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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by dualstow » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:01 pm

P.S. Andrew Sullivan can write.
And so it seems that Kavanaugh is either a perfect exemplar of judicial expertise and impeccable moral conduct, or he is a lying rapist determined to destroy and control the lives of all women. Ghomeshi is evil, and granting any space for such a monster to defend or account for himself is itself an act of oppression, which must be shamed and punished. Those appear to be our choices, ladies and gentlemen, in this particular polarization cycle. There is little nuance in these battles and absolutely no mercy for anyone unlucky enough to get caught up in their swirling vortex. This is what our culture is driving us toward, and it’s a culture where each moment of conflict galvanizes and tribalizes us still further, in what seems like an endlessly repeating loop of resentment, righteousness, and revenge
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Tyler » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:11 pm

dualstow wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:39 pm
Uh oh, 3rd accuser now.
Even if you're generally inclined to believe the accuser I think they jumped the shark on this one.

Politics sucks and leaves nothing but ruin in its wake.
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Post by Maddy » Wed Sep 26, 2018 1:27 pm

And so it seems that Kavanaugh is either a perfect exemplar of judicial expertise and impeccable moral conduct, or he is a lying rapist determined to destroy and control the lives of all women. Ghomeshi is evil, and granting any space for such a monster to defend or account for himself is itself an act of oppression, which must be shamed and punished. Those appear to be our choices, ladies and gentlemen, in this particular polarization cycle. There is little nuance in these battles and absolutely no mercy for anyone unlucky enough to get caught up in their swirling vortex. This is what our culture is driving us toward, and it’s a culture where each moment of conflict galvanizes and tribalizes us still further, in what seems like an endlessly repeating loop of resentment, righteousness, and revenge
And so it is that the democrat party either wins everything on the table or is taken down once and for all, along with every last shred of credibility it managed to hold on to. There's only one reason why a party, or a gambler, for that matter, takes those odds.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:12 pm

7 questions about the avenatti-swetnick story...

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/s ... ick-story/

I wonder if it might be possibly getting to the point that even some people with integrity on the left are going to start saying this is getting too ridiculous. But I won't hold my breath.

I think this whole fiasco is helping to show how/why Donald Trump got elected. Unlike most Republicans he seems to know that if you want to defeat the democrats you don't bring a knife to a gunfight. They play for keeps.

If the Republicans give in to these tactics and let the democrats win and choose a nominee more to their liking, then all I have to say is what good is it to vote for Republicans? I hadn't done so for about 12 years until I voted for Trump but I suspect it will be the last time ever if the Republicans can't stand up against this. Might as well let the democrats run the government because it looks like they are going to do it any way, no matter what.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:17 pm

"Senator Hirono has gone further and told half the citizenry to “shut up” solely because they are male."

LOL. No.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:41 pm

The accusations are getting more extreme as they go on: drunken teenage groping ---> sticking his dick in someone's face during drinking games in a dorm room ---> masterminding a gang-rape-gang. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary any evidence. I'm guessing if these are true they should be trivial to prove.

But...

"Unlike two other women who have accused Judge Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct, one who went to college with him and another who went to a sister high school, Ms. Swetnick offered no explanation in her statement of how she came to attend the same parties, nor did she identify other people who could verify her account." link

they're learning.

Serious questions: when it comes to your attention that a group of boys is drugging girls and gang raping them, do you generally keep that a secret? Do you keep going to parties with them? Do you not keep an eagle-fucking-eye on your drink so the gang rapists can't drug you?
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Post by Cortopassi » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:11 pm

"She claims in her declaration that Kavanugh was “verbally abusive toward girls,” was a “mean drunk” and would “spike” the “punch” at high school house parties so he and his friends could take advantage of girls. Swetnick adds that she remembers seeing Kavanaugh and other boys lined up outside a room at a party waiting for their “turn” with an inebriated girl."

As I noted in the post that started this topic, I knew a college guy who was also a mean drunk. And one time, very specifically, he and other friends were out drinking while I went to bed early (in the dorm). Sometime later that night, the door opens to laughter and something is dumped into his bed below mine. Very nearsighted, I tried to find my glasses and my eyes took in a passed out, completely naked college girl in the bed.

I have no idea what happened to her before or after. I do not recall who she was or how she got out of the room.

But I have firsthand experience with guys who are straight as a fucking arrow sober, and do weird, bad shit when they are drunk.

So now there are three. What if in a week there are a few more, and by that point they've voted him onto the court? What then? Will these politicians turn around and impeach him?

Is there a critical mass of women that change this from a vast left wing conspiracy to oh shit, maybe he did do these things?

Just asking.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:41 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:11 pm
As I noted in the post that started this topic, I knew a college guy who was also a mean drunk. And one time, very specifically, he and other friends were out drinking while I went to bed early (in the dorm). Sometime later that night, the door opens to laughter and something is dumped into his bed below mine. Very nearsighted, I tried to find my glasses and my eyes took in a passed out, completely naked college girl in the bed.

I have no idea what happened to her before or after. I do not recall who she was or how she got out of the room.

But I have firsthand experience with guys who are straight as a fucking arrow sober, and do weird, bad shit when they are drunk.
Why would you say that bad shit happened? More to the story?
So now there are three. What if in a week there are a few more, and by that point they've voted him onto the court? What then? Will these politicians turn around and impeach him?

Is there a critical mass of women that change this from a vast left wing conspiracy to oh shit, maybe he did do these things?

Just asking.
My opinion is that (if we assume the worst about all the incidents) if they wanted justice, they should have accused him right after it happened, when there was (presumably) evidence, when people had fresh memories, and when the justice system had a chance in hell of getting a rapist off the streets. I get that it can be tough for victims of sex crimes to do that, but it's necessary and moral.

I think that the #metoo trend has prepared the battlefield enough so that if you get enough women to accuse, you can bring about whatever you want. So yea, I think it's plausible that if women keep accusing him, the politicians will try, try again. Maybe one party begins asking the other which judge will be acceptable so as to avoid a Mutually Assured 'Metoo-Madness-Activated Recollection/Yarn, or MAMMARY for short.

You really didn't need more than one, provided she could prove it.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:00 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:41 pm

Why would you say that bad shit happened? More to the story?
Isn't dropping a naked passed out drunk girl into some male's dorm room bad enough shit? You think they just found her passed out AND naked?

I don't want to know. I have a daughter at college right now.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:08 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:00 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:41 pm

Why would you say that bad shit happened? More to the story?
I don't want to know. I have a daughter at college right now.
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by jacksonM » Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:11 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:41 pm
My opinion is that (if we assume the worst about all the incidents) if they wanted justice, they should have accused him right after it happened, when there was (presumably) evidence, when people had fresh memories, and when the justice system had a chance in hell of getting a rapist off the streets. I get that it can be tough for victims of sex crimes to do that, but it's necessary and moral.
According to that link I shared, she was either 18 or 19 and the boys were 15 or 16. So maybe she didn't go to the police for fear of getting charged with contributing to the delinquency of minors.

Do you know any 18 or 19 year old girls who like to party with boys who are 15 or 16? I was never much of a party animal but what I remember from when I was 18-21 is that young teenage girls in high school had the hots for older guys like me. Don't remember the other way around at all, but, maybe times have changed. And why did she keep attending for at least 10 of these parties, knowing this was happening?

Does any of this sound remotely plausible?

This lady may now have stepped in it big time. Kavanaugh probably will have no grounding to sue for defamation as a public figure and it sounds like he's not the kind of person who would do it any way. The other guy, Mr. Judge, on the other hand - maybe that's another story.

And based on what I've read there is no statute of limitation on these crimes in the state where they occurred so why not go ahead and file a police report?
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Re: Kavanaugh

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:35 pm

If any of you guys are watching the hearings today, I cannot now imagine that he won't be confirmed, after only 10 minutes of watching.

She was believable.

But so is he. Tough to watch a guy my age cry when talking about his family.
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