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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:30 pm
by Maddy
Are there ANY classical liberals left? You know, the kind that believe in individual liberties? If so, where are they hiding, and why have they chosen to be silent in the face of all this goofiness?

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:02 pm
by dualstow
I think they’re out there, perhaps drowned out by the louder and more extreme voices. And getting beaten up by antifa.

mountaineer: definitely self-devour. O0
Antifa & autophagy..

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:57 pm
by dualstow
a follow up
EDIT: { I removed it. I guess it's kind of boring }
(I should mention Andy’s a little bit of a slow talker now. Might want to change settings -> speed)
I guess Bret would fall under sane liberal, the kind Maddy is looking for.
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:09 am
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/11 ... 9827356672

Video of brave and righteous ANTIFA mob in Portland take turns throwing cement milkshakes and assaulting a journalist.

They estimate over 95% of Independents and Republicans will switch their vote away from Trump next year after seeing these heroes courageously stand up to this racist/supremacist/etc.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:05 am
by Kriegsspiel
moda0306 wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:04 pm
I’m no fan of Antifa, but I find it telling that the guy whose twitter feed you posted made his first point to say 1) Ban face masks and 2) Criminalize Antifa.

State violence in the form of trying to ban expression and criminalize group membership is far and away more dangerous than these Leninist fuckheads could ever dream to be. I’m far more nervous of ideas like that taking hold than radical leftists doing more of what they’ve done for a couple centuries.
I didn't intend to imply that I agreed with the tweet (I didn't read it), just wanted to share the video. I don't know about banning masks and "criminalizing" Antifa, but governments have a responsibility to protect their citizens. Antifa, especially in Portland, is blocking streets, intimidating people, and assaulting them.

It looks like the Portland police have arrested 3 people, which is good, but you can see on video a lot more than 3 people assaulted these people. I'm no lawyer, but what about if Ngo or the 80 year old dude died. Is everyone who hit them or threw things at them an accomplice to manslaughter or murder?

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:43 pm
by jacksonM
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:05 am
moda0306 wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:04 pm
I’m no fan of Antifa, but I find it telling that the guy whose twitter feed you posted made his first point to say 1) Ban face masks and 2) Criminalize Antifa.

State violence in the form of trying to ban expression and criminalize group membership is far and away more dangerous than these Leninist fuckheads could ever dream to be. I’m far more nervous of ideas like that taking hold than radical leftists doing more of what they’ve done for a couple centuries.
I didn't intend to imply that I agreed with the tweet (I didn't read it), just wanted to share the video. I don't know about banning masks and "criminalizing" Antifa, but governments have a responsibility to protect their citizens. Antifa, especially in Portland, is blocking streets, intimidating people, and assaulting them.

It looks like the Portland police have arrested 3 people, which is good, but you can see on video a lot more than 3 people assaulted these people. I'm no lawyer, but what about if Ngo or the 80 year old dude died. Is everyone who hit them or threw things at them an accomplice to manslaughter or murder?
I think the banning of face masks at public demonstrations is a very good idea and there are a lot of cities that have ordinances like this. I don't know if there has ever been a supreme court challenge but I doubt they would find that the first amendment guarantees anonymity to go along with your freedom of expression, especially in a public demonstration, and more especially when it's a cloak for violence. If you want to be anonymous, in my opinion, stick to twitter and facebook and stay away from sticks and stones that can break men's bones.

As for criminalizing Antifa I think that is mostly up to them. If they are going to continue with violent assaults against others who are exercising their own rights to free speech (without cowardly anonymity, BTW) then they ought to be designated as a terrorist organization and treated accordingly.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:23 pm
by Maddy
Shall we also ban face masks for bank robbers?

My point is this: If your intent is to enforce the law, as opposed to continually standing down, it doesn't matter one hoot whether the perp is wearing a face mask or not. The jail strip search pretty much bares all.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:57 pm
by jacksonM
Maddy wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:23 pm
Shall we also ban face masks for bank robbers?

My point is this: If your intent is to enforce the law, as opposed to continually standing down, it doesn't matter one hoot whether the perp is wearing a face mask or not. The jail strip search pretty much bares all.
A ban on masks for bank robbers probably wouldn't have any deterrent effect but it might on an Antifa member at a public demonstration. Even if the police aren't going to do anything to stop it, the fact that the person can be identified means they can at least be arrested later and/or sued.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:22 pm
by dualstow
Municipal Speech Enforcement
“Gendered language like ‘manhole’ will soon be banned from Berkeley’s city codes,” CNN, July 18
Source:https://www.wsj.com/articles/conversati ... opin_pos_1

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:07 pm
by Xan
dualstow wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:22 pm
Municipal Speech Enforcement
“Gendered language like ‘manhole’ will soon be banned from Berkeley’s city codes,” CNN, July 18
Source:https://www.wsj.com/articles/conversati ... opin_pos_1
I guess "personhole" kind of works. What's the "non-gendered" version of "midwife"? Mid-person?

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:55 pm
by dualstow
O0 The etymology of mid- in this case is ‘with’, like German mit, so that would work. However, mid-person sounds like non-gendered, period. Haha
Xan wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:07 pm
dualstow wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:22 pm
Municipal Speech Enforcement
“Gendered language like ‘manhole’ will soon be banned from Berkeley’s city codes,” CNN, July 18
Source:https://www.wsj.com/articles/conversati ... opin_pos_1
I guess "personhole" kind of works. What's the "non-gendered" version of "midwife"? Mid-person?

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:17 pm
by Xan
dualstow wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:55 pm
O0 The etymology of mid- in this case is ‘with’, like German mit, so that would work. However, mid-person sounds like non-gendered, period. Haha
Another weird one is "fishwife". A "fish-person" sounds like a character from a bad sci-fi movie.

Edit: Oh! And what should we call maid service? "Unmarried person service"? Kinky.

Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:14 pm
by dualstow
fishwife, I had to look that up. What an interesting word!