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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:16 pm
by t-bear52
flyingpylon wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:47 am
jacksonm2 wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:29 pm
I think we're reaching a point where the strategy of the far left should start to become apparent to all thinking people. It's defame, destroy, and silence anyone who disagrees with them and truth be damned.
It's often referred to as "Cancel Culture".
The key words are "thinking people". I don't have much faith in the majority being "thinking people" these days. It's Sad!

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:21 pm
by I Shrugged
At an LGBQT event, Beto was asked if he would support removal of tax-exempt status for religious institutions which are anti-gay. His answer, "Yes".

He is the gift that keeps on giving. I hope he does well in an early primary, so more people can hear him on the news.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:06 pm
by dualstow
Seattle Schools Lead Controversial Push to 'Rehumanize' Math
The Seattle school district is planning to infuse all K-12 math classes with ethnic-studies questions that encourage students to explore how math has been “appropriated” by Western culture and used in systems of power and oppression, a controversial move that puts the district at the forefront of a movement to “rehumanize” math.

The district’s proposed framework outlines strands of discussion that teachers should incorporate into their classes. One leads students into exploring math’s roots “in the ancient histories of people and empires of color.” Another asks how math and science have been used to oppress and marginalize people of color, and who holds power in a math classroom.

——
We’re #1
In Math. Not.
:P
https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2019 ... anize.html

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:24 pm
by dualstow
P.S. Below a facile defense by someone called iconoklast, there is a very good (IMO) comment from redditor nainahg. It begins thusly:
I’m from an African country that used to be a British colony. Because I was interested in maths while growing up I read the Men of Mathematics, like a lot of like minded people in English speaking countries. I thought of them as my heroes and had no problem growing up wanting to be like them. Never once did the thought occur to me that I couldn’t be a mathematician. It was only in uni that for the first time some people — almost always white — made me notice that those men were not like ‘my people’. Whatever my beliefs were then, this is something I completely reject now.
Euler, Poincare etc are in reality more *my* people than they are of *those* white people, invariably from humanities departments who are suspicious and resentful of science and math. The only thing that connects them is skin colour while what connects me is something much deeper. What is worse is they mistake the expression of their own ignorance and possibly white hot self-hate as some kind of sophisticated insight.
https://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/ ... l_push_to/

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:33 pm
by Maddy
Phase 1: Integrate all ethnicities and economic strata within school districts, giving all an equal opportunity to succeed. Result: Smart, motivated kids still did better.

Phase 2: Move lower-achieving students to the head of the line, giving them artificially-created opportunities to succeed that other students don't have. Result: Smart, motivated kids still did better.

Phase 3: Give extra points to traditionally disadvantaged students to make up for their lack of advantage. Result: Smart, motivated kids still did better.

Phase 4: Rig the tests so that lower-achieving students appear to do as well as their peers. Result: Smart, motivated kids still did better.

Phase 5: Dumb down the curriculum to make achievement equally possible for everyone. Result: Smart, motivated kids still did better.

Phase 6: Abandon the curriculum entirely.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:00 am
by sophie
Well that's just a delight.

If a kid is interested in math and science, the best you can hope for from the US schools system is that they won't be actively discouraged (which is the treatment I got in high school). This is deeply embedded in US culture and I have no idea where it came from...maybe it is from a desire not to let any group of kids (however defined) outshine another, which is really only possible in technical subjects. With subjects like English or history, native talent doesn't really play much of a role.

If you want an explanation for why engineering schools and science graduate programs are almost entirely populated by foreign born students, you don't have far to look. Out of all the postdocs and grad students that I interact with directly, in my lab or those of collaborators, there are exactly two of American origin (one biomedical engineering, the other an MD/PhD in neuroscience). I'm also quite pleased that of my nieces who are in or applying for colleges, two are engineering majors and one is in architecture after her high school pushed her toward fine arts. Didn't take her long to figure out that would be a worthless degree.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:54 am
by dualstow
And it’s clear that this was concocted by liberal arts people. The history of math and science is interesting. Still, in *math* class, I suspect math majors (graduates) would prefer to just teach math.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:21 am
by moda0306
sophie wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:00 am
Well that's just a delight.

If a kid is interested in math and science, the best you can hope for from the US schools system is that they won't be actively discouraged (which is the treatment I got in high school). This is deeply embedded in US culture and I have no idea where it came from...maybe it is from a desire not to let any group of kids (however defined) outshine another, which is really only possible in technical subjects. With subjects like English or history, native talent doesn't really play much of a role.

If you want an explanation for why engineering schools and science graduate programs are almost entirely populated by foreign born students, you don't have far to look. Out of all the postdocs and grad students that I interact with directly, in my lab or those of collaborators, there are exactly two of American origin (one biomedical engineering, the other an MD/PhD in neuroscience). I'm also quite pleased that of my nieces who are in or applying for colleges, two are engineering majors and one is in architecture after her high school pushed her toward fine arts. Didn't take her long to figure out that would be a worthless degree.
I live in MN, a pretty darn blue state... and my nephew was very encouraged in math/science, and as a freshman is taking an engineering and accounting course. Just my experience.. not trying to extrapolate to national/leftist policy.

Oh also schools have trap shooting teams now!! Which I find fantastic. We need wider, flatter enthusiasm for guns in this country. For a bunch of reasons that shouldn't exist, I think this would go a long way to dampen the "culture war."

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:32 am
by Mountaineer
moda0306 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:21 am
sophie wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:00 am
Well that's just a delight.

If a kid is interested in math and science, the best you can hope for from the US schools system is that they won't be actively discouraged (which is the treatment I got in high school). This is deeply embedded in US culture and I have no idea where it came from...maybe it is from a desire not to let any group of kids (however defined) outshine another, which is really only possible in technical subjects. With subjects like English or history, native talent doesn't really play much of a role.

If you want an explanation for why engineering schools and science graduate programs are almost entirely populated by foreign born students, you don't have far to look. Out of all the postdocs and grad students that I interact with directly, in my lab or those of collaborators, there are exactly two of American origin (one biomedical engineering, the other an MD/PhD in neuroscience). I'm also quite pleased that of my nieces who are in or applying for colleges, two are engineering majors and one is in architecture after her high school pushed her toward fine arts. Didn't take her long to figure out that would be a worthless degree.
I live in MN, a pretty darn blue state... and my nephew was very encouraged in math/science, and as a freshman is taking an engineering and accounting course. Just my experience.. not trying to extrapolate to national/leftist policy.

Oh also schools have trap shooting teams now!! Which I find fantastic. We need wider, flatter enthusiasm for guns in this country. For a bunch of reasons that shouldn't exist, I think this would go a long way to dampen the "culture war."
That is most likely true in the civil realm. For the spiritual realm, affirming that 1. everyone is accountable to a power higher than self, and, 2. there is an afterlife, would go a long way toward dampening the "culture war". Think of the lives that would be saved; murder of over half a million innocents per year in the United States might be avoided. Serious crimes of all types might decline if one believed that ones' actions have consequences, even if delayed until after physical death.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:44 am
by drumminj
dualstow wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:54 am
The history of math and science is interesting. Still, in *math* class, I suspect math majors (graduates) would prefer to just teach math.
My first-year college calculus class had a "history of math" extension (one hour a week in the evenings) as part of the honors program. I found it very interesting to hear how a lot of math was "invented", and the root of the problems looking to be solved.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:27 am
by Xan
moda0306 wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:21 am
Oh also schools have trap shooting teams now!! Which I find fantastic. We need wider, flatter enthusiasm for guns in this country. For a bunch of reasons that shouldn't exist, I think this would go a long way to dampen the "culture war."
That's a neat perspective I hadn't thought of. I wonder whether there are other, similar things that could make more a middle ground on other issues.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:37 pm
by dualstow
drumminj wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:44 am
dualstow wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:54 am
The history of math and science is interesting. Still, in *math* class, I suspect math majors (graduates) would prefer to just teach math.
My first-year college calculus class had a "history of math" extension (one hour a week in the evenings) as part of the honors program. I found it very interesting to hear how a lot of math was "invented", and the root of the problems looking to be solved.
That’s pretty cool, despite my obvious disdain for the K through 12 proposal above. I’ve read some of the history outside of school.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:00 pm
by jacksonm2
dualstow wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:37 pm
drumminj wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:44 am
dualstow wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:54 am
The history of math and science is interesting. Still, in *math* class, I suspect math majors (graduates) would prefer to just teach math.
My first-year college calculus class had a "history of math" extension (one hour a week in the evenings) as part of the honors program. I found it very interesting to hear how a lot of math was "invented", and the root of the problems looking to be solved.
That’s pretty cool, despite my obvious disdain for the K through 12 proposal above. I’ve read some of the history outside of school.
I was never good at either math or science in school and felt inferior to other students. It just seemed to challenge my brain too much.

Eventually I found one thing I was very good at and that was solving Algebraic equations. And in all humility I was VERY good at it.

This talent led to a very successful career as a software engineer, without ever having any formal degree at all. Go figure.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:57 pm
by dualstow
I love algebra. I’m not a software engineer but algebra was the one flavor of math that i was really good at.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:29 pm
by Kriegsspiel
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:13 pm
I can't help but wonder if the zeitgeist is starting to turn on the SJWs.
dualstow wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:26 pm
Please let it be so.
Still, I think this brushfire has a ways to burn.
MAYBE

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:14 pm
by dualstow
Bravo! I have no idea who Michael Che is, but I applaud him. I’m glad Chappelle and Gervais were mentioned, as they never really stopped. So in their case it might not be pushback so much as just doing what they’ve always done.

Have you heard Ricky Gervais’ routine about visiting Bruce Jenner in a time machine? Gold.
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:29 pm
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:13 pm
I can't help but wonder if the zeitgeist is starting to turn on the SJWs.
dualstow wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:26 pm
Please let it be so.
Still, I think this brushfire has a ways to burn.
MAYBE

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:15 am
by sophie
Oh my lord....please tell me this is a joke.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/perspect ... index.html
As president, I will establish a Department of the Attention Economy that will work with tech companies and implement regulations that curb the negative effects of smartphones and social media.
-- Andrew Yang

More bureaucracy! Yay!

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:19 pm
by Kriegsspiel
Los Angeles Democratic Mayor Eric Garcetti and other city leaders recently broke ground on a permanent supportive housing complex that will use stacked shipping containers to house formerly homeless people.
. . .
The audit determined that more than 1,000 units of housing approved through the measure could exceed $600,000 apiece, partly due to“the high level of soft costs,” which “indicates that developers are spending large amounts on non-construction activities such as fees, consultants, and financing costs.”
link

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:08 am
by dualstow
Not the Onion -

Oberlin College Students Erect Memorial to Palestinian Islamic Jihad Terrorists

https://www.algemeiner.com/2019/11/24/o ... errorists/
... does not accord with casualty tolls shared by international observers and the involved parties, including those in the Gaza Strip, which largely acknowledge that a majority of fatalities were members of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, an Iranian-backed terrorist organization that is blacklisted by the United States, European Union, and others.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:13 pm
by Kriegsspiel
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:05 am
I didn't intend to imply that I agreed with the tweet (I didn't read it), just wanted to share the video. I don't know about banning masks and "criminalizing" Antifa, but governments have a responsibility to protect their citizens. Antifa, especially in Portland, is blocking streets, intimidating people, and assaulting them.
Citizen fights back.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:54 pm
by dualstow
Hah, i saw that the other day. Scary and yet somewhat satisfying at the same time.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:01 am
by dualstow
An NPR reporter used "Latinx" as if it's in the dictionary and not a totally made-up word to satisfy the P.C. police.
If you can't say Latino, maybe use Latin.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:28 am
by Xan
dualstow wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:01 am
An NPR reporter used "Latinx" as if it's in the dictionary and not a totally made-up word to satisfy the P.C. police.
If you can't say Latino, maybe use Latin.
How is that pronounced out loud? Does it sound like "lynx" or like "DirectX"?

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:57 am
by dualstow
The latter. Latin-ex. I had wondered myself until yesterday, only having seen this aberration in written form.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:11 pm
by dualstow
MangoMan wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:42 pm
dualstow wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:57 am
The latter. Latin-ex. I had wondered myself until yesterday, only having seen this aberration in written form.
And what exactly is the meaning of Latinx vs Latino? And why can't you say Latino? Is that now the "L" word or something? Jeez, I can't keep up with all of the PC nonsense. :P
Anyone care to guess? O0 Try to think crazy.