MangoMan wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:48 am
vnatale wrote: ↑Wed Mar 09, 2022 9:20 am
jalanlong wrote: ↑Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:47 am
vnatale wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:00 pm
jalanlong wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:55 pm
MangoMan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:19 pm
How about don't force people to do
anything that doesn't harm others? WTF, adults can decide for themselves if they want to wear a helmet or not.
But if there are no helmet mandates then people will all go without helmets, overwhelm the hospitals and then people with real illnesses will not be able to get care because of all the selfish people taking up ER beds. Next thing you know we are all locked in our homes for "14 days."
I always wanted to wear seat belts but never could motivate myself to do so. Once it became the law I became 100%. Now when I get out of my car to go to my mail box across from my driveway that seat belt goes right back on to just drive across the street into my driveway.
Yes, I could have already done it on my own. But I had NEVER once prior done it. The law resulted in a super great habit for my life.
Would you be in favor of a law that mandated that you had to eat a certain amount of vegetables, fruits, fiber etc. each day? Or a limit to how much sugar you could eat? How about mandatory exercise?
I envision we all live in a world like the old Prisoner tv series where people watch us 24/7 and a voice comes thru your house speaker each day instructing you that is is time to do your daily exercises and if you slack off they yell at you thru the speaker...then they tell you the car is here to take you to the mess hall to eat the food they have prepared.
Once you agree to the thought that government has a duty to keep you safe from your own choices then you have lost the true meaning of individual freedom and you have opened a Pandora's box that has no limits. See the residents of 2 blocks in Melbourne who were forbidden to leave their apartments for 14 days after 1 resident in an apartment building tested positive for Covid.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/worl ... kdown.html
I can play the same game that so far two of you have played. Would you be in favor of anyone of any age being able drive a car with no age limits and no licensing requirements, including passing a driving test?
Your statement does not meet my qualification.
Your qualification includes allowing all others in your car - both unrelated adults and children in their car to make their own seat belt decisions? I know you specified adults but if it is an unrelated child in your car and you are exercising your freedom to not wear a seat belt how do you rationally explain to the child why the child has to wear one?
Getting back to the adults. You'd not feel a shred of guilt if you were the driver involved in an accident wherein the other adults in your car were severely injured when they would have suffered much less if they had been wearing a seat belt?
The fact that the seat belt laws were passed so relatively quickly across the entire company without any form of mass rebellion tells me that the majority of the country believes it to be a reasonable law. The same way we have reasonable laws regarding licensing and speed limits.
I resist any attempt for the "freedom" lovers to turn this into a freedom issue.
It's just a form of having a rigid ideology and trying to fit too many things into it at too many turns.