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Re: School Shootings

Post by hardlawjockey » Fri May 25, 2018 2:38 pm

moda0306 wrote:
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Ditto. My High School graded on the percentage scale. Highest possible was 100% which required 100% on all tests and homework, and perfect attendance in the specified class. College was on the 4.0 maximum scale.
I suppose that due to The Great Leveling, there's been a need for ever more creative ways to distinguish those students who truly have achieved something above and beyond.
Odd how for you every problem boils down to "DAMNED LIBRULS!"

To the bullying topic...

I remember the kids that bullied others in school. Most of them are Trumpers if FB is an indicator. I also remember the kindest folks. Most of them are libruls.
I'm mostly a conservative leaning libertarian, maybe a paleo-conservative in the Pat Buchanan mold, but I completely get what you are saying about the ranting against "DAMNED LBRULS". "LIBRUL" views do strike a discordant note within me so I mostly watch Foxnews but the other night I went to bed after smoking some pot which I've just gotten in the habit of after a long abstention and Hannity was on television in the living room. When you are high the guy is absolutely hilarious. If you've never tried it, I highly recommend it. Don't think I've laughed so uncontrollably in a long time. Thought I would crack a rib. Talk about a one trick pony!

There is another guy who is running for congress, apparently somewhere close to where I live, and apparently he has bought up all of the Youtube advertising time money can afford. The ad shows him to be a conservative with STRONG FAMILY VALUES, a humble belief in God (the ad shows his whole family at a picnic table, all bowing their heads in prayer to the almighty), and ready to go to Washington to take on the "LIBRUL establishment". And under no circumstances will he EVER back down from what he truly believes in.

Eventually you realize that all these clowns are nothing more than a joke.

As for libruls being the kind ones - that's another joke, sorry to say. Most of the really kind people I know, you really can't tell much about their politics.
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Re: School Shootings

Post by moda0306 » Fri May 25, 2018 2:55 pm

Maddy wrote:
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Wow, that's a telling post! Seems to me it's YOU, Moda, who just took the shoe and wore it.
Are you saying I'm engaging in bullying with that post?

Or are you saying that I'm saying I'm doing what I'm accusing you of but labeling conservatives as the culprit?
Well, first of all, I didn't say, or even imply, anything about "LIBRULS." That the public school system has been the focus of the sweeping social experiment I termed "The Great Leveling" is wholly beyond dispute. Although people may disagree about the wisdom of that effort, there isn't any doubt about the fact that the public system has gone out of its way to close the gap between high and low-achieving students, and that this effort has impaired the objectivity and usefulness of grading.

It is you who made the purely gratuitous association between that fact and liberalism. As it happens, I don't disagree with that attribution inasmuch as public education has unquestionably been the playfield of left-leaning (and in many instances FAR-left-leaning) academics with an indisputably political agenda. However, nothing in my post (or this thread) has anything to do with politics, so your kneejerk reaction said a lot more about your prejudices than mine. And then for you to make the startling, and nearly instantaneous, leap to Trumpism, and the connection between bullying and Trumpism. . . Well, I think this is what they mean by "hoist on your own petard."
"The progressive social engineers have created a generation of ferals."

Not political? What are you talking about?

My reaction wasn't knee-jerk. It was based in my basic observation that a huge number of your posts blame $hit going wrong because "the left" these days is out of control. One other big post I mostly agreed with was on bullying and how awful it is and you gave some very chilling examples. I was retorting to your very clear and constant political narrative with a pretty simple observation... that most of the bullies I knew as a kid (and now that I think of it, most of the ones I know now) tend to lean right... not left. And that most of the kindest kids grew up to be liberals. Trump is our president and subject of much of our political debate so yeah... I made the "leap" from political leanings to Trump. I guess I'll make another leap and say that the liberal friends I have mostly supported Clinton.

I agree with stuper though... there's @ssholes all over the spectrum. But bullying can hardly be labelled a "progressive social engineer" problem if it's more-heavily made-up of folks who lean right or end up leaning right as adults. Of course, we can't analyze statistics on this, so I offered my observation in-lieu of it.

But please spare me the melodrama about a political observation after your very-clearly political commentary and almost constant incessant hand-wringing about how awful "the left" is. There's plenty of awful in both parties and all wings of political thought. It's a bit rich to blame bullying on "progressive social engineers," claim you weren't being political, and then say with a straight face that I'm making "knee-jerk leaps" by observing that most bullies appear to me to be conservative.
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Re: School Shootings

Post by moda0306 » Fri May 25, 2018 3:00 pm

hardlawjockey wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 2:38 pm
moda0306 wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 12:40 pm
Maddy wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 10:38 am


I suppose that due to The Great Leveling, there's been a need for ever more creative ways to distinguish those students who truly have achieved something above and beyond.
Odd how for you every problem boils down to "DAMNED LIBRULS!"

To the bullying topic...

I remember the kids that bullied others in school. Most of them are Trumpers if FB is an indicator. I also remember the kindest folks. Most of them are libruls.
I'm mostly a conservative leaning libertarian, maybe a paleo-conservative in the Pat Buchanan mold, but I completely get what you are saying about the ranting against "DAMNED LBRULS". "LIBRUL" views do strike a discordant note within me so I mostly watch Foxnews but the other night I went to bed after smoking some pot which I've just gotten in the habit of after a long abstention and Hannity was on television in the living room at the time. When you are high the guy is absolutely hilarious. If you've never tried it, I highly recommend it. Don't think I've laughed so uncontrollably in a long time. Thought I would crack a rib. Talk about a one trick pony!

There is another guy who is running for congress, apparently somewhere close to where I live, and apparently he has bought up all of the Youtube advertising time money can afford. The ad shows him to be a conservative with strong family values, belief in God, and ready to go to Washington to take on the "LIBRUL establishment". And under no circumstances will he EVER back down from what he truly believes in.

Eventually you realize these clowns are nothing more than a joke.

As for libruls being the kind ones - that's another joke, sorry to say. Most of the really kind people I know, you really can't tell much about their politics.
That last part is pretty true. Most of the kindest people I know don't care for politics.

I wasn't trying to make nearly the pointed "gotcha" point that it may have seemed so much as countering Maddy's incessant Hannitesque complaining about "the left" being responsible for everything wrong with America.
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Re: School Shootings

Post by Maddy » Sat May 26, 2018 8:49 am

Moda, is it really necessary for you to characterize my views in such derogatory, simplistic terms? Is it possible that the consistency in my views concerning the modern social order and the evolution of political movements represents a principled stance as opposed to a mindless allegiance to a redneck pro-Trumpian agenda?

As a matter of fact, I do firmly believe that a large number of the social problems we're discussing on this forum are the result and handiwork of modern liberalism, and that it was designed that way. The "progressive" social movement that has dominated the culture of this country since the early sixties had its genesis in the American Communist Party, whose principal, unabashed objective was the complete transformation of society and the ushering in of a global totalitarian regime. Its detailed, step-by-step plan for transforming the culture and eroding the underpinnings of democracy was laid out explicitly in the literature generated by the Party, as was the insidious methodology by which its goals would be achieved. It involved, among other things, the eradication of traditional values and the promotion of a nihilistic ethic that would ultimately lead to a pervasive sense of hopelessness and helplessness, the undermining of the rule of law and the vilification of individual liberties under the guise of "social justice," the promotion of a radical egalitarian world view that would punish those who dared to better themselves, the progressive destruction of the nuclear family and the disruption of traditional social structures, the creation of a permanent underclass dependent on the central government, the fomenting of racial conflict and class warfare, the inducing of a broad narcissistic stupor through the promotion and dissemination of drugs, pornography, advertising, and ultimately technology, and the commandeering of the educational system. Modern liberalism has, by and large, embraced each and every one of these objectives and in fact has become the principal political vehicle through which the globalists continue to pursue the complete social transformation that was set in motion some 80 years ago.

So, yes, I do see modern liberalism as the source of a good number of today's social problems. It was designed to be.
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Re: School Shootings

Post by Desert » Sat May 26, 2018 10:53 am

Maddy, I think that's the saddest post I've read on this forum. It must be a pretty miserable way to live, imagining this cabal of communist globalists out to get us all. And to imagine that they are smarter and more powerful than the rest of us ... that would really wear on one's psyche over time.
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Re: School Shootings

Post by Maddy » Sat May 26, 2018 12:02 pm

The sad part, in my view, is that they've hoodwinked an entire generation of young people who are out there doing their bidding. And that the progressives who are old enough to know what's going on have traded their principles for a seat at the table. I'm old and am living the near-perfect life on a mountaintop, so what do I care if they're willing to accept speech codes and warrantless raids on their attorneys' offices in exchange for the promise of free college and sex without consequences? Except that the sociology of it all has been one of the most fascinating things I've watched during my lifetime.
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Re: School Shootings

Post by technovelist » Sat May 26, 2018 7:05 pm

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Maddy, I think that's the saddest post I've read on this forum. It must be a pretty miserable way to live, imagining this cabal of communist globalists out to get us all. And to imagine that they are smarter and more powerful than the rest of us ... that would really wear on one's psyche over time.
Yes, it's far better to pretend that they don't exist, and of course they like it much better that way!

(Note: they aren't smarter than us, but they are more powerful. That may be in jeopardy due to the unexpected advent of Trump, which is why they hate and fear him.)
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Re: School Shootings

Post by stuper1 » Sat May 26, 2018 8:10 pm

Maddy wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 8:49 am
Moda, is it really necessary for you to characterize my views in such derogatory, simplistic terms? Is it possible that the consistency in my views concerning the modern social order and the evolution of political movements represents a principled stance as opposed to a mindless allegiance to a redneck pro-Trumpian agenda?

As a matter of fact, I do firmly believe that a large number of the social problems we're discussing on this forum are the result and handiwork of modern liberalism, and that it was designed that way. The "progressive" social movement that has dominated the culture of this country since the early sixties had its genesis in the American Communist Party, whose principal, unabashed objective was the complete transformation of society and the ushering in of a global totalitarian regime. Its detailed, step-by-step plan for transforming the culture and eroding the underpinnings of democracy was laid out explicitly in the literature generated by the Party, as was the insidious methodology by which its goals would be achieved. It involved, among other things, the eradication of traditional values and the promotion of a nihilistic ethic that would ultimately lead to a pervasive sense of hopelessness and helplessness, the undermining of the rule of law and the vilification of individual liberties under the guise of "social justice," the promotion of a radical egalitarian world view that would punish those who dared to better themselves, the progressive destruction of the nuclear family and the disruption of traditional social structures, the creation of a permanent underclass dependent on the central government, the fomenting of racial conflict and class warfare, the inducing of a broad narcissistic stupor through the promotion and dissemination of drugs, pornography, advertising, and ultimately technology, and the commandeering of the educational system. Modern liberalism has, by and large, embraced each and every one of these objectives and in fact has become the principal political vehicle through which the globalists continue to pursue the complete social transformation that was set in motion some 80 years ago.

So, yes, I do see modern liberalism as the source of a good number of today's social problems. It was designed to be.
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Sat May 26, 2018 10:53 am
Maddy, I think that's the saddest post I've read on this forum. It must be a pretty miserable way to live, imagining this cabal of communist globalists out to get us all. And to imagine that they are smarter and more powerful than the rest of us ... that would really wear on one's psyche over time.
What's sad is that all of these societal ills that Maddy so aptly described are very real. If you don't think these ills are the result of the cabal, then what would you say caused them? I personally don't know about the cabal stuff, but I do believe that liberalism is definitely to blame.
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Re: School Shootings

Post by technovelist » Sat May 26, 2018 9:02 pm

stuper1 wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 8:10 pm
Maddy wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 8:49 am
Moda, is it really necessary for you to characterize my views in such derogatory, simplistic terms? Is it possible that the consistency in my views concerning the modern social order and the evolution of political movements represents a principled stance as opposed to a mindless allegiance to a redneck pro-Trumpian agenda?

As a matter of fact, I do firmly believe that a large number of the social problems we're discussing on this forum are the result and handiwork of modern liberalism, and that it was designed that way. The "progressive" social movement that has dominated the culture of this country since the early sixties had its genesis in the American Communist Party, whose principal, unabashed objective was the complete transformation of society and the ushering in of a global totalitarian regime. Its detailed, step-by-step plan for transforming the culture and eroding the underpinnings of democracy was laid out explicitly in the literature generated by the Party, as was the insidious methodology by which its goals would be achieved. It involved, among other things, the eradication of traditional values and the promotion of a nihilistic ethic that would ultimately lead to a pervasive sense of hopelessness and helplessness, the undermining of the rule of law and the vilification of individual liberties under the guise of "social justice," the promotion of a radical egalitarian world view that would punish those who dared to better themselves, the progressive destruction of the nuclear family and the disruption of traditional social structures, the creation of a permanent underclass dependent on the central government, the fomenting of racial conflict and class warfare, the inducing of a broad narcissistic stupor through the promotion and dissemination of drugs, pornography, advertising, and ultimately technology, and the commandeering of the educational system. Modern liberalism has, by and large, embraced each and every one of these objectives and in fact has become the principal political vehicle through which the globalists continue to pursue the complete social transformation that was set in motion some 80 years ago.

So, yes, I do see modern liberalism as the source of a good number of today's social problems. It was designed to be.
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Sat May 26, 2018 10:53 am
Maddy, I think that's the saddest post I've read on this forum. It must be a pretty miserable way to live, imagining this cabal of communist globalists out to get us all. And to imagine that they are smarter and more powerful than the rest of us ... that would really wear on one's psyche over time.
What's sad is that all of these societal ills that Maddy so aptly described are very real. If you don't think these ills are the result of the cabal, then what would you say caused them? I personally don't know about the cabal stuff, but I do believe that liberalism is definitely to blame.
I'm sure that all of these societal changes that were laid out in detail by the Communist Party are all totally coincidental. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously a part of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy that stopped Hillary from claiming her rightful throne!
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Re: School Shootings

Post by moda0306 » Sun May 27, 2018 6:48 am

Maddy wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 8:49 am
Moda, is it really necessary for you to characterize my views in such derogatory, simplistic terms? Is it possible that the consistency in my views concerning the modern social order and the evolution of political movements represents a principled stance as opposed to a mindless allegiance to a redneck pro-Trumpian agenda?

As a matter of fact, I do firmly believe that a large number of the social problems we're discussing on this forum are the result and handiwork of modern liberalism, and that it was designed that way. The "progressive" social movement that has dominated the culture of this country since the early sixties had its genesis in the American Communist Party, whose principal, unabashed objective was the complete transformation of society and the ushering in of a global totalitarian regime. Its detailed, step-by-step plan for transforming the culture and eroding the underpinnings of democracy was laid out explicitly in the literature generated by the Party, as was the insidious methodology by which its goals would be achieved. It involved, among other things, the eradication of traditional values and the promotion of a nihilistic ethic that would ultimately lead to a pervasive sense of hopelessness and helplessness, the undermining of the rule of law and the vilification of individual liberties under the guise of "social justice," the promotion of a radical egalitarian world view that would punish those who dared to better themselves, the progressive destruction of the nuclear family and the disruption of traditional social structures, the creation of a permanent underclass dependent on the central government, the fomenting of racial conflict and class warfare, the inducing of a broad narcissistic stupor through the promotion and dissemination of drugs, pornography, advertising, and ultimately technology, and the commandeering of the educational system. Modern liberalism has, by and large, embraced each and every one of these objectives and in fact has become the principal political vehicle through which the globalists continue to pursue the complete social transformation that was set in motion some 80 years ago.

So, yes, I do see modern liberalism as the source of a good number of today's social problems. It was designed to be.
It is no more necessary for me to describe your views in simplistic, derogatory terms as it is necessary for you to constantly describe almost every issue in those terms.

But in this case it's actually true.

Glad we got over this myth of me making knee-jerk leaps from your points to politics and directly to the point of what your partisan views actually are.

I find it interesting that you think that this conspiracy is one based in leftist communism when if anything is clear (even in some of your acknowledged views) it's international corporatism. I could pick apart the rest of your worldview but it's just not worth it. I've already debated Kshartle on proving morality and you're the "conservative" version of him. What's the saying?... I ain't got time fo that!?
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Re: School Shootings

Post by Desert » Sun May 27, 2018 7:19 am

If only life and society were that simple, and we could just pick an enemy (liberals, conservatives, etc.). Tech, it's interesting that you brought up the "vast right wing conspiracy" line, because I was thinking of exactly that line as I read Maddy's recent posts, of course substituting "left" for "right." I find this sort of conspiratorial thinking a common human weakness; it's easier than dealing with the real complexities that shape our society. This is why we have such extremism now - it's simply easier to just pick a side and treat the other side as the enemy, than it is to think through the complexities.

Both progressives and conservatives have contributed great and terrible things to our country. Progressives ended slavery, established women's right to vote, passed civil rights laws, reduced air and water pollution that was making many major cities unlivable just a few decades ago, ended child labor exploitation, improved worker safety, improved average auto mpg, improved auto safety, and on and on. They also pushed through lots of terrible things like abortion, excessive welfare state, limited free speech on college campuses, and on and on. My view is that both "sides" have intolerable weaknesses, so I can't choose a "side." I have to actually think about each issue, and try to choose individual candidates that may be best on the issues that I find most important.
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Re: School Shootings

Post by Maddy » Sun May 27, 2018 8:03 am

Moda, I've never been anything but completely forthcoming about my social and political views. The implication that you've somehow "outed" me as a conservative is bizarre. Your complaint, in fact, is that you are tired of hearing my thoughts about modern liberalism.

It seems that you're bent on finding an unacceptable partisan political motivation behind everything I say. I referred to The Great Leveling in the public educational system--a phenomenon that elicits different reactions from each side of the political aisle but the existence of which cannot be denied--and off you went. You then offered a previous comment of mine (in which I made the association between bullying in schools and the progressive educational system) as proof that my questioning of the four-point-plus GPA scale had an insidious political motivation. Interestingly, my GPA comment could just have easily been interpreted (as it apparently was by Pugchief), as expressing skepticism that the stellar GPAs being earned by the highest-achieving students represented a form of grade inflation that were not truly earned.

In this case, it appears that you were primed and ready to blow a cork.

In the end, it doesn't matter to me one iota whether my comments are classified as "political commentary," "social commentary," or "other." But it does bother me when you resort to intellectual dishonesty to make your point. Or when you spend most of your time nipping at the heels of individual posters for the perceived flaws in their views rather than making substantive contributions of your own.

So why is what I think so all-fire important to you? Is anybody stopping you from expressing your point of view?
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