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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by dualstow » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:40 pm

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I didn't follow the Weinstein stuff too closely, but from what I heard, he didn't exactly rape rape them; he told them he'd put them in a movie if they blew him or something along those lines. Or maybe that was just one, and the others he just asked them to, and they did it, without a threat? Correct?

I guess I could go look this up.
He rape raped some women.
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Re: Kavanaugh

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Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:17 pm

Hmm, it looks like some of the Weinstein allegations are very old too. A May 2018 article says that a grand jury is hearing evidence, I'm wondering what kind of evidence they'd have other than the women's statements, and his?
The Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus Vance, had been under enormous public pressure to bring a criminal case against Weinstein.

A grand jury has been hearing evidence in the case for weeks.

In March, Andrew Cuomo, the New York governor, took the extraordinary step of ordering the state’s attorney general to investigate whether Vance acted properly in 2015 when he decided not to prosecute Weinstein over a previous allegation of unwanted groping, made by an Italian model. That investigation is in its preliminary stages.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/m ... ct-charges
Lack of prosecutable evidence?
Prosecutors in New York City abandoned part of their sexual assault case against Harvey Weinstein on Thursday after evidence surfaced that a police detective coached a witness to stay silent about evidence that cast doubt on the account of one of his earliest accusers.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/a ... al-charge/
Mmmm.

BTW dualstow, this was the one I was referencing.
The woman also told the detective — identified by Weinstein’s lawyer as Nicholas DiGaudio — that sometime after Evans’ office meeting with Weinstein, she suggested what happened was consensual, according to the letter. Weinstein had promised to get her an acting job if she agreed to perform oral sex, and she agreed, it said.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pm

moda0306 wrote:
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On a slightly related note, Harvey Weinstein has an accuser who was 16 at the time, 16 years ago.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawsuit-alle ... 45622.html

Also somewhat related to Kavanaugh, I haven't heard from any liberal (either personally, online or in "thu mediuh") defending Weinstein or question the womens' claims simply because they either have some to potentially gain or the allegations are from several years ago or more. Maybe there have been some in Hollywood that are fans of the dude. I think I heard that Tarantino tried to defend him somewhat.

It's probably because I think people with actual leftist civic values have little real loyalty to "Hollywood," on average, and conservatives don't see this because "Hollywood" has very hammy (and perhaps often genuine) loyalty to leftist civic values.
Remembering when and where it took place does help to make it more believable.
The accuser, identified as Jane Doe, alleges that Weinstein assaulted her at his New York City apartment in 2002, just days after they'd met at an event involving her modeling agency.
I guess those couple details explain the deafening silence of would-be-librul-Weinstein-supporters, vs how'd they'd be if this woman (or others) couldn't remember the exact day or party-house... perhaps something more similar to the bombastic display by Trumpists/conservatives to feign concern for due process and smear a likely assault victim.

There are a lot of things I remember where I couldn't give you the exact day or location, but could replay you what happened almost moment by moment. But of course memories fade... and a judge who's a disaster for the 4th Amendment & due process deserves better due-process than that in his job interview for a lifetime appointment to one of the most powerful positions in the world.
I get that you think liberals are more pure of heart than Trumpists/conservatives but I really don't get your comparison between Weinstein and Kavanaugh. Other than the fact that they've both been accused of sexual misconduct what do they have in common?
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by pugchief » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:38 pm

Isn't there a statute of limitations on these accusations as far as criminal prosecution?
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:29 am

In the first article I linked to it mentions a few that are outside the statute of limitations. Which is one of the main "actionable" items that has been reinforced over the past couple months. If you want the rapists put away, don't save reporting for a distant day.
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Post by dualstow » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:09 am

Oh yeah, there is no doubt that there was also a lot of that old school sleep your way into films stuff going on. I remember Howard Stern asking him about it and Weinstein said, “I was born to late. That was in the 60s, blah blah blah.” Howard later replayed that during the inchoate phase of #metoo and said, “I just knew he was lying!” ;)

But, then the real rape allegations came to light and it wasn’t so funny anymore.
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BTW dualstow, this was the one I was referencing.
The woman also told the detective — identified by Weinstein’s lawyer as Nicholas DiGaudio — that sometime after Evans’ office meeting with Weinstein, she suggested what happened was consensual, according to the letter. Weinstein had promised to get her an acting job if she agreed to perform oral sex, and she agreed, it said.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by dualstow » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:33 am

Ladies and gentlemen, we have another recanter.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1863210002
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by stuper1 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:58 am

But certainly there is no shame in making false accusations against a man who might take away your right to kill your fetus. The God-given right that was written into the Constitution in plain English (albeit ye olde Englishe) by George Washington himself back in 1776.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:09 pm

dualstow wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:33 am
Ladies and gentlemen, we have another recanter.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1863210002
Of course she recanted. Now that the white male patriarchy is fully entrenched on the supreme court and the Nazis have complete control over all the branches of government she probably feared for her life.

(I'm learning how this game is played. When the narrative starts to collapse, double down on it. Eventually people will get so confused they won't be able to tell what's real and what isn't).
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by dualstow » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:42 pm

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@Stuper, I know it’s beside the point, but: 1787.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:52 pm

Well, that was an interesting election result.

No way to know for sure but my guess is that if it had not been for the Kavanaugh hearings, the Democrats would have probably won the senate as well as the house. Instead they actually lost 3 seats.

Normally, I don't really care all that much of late who wins elections and don't remember even voting in a midterm election before. So my advice to the Dems would be to stop motivating voters like me to go to the polls and vote a straight Republican ticket.

From what I've been hearing I doubt that is advice they are going to take.
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