The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Mountaineer » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:00 am

Linked is an interesting and disturbing article. Let's hope the left just "eats itself" and not everyone.

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/americas ... i=66953632

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Six years ago I wrote a book about Barack Obama in which I predicted that modern American liberalism, under pressures both fiscal and philosophical, would either go out of business or be forced to radicalize. If it chose the latter, I predicted, it could radicalize along two lines: towards socialism or towards an increasingly post-modern form of leadership. Today it is doing both. As we saw in Bernie Sanders’ campaign, the youngest generation of liberals is embracing socialism openly—something that would have been unheard of during the Cold War. At the same time, identity politics is on the ascendant, with its quasi-Nietzschean faith in race, sex, and power as the keys to being and meaning. In the #MeToo movement, for example—as we saw recently in Justice Kavanaugh’s confirmation battle—the credo is, “Believe the woman.” In other words, truth will emerge not from an adversarial process weighing evidence and testimony before the bar of reason, but from yielding to the will of the more politically correct. “Her truth” is stronger than any objective or disinterested truth.

In the Claremont Review of Books, we have described our current political scene as a cold civil war. A cold civil war is better than a hot civil war, but it is not a good situation for a country to be in. Underlying our cold civil war is the fact that America is torn increasingly between two rival constitutions, two cultures, two ways of life.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Maddy » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:13 am

I've never been sure what is meant by "post-modernism," so I looked it up:
Postmodernism, also spelled post-modernism, in Western philosophy, a late 20th-century movement characterized by broad skepticism, subjectivism, or relativism; a general suspicion of reason; and an acute sensitivity to the role of ideology in asserting and maintaining political and economic power.
(From the on-line Encyclopedia Brittanica)

Isn't this precisely the agenda of "cultural shaping" that was laid out by political theorist Cleon Skousen in his 1958 book "The Naked Communist?" It was not proposed as a viable form of governance or even a legitimate cultural phenomenon, but rather as a tool for undermining and dismantling a culture and system of government.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by sophie » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:47 am

I used to think of the left as being kinder to individuals, while Republicans were cold-hearted corporate shills. The Left recognized that people can have misfortunes e.g. they can get sick or get into accidents, and that the measure of a person is not the extent to which they can avoid these things. They also advocated treating people fairly regardless of social class or physical characteristics. Like, treat women with basic respect in the workplace, don't beat up gay people for being gay, and don't lynch black people or treat them as if they were cattle. Republicans, on the other hand, seemed to be about letting people starve and throwing Grandma into the snow headfirst, in order to preserve corporate profits. Onto this was added a layer of religious fundamentalism entwined with an overtone of bigotry that I found scary not to mention a major threat to the Constitution's religious liberty guarantee.

Maybe this was wrong-headed, but it was a fairly widespread perception. Now, those admirable liberal positions have morphed into something that feels completely sinister to me. Now it's about elevating certain groups to the level of hero-worship and from this, having carte blanche to destroy people, careers, and public institutions. Even worse is the idea of legislating or discriminating based on thoughts and opinions. Maybe it was always this way and it's just gotten harder core so that I finally noticed this dark side.

The extreme quality of this platform as it is now is bound to create serious divides. I don't think it's a civil war "between Constitutions" so much as an outright attack on society and government that you are either going to be for (if you are still living with the perception of the Democratic Party that I used to have) or against (if you've picked up on that dark side). Not picking up on the dark side is rather understandable given the role of the press in pushing that extreme agenda. If it weren't for that, I suspect there would be a lot more people in the "against" column.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Maddy » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:59 am

It's a painful stretch to call this a "civil war." In fact it's about as goofy as calling a two-year-old's tantrum a family crisis.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:00 pm

Sophie, I think your perception in the first paragraph was truly accurate in its time.
I suppose everything gets corrupted and falls apart eventually.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by jacksonM » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:45 pm

sophie wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:47 am
I used to think of the left as being kinder to individuals, while Republicans were cold-hearted corporate shills. The Left recognized that people can have misfortunes e.g. they can get sick or get into accidents, and that the measure of a person is not the extent to which they can avoid these things. They also advocated treating people fairly regardless of social class or physical characteristics. Like, treat women with basic respect in the workplace, don't beat up gay people for being gay, and don't lynch black people or treat them as if they were cattle. Republicans, on the other hand, seemed to be about letting people starve and throwing Grandma into the snow headfirst, in order to preserve corporate profits. Onto this was added a layer of religious fundamentalism entwined with an overtone of bigotry that I found scary not to mention a major threat to the Constitution's religious liberty guarantee.

Maybe this was wrong-headed, but it was a fairly widespread perception. Now, those admirable liberal positions have morphed into something that feels completely sinister to me. Now it's about elevating certain groups to the level of hero-worship and from this, having carte blanche to destroy people, careers, and public institutions. Even worse is the idea of legislating or discriminating based on thoughts and opinions. Maybe it was always this way and it's just gotten harder core so that I finally noticed this dark side.

The extreme quality of this platform as it is now is bound to create serious divides. I don't think it's a civil war "between Constitutions" so much as an outright attack on society and government that you are either going to be for (if you are still living with the perception of the Democratic Party that I used to have) or against (if you've picked up on that dark side). Not picking up on the dark side is rather understandable given the role of the press in pushing that extreme agenda. If it weren't for that, I suspect there would be a lot more people in the "against" column.
And I used to think of Democrats as abortion loving, freedom hating, supreme court nominee smearing, leave a woman to drown in a car and get away with it, hypocrites.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:40 am

Great article on extremists on the left and how they just don’t listen anymore. No debate.

https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/psycho ... hostility/
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Whats the problem with abortion?
We’ve got at least one heated thread on that. O0

Here’s one - viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6457
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by jacksonM » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:40 am

Sorry to have brought up the subject of abortion.

What I was trying to say in my post about Democrats is that for years I voted the way Sophie did, just from the opposite end of the spectrum. It wasn't so much that I favored Republicans but that Democrats disgusted me. Learned my lesson in 2000 when I voted against Gore and look what we got instead. One thing I liked about Trump was his audacity in calling GWB a disaster, something most Republicans don't want to admit. Eventually I became just as disgusted with Republicans, but not for Sophie's reasons. Though I didn't vote either for or against Kerry or Obama, it was hard to imagine them doing more harm to the country than a second Bush term or McCain or Romney.

Voted against Clinton and for Trump in 2016 and I still think that was probably a good choice although Trump is turning into a big disappointment. His non-interventionist talk about not being the policeman of the world, disbanding NATO, etc, is turning out to be as much of a farce as Bush's "Humble foreign policy". Unfortunately, I think Clinton would have been even worse. And as for the key issue of immigration, the Republicans have had complete control of the government now for two years so do you think they are actually going to ever do anything about it except to use it as a campaign issue in 2020 after the Democrats win the house next week?

But meanwhile, back to current events ....

What's going to happen on the border when/if the migrant caravan arrive? Who is paying for them? How will it affect the election?

Who is sending those pipe bombs? Is it a false flag operation? (I see they just caught him so everyone will be waiting to find out what his motivation was).

If the Dems take the house will Trump be impeached?

Was watching the new season of "The Man in the High Castle" last night when it occurred to me that our current "real world" is getting to be just as interesting as a fictional TV show. And I mean "interesting" in the Chinese proverb way.

Personally, I would prefer things to be a little more boring.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:09 pm

jacksonM wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:40 am
Who is sending those pipe bombs? Is it a false flag operation? (I see they just caught him so everyone will be waiting to find out what his motivation was).
Just as I suspected.

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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by dualstow » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:38 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:09 pm
Just as I suspected.

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O0 I just laughed out loud, startling the missus.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by sophie » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:48 am

Remember the Good Old Days when the real news was dull, and people secretly enjoyed picking up the National Enquirer on the grocery store checkout line to read about alien bugs the size of Volkswagens invading Delaware?

I haven't seen the Enquirer in a long time, but I don't need it now that the "real" news organizations read just like this.

Also jacksonM...how could I forgotten about the Iraq War debacle!!! That was another major Republican feature/bug: a fundamental inability to identify the difference between reality and "spin". That's apparently now shifted to the Democrats.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by jacksonM » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:46 am

Scary thought of the day....

Given Newton's third law, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, what will be the effect of the pipe bomb incident on the psyches of those on the far left?
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