The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by sophie » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:00 am

Well that's just a delight.

If a kid is interested in math and science, the best you can hope for from the US schools system is that they won't be actively discouraged (which is the treatment I got in high school). This is deeply embedded in US culture and I have no idea where it came from...maybe it is from a desire not to let any group of kids (however defined) outshine another, which is really only possible in technical subjects. With subjects like English or history, native talent doesn't really play much of a role.

If you want an explanation for why engineering schools and science graduate programs are almost entirely populated by foreign born students, you don't have far to look. Out of all the postdocs and grad students that I interact with directly, in my lab or those of collaborators, there are exactly two of American origin (one biomedical engineering, the other an MD/PhD in neuroscience). I'm also quite pleased that of my nieces who are in or applying for colleges, two are engineering majors and one is in architecture after her high school pushed her toward fine arts. Didn't take her long to figure out that would be a worthless degree.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:54 am

And it’s clear that this was concocted by liberal arts people. The history of math and science is interesting. Still, in *math* class, I suspect math majors (graduates) would prefer to just teach math.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by moda0306 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:21 am

sophie wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:00 am
Well that's just a delight.

If a kid is interested in math and science, the best you can hope for from the US schools system is that they won't be actively discouraged (which is the treatment I got in high school). This is deeply embedded in US culture and I have no idea where it came from...maybe it is from a desire not to let any group of kids (however defined) outshine another, which is really only possible in technical subjects. With subjects like English or history, native talent doesn't really play much of a role.

If you want an explanation for why engineering schools and science graduate programs are almost entirely populated by foreign born students, you don't have far to look. Out of all the postdocs and grad students that I interact with directly, in my lab or those of collaborators, there are exactly two of American origin (one biomedical engineering, the other an MD/PhD in neuroscience). I'm also quite pleased that of my nieces who are in or applying for colleges, two are engineering majors and one is in architecture after her high school pushed her toward fine arts. Didn't take her long to figure out that would be a worthless degree.
I live in MN, a pretty darn blue state... and my nephew was very encouraged in math/science, and as a freshman is taking an engineering and accounting course. Just my experience.. not trying to extrapolate to national/leftist policy.

Oh also schools have trap shooting teams now!! Which I find fantastic. We need wider, flatter enthusiasm for guns in this country. For a bunch of reasons that shouldn't exist, I think this would go a long way to dampen the "culture war."
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Mountaineer » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:32 am

moda0306 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:21 am
sophie wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:00 am
Well that's just a delight.

If a kid is interested in math and science, the best you can hope for from the US schools system is that they won't be actively discouraged (which is the treatment I got in high school). This is deeply embedded in US culture and I have no idea where it came from...maybe it is from a desire not to let any group of kids (however defined) outshine another, which is really only possible in technical subjects. With subjects like English or history, native talent doesn't really play much of a role.

If you want an explanation for why engineering schools and science graduate programs are almost entirely populated by foreign born students, you don't have far to look. Out of all the postdocs and grad students that I interact with directly, in my lab or those of collaborators, there are exactly two of American origin (one biomedical engineering, the other an MD/PhD in neuroscience). I'm also quite pleased that of my nieces who are in or applying for colleges, two are engineering majors and one is in architecture after her high school pushed her toward fine arts. Didn't take her long to figure out that would be a worthless degree.
I live in MN, a pretty darn blue state... and my nephew was very encouraged in math/science, and as a freshman is taking an engineering and accounting course. Just my experience.. not trying to extrapolate to national/leftist policy.

Oh also schools have trap shooting teams now!! Which I find fantastic. We need wider, flatter enthusiasm for guns in this country. For a bunch of reasons that shouldn't exist, I think this would go a long way to dampen the "culture war."
That is most likely true in the civil realm. For the spiritual realm, affirming that 1. everyone is accountable to a power higher than self, and, 2. there is an afterlife, would go a long way toward dampening the "culture war". Think of the lives that would be saved; murder of over half a million innocents per year in the United States might be avoided. Serious crimes of all types might decline if one believed that ones' actions have consequences, even if delayed until after physical death.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by drumminj » Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:44 am

dualstow wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:54 am
The history of math and science is interesting. Still, in *math* class, I suspect math majors (graduates) would prefer to just teach math.
My first-year college calculus class had a "history of math" extension (one hour a week in the evenings) as part of the honors program. I found it very interesting to hear how a lot of math was "invented", and the root of the problems looking to be solved.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Xan » Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:27 am

moda0306 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:21 am
Oh also schools have trap shooting teams now!! Which I find fantastic. We need wider, flatter enthusiasm for guns in this country. For a bunch of reasons that shouldn't exist, I think this would go a long way to dampen the "culture war."
That's a neat perspective I hadn't thought of. I wonder whether there are other, similar things that could make more a middle ground on other issues.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:37 pm

drumminj wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:44 am
dualstow wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:54 am
The history of math and science is interesting. Still, in *math* class, I suspect math majors (graduates) would prefer to just teach math.
My first-year college calculus class had a "history of math" extension (one hour a week in the evenings) as part of the honors program. I found it very interesting to hear how a lot of math was "invented", and the root of the problems looking to be solved.
That’s pretty cool, despite my obvious disdain for the K through 12 proposal above. I’ve read some of the history outside of school.
Even Obama called out cancel culture last week and he was derided for it.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by jacksonm2 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:00 pm

dualstow wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:37 pm
drumminj wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:44 am
dualstow wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:54 am
The history of math and science is interesting. Still, in *math* class, I suspect math majors (graduates) would prefer to just teach math.
My first-year college calculus class had a "history of math" extension (one hour a week in the evenings) as part of the honors program. I found it very interesting to hear how a lot of math was "invented", and the root of the problems looking to be solved.
That’s pretty cool, despite my obvious disdain for the K through 12 proposal above. I’ve read some of the history outside of school.
I was never good at either math or science in school and felt inferior to other students. It just seemed to challenge my brain too much.

Eventually I found one thing I was very good at and that was solving Algebraic equations. And in all humility I was VERY good at it.

This talent led to a very successful career as a software engineer, without ever having any formal degree at all. Go figure.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:57 pm

I love algebra. I’m not a software engineer but algebra was the one flavor of math that i was really good at.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:29 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:13 pm
I can't help but wonder if the zeitgeist is starting to turn on the SJWs.
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Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:26 pm
Please let it be so.
Still, I think this brushfire has a ways to burn.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:14 pm

Bravo! I have no idea who Michael Che is, but I applaud him. I’m glad Chappelle and Gervais were mentioned, as they never really stopped. So in their case it might not be pushback so much as just doing what they’ve always done.

Have you heard Ricky Gervais’ routine about visiting Bruce Jenner in a time machine? Gold.
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:29 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:13 pm
I can't help but wonder if the zeitgeist is starting to turn on the SJWs.
dualstow wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:26 pm
Please let it be so.
Still, I think this brushfire has a ways to burn.
MAYBE
Even Obama called out cancel culture last week and he was derided for it.
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