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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by pugchief » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:09 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:01 pm
Metoo
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It's almost like you would need some evidence to figure this out.
;D Dude, you are on a roll!
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Post by jacksonM » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:06 am

A few more observations...

1.) On a positive/non-partisan note, I can remember a lot of these senators going all the way to back to the Bork and Thomas hearings and at my age it's nice to see octogenarians Grassley(85),Hatch(83),Feinstein(85) doing so well. I'll be joining them in about 10 more years.

2.) One of the Dems, forget which one, brought up to Kavanaugh some legal term for instructions given to juries that basically means if a witness has found to be lying in one part of their testimony it is okay to assume that none of it is true. That was obviously aimed at some lie the Dem thought Kavanaugh had told but it made me think of Ford. I thought she couldn't come to Washington in a more timely manner because she was afraid of flying. If that wasn't an outright lie, then I don't know what is.

3.) I didn't watch her testimony because I figured all you were going to see were the same charges repeated over with no new evidence but with the added impact of human emotion in front of the camera. This turned out to be true but still everyone, even Republicans, were saying that she sounded "credible". Maybe she sounded credible if you are only going by how emotional she was but looking at the things she said without the background noise I didn't find any part of her testimony credible.

4.) Apparently those on the left have decided it is a non-risky strategy to demonize "old white men". They could be right but I'm not so sure.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:22 pm

Ok, so the Dems, with the help of Jeff Flake, bought themselves another week to plot their next move.

I have no idea what it will be but I suspect it will be very entertaining.

I saw a hint of what it might be in news reports that Maryland police said they would investigate the matter if a complaint was filed. I can't see where Ms. Ford would have anything to lose by filing such a report with the help of her lawyers so this wouldn't surprise me at all. Without any verifiable evidence it will go absolutely nowhere just like the FBI investigation probably will not, but it will keep the circus going and that's the whole point.

Or maybe once the FBI investigation is done and they conclude they have no new information to add, the Dems will finally decide enough is enough.

That last sentence was a joke.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Tyler » Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:38 pm

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I saw a hint of what it might be in news reports that Maryland police said they would investigate the matter if a complaint was filed. I can't see where Ms. Ford would have anything to lose by filing such a report with the help of her lawyers so this wouldn't surprise me at all. Without any verifiable evidence it will go absolutely nowhere just like the FBI investigation probably will not, but it will keep the circus going and that's the whole point.

IMHO the Maryland police letter is being misrepresented in some places. The full letter clearly states that Dr. Ford's allegations, even if true, were misdemeanors in 1982 and the statute of limitations passed ages ago. There's no crime within their authority for the police to investigate.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by l82start » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:14 am

Victor Davis Hanson's succinct summary of Blasey Ford's testimony:

The "process" of memorializing Ford's testimony involved a strange inversion of constitutional norms: The idea of a statute of limitations is ossified; hearsay is legitimate testimony; inexact and contradictory recall is proof of trauma, and therefore of validity; the burden of proof is on the accused, not the accuser; detail and evidence are subordinated to assumed sincerity; proof that one later relates an allegation to another is considered proof that the assault actually occurred in the manner alleged; motive is largely irrelevant; the accuser establishes the guidelines of the state's investigation of the allegations; and the individual allegation gains credence by cosmic resonance with all other such similar allegations.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:58 am

  • "Kavanaugh has to prove his innocence in the court of credibility."
    - Senator Moron-o
  • Hirono also said Kavanaugh is suspect because he "doesn't even get the basics of the law," although he received a "well qualified" rating from the American Bar Association.
  • Hirono argued that the Senate has done nothing to corroborate the story and called for the FBI to investigate, even though the Senate has gotten statements from people Ford alleges were at the party in question, and none of them have backed up her story.
  • She lambasted Kavanaugh's supporters for attempting to "railroad" him onto the court, and she said "women and all the enlightened men" in the country know this is a "set-up job."
  • Hirono also argued women are in an environment where they will not come forward. She called it "appalling and unacceptable" that the FBI is not investigating, despite the fact that the alleged crime occurred in the 1980s and is not under federal jurisdiction.
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Post by Benko » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:44 am

The bigger picture is that this is just another day in the life of the "by any means necessary crowd" who have not yet hit bottom.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Don » Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:50 pm

Benko wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:44 am
The bigger picture is that this is just another day in the life of the "by any means necessary crowd" who have not yet hit bottom.
When the blue wave turns out to be a red wave will they then realize that they've hit bottom or will they just continue to pursue the same insane tactics and policies that have them on the outside looking in?
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by l82start » Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:16 pm

Don wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:50 pm
Benko wrote:
Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:44 am
The bigger picture is that this is just another day in the life of the "by any means necessary crowd" who have not yet hit bottom.
When the blue wave turns out to be a red wave will they then realize that they've hit bottom or will they just continue to pursue the same insane tactics and policies that have them on the outside looking in?
they seem to have abandoned all pretence of principal, morals, belief in the American system of justice and the laws/rules of our representative republic, so I guess the answer comes down to how many uneducated voters/useful idiots are there out there, who have never learned or acquired the basic understanding of American civics, to see this kind of dirty politics for the bold faced "grab for power at all costs, for the sake of power" that it is...
if there are enough blind willing to be led down this path to tyranny they will keep doubling down on this kind of tactic till they control all.... if not they will (hopefully) be unceremoniously replaced with a principled, moral, and educated wave of a new colour to balance the excesses of the red side of the spectrum.
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Post by Ad Orientem » Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:45 pm

A Proclamation:
It is represented to us that the universal suffrage, as now existing through the Union, is abused; that fraud and corruption prevent a fair and proper expression of the public voice; that open violation of the laws are constantly occurring, caused by mobs, parties, factions and undue influence of political sects; that the citizen has not that protection of person and property which he is entitled to by paying his pro rata of the expense of Government--in consequence of which, WE do hereby abolish Congress, and it is therefore abolished; and WE order and desire the representatives of all parties interested to appear at the Musical Hall of this city on the first of February next, and then and there take the most effective steps to remedy the evil complained of.

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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by l82start » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:00 pm

all hail emperor Norton... LOL
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:59 am

Tyler wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:38 pm
jacksonM wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:22 pm
I saw a hint of what it might be in news reports that Maryland police said they would investigate the matter if a complaint was filed. I can't see where Ms. Ford would have anything to lose by filing such a report with the help of her lawyers so this wouldn't surprise me at all. Without any verifiable evidence it will go absolutely nowhere just like the FBI investigation probably will not, but it will keep the circus going and that's the whole point.

IMHO the Maryland police letter is being misrepresented in some places. The full letter clearly states that Dr. Ford's allegations, even if true, were misdemeanors in 1982 and the statute of limitations passed ages ago. There's no crime within their authority for the police to investigate.
Well, of course the Maryland police are going to say the statute of limitations has passed. Probably another bunch of old white men.
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