials report that out of roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases since 1989, about 2,000 tests have been inconclusive, about 2,000 tests have excluded the primary suspect, and about 6,000 have "matched" or included the primary suspect... these percentages have remained constant for 7 years, and the National Institute of Justice's informal survey of private laboratories reveals a strikingly similar 26 percent exclusion rate.
- Peter Neufeld & Barry C. Scheck, co-founders of the Innocence Project
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by dualstow » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:36 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
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A particularly egregious NPC
I had to look that up the other day because I got called one. O0
So that's non-player character? Like someone who doesn't have their own opinion?
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Tyler » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:42 am

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I had to look that up the other day because I got called one. O0
So that's non-player character? Like someone who doesn't have their own opinion?
An NPC is a computer-controlled character in a game that follows a script designed to advance a particular storyline. Talk to them a few times and they simply repeat the same pre-programmed talking points. The NPC meme basically points out that many people in the real world act the same way, and in a larger sense plays on the idea that you may be one of only a handful of "live" players in some giant simulation.
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Post by dualstow » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:53 am

That's a good explanation, Tyler, thank you. I remember a non-computer idea of non-player characters from playing D&D circa 1980 -- oops, did I just say that out loud -- and it sounds similar.
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