The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:00 pm

(not)Oddly, I can't tell if the video will be taken down because of self-incriminating, or left up for all to see, proudly. IIRC Portland has long ceded control to Antifa. Sad! 8)
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Post by dualstow » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:07 pm

Astronaut Scott Kelly attacked for quoting Winston Churchill
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-45789819

(He later buckled and apologized, to avoid the Internet mob I guess).

more:
https://youtu.be/CChtFZl5NR0
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:30 pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... apist.html
Somali man whose deportation from the UK was stopped by plane passengers gang raped a 16-year-old girl in London and his accomplice went on to fight for ISIS

A Somalian whose deportation from Britain was dramatically halted after airline passengers staged a mutiny demanding his release can be exposed today as a convicted gang rapist who was being kicked out of the country because of his sickening crime.

Officials escorting Yaqub Ahmed on a flight from Heathrow to Turkey were forced to abandon his deportation when around a dozen holidaymakers who felt sorry for him angrily intervened shortly before take-off.
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Post by dualstow » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:52 pm

The article doesn't say what happens next. Rebooking?
"The Daily Mail can now report..."
Were his escorts not allowed to announce that he was a convicted rapist?
I know, they shouldn't have to, but still.
Crazy.
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:44 pm

"Ahmed is now believed to be in an immigration detention centre while officials try to place him on another flight out of the UK, but this process could take months particularly if his lawyers use his temporary reprieve as an opportunity to appeal against his deportation."
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Post by dualstow » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:39 pm

Ah, ok. Missed that.
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:44 pm

Ohio U LGTBQ+7RI student receives death threat letter, makes speech at Student Senate.

beat

Just a hoax, ya'll! Xir wrote them xirself! Xir was just lying for the attention and spotlight, opportunity to grandstand, chance to vent xir rage1, and receive hugs. Athens was pretty left-wing back in saner days, when I attended, so this is not surprising.

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Ayers also addressed the writer of the note directly, saying she hoped that person was in the room. She called that person weak, cowardly and worthless.

“You may find me revolting and worthy of a threat on my life, but in reality, it is your beliefs that are repulsive,” Ayers said. “You need to get this through your head, you f---ing a--hole: I am proud to be who I am, and nothing you could say or do will ever change that.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Post by dualstow » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:43 pm

🙄

How about this one, kriegs
the trolling trio wondered, they write, if a journal might even "publish a feminist rewrite of a chapter from Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf." Yup. "
I originally read about these amazing hoax publications in the WSJ, but there’s someinfo here.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/Sokal ... uge/244714
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Post by dualstow » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:56 pm

Re: the above, I can’t resist a few vignettes from the wsj:
One of the trio’s hoax papers, published in April by the journal Fat Studies, claimed bodybuilding is “fat-exclusionary” and proposed “a new classification . . . termed fat bodybuilding, as a fat-inclusive politicized performance.” Editor Esther Rothblum said the paper had gone through peer review
One hoax paper, submitted to Hypatia, proposed a teaching method centered on “experiential reparations.” It suggested that professors rate students’ levels of oppression based on race, gender, class and other identity categories. Students deemed “privileged” would be kept from commenting in class, interrupted when they did speak, and “invited” to “sit on the floor” or “to wear (light) chains around their shoulders, wrists or ankles for the duration of the course.”
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Post by Libertarian666 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:54 pm

dualstow wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:56 pm
Re: the above, I can’t resist a few vignettes from the wsj:
One of the trio’s hoax papers, published in April by the journal Fat Studies, claimed bodybuilding is “fat-exclusionary” and proposed “a new classification . . . termed fat bodybuilding, as a fat-inclusive politicized performance.” Editor Esther Rothblum said the paper had gone through peer review
One hoax paper, submitted to Hypatia, proposed a teaching method centered on “experiential reparations.” It suggested that professors rate students’ levels of oppression based on race, gender, class and other identity categories. Students deemed “privileged” would be kept from commenting in class, interrupted when they did speak, and “invited” to “sit on the floor” or “to wear (light) chains around their shoulders, wrists or ankles for the duration of the course.”
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I read somewhere that the latter hoax paper was criticized by the journal it was sent to for being insufficiently harsh on those students.
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Post by dualstow » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:11 pm

Well that's perfect!
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Post by I Shrugged » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:40 pm

This is an oldie but goodie (2014):

Woman enters a restaurant and shrieks at non-vegan diners, imploring them to consider the feelings of her chicken, Snow.
I heard this played on the radio the other day, so I looked it up. What I'd like to know is, how does she feel about abortion?? Would not that be interesting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMwjK9W7btA
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Post by Mountaineer » Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:00 am

Linked is an interesting and disturbing article. Let's hope the left just "eats itself" and not everyone.

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/americas ... i=66953632

An excerpt:
Six years ago I wrote a book about Barack Obama in which I predicted that modern American liberalism, under pressures both fiscal and philosophical, would either go out of business or be forced to radicalize. If it chose the latter, I predicted, it could radicalize along two lines: towards socialism or towards an increasingly post-modern form of leadership. Today it is doing both. As we saw in Bernie Sanders’ campaign, the youngest generation of liberals is embracing socialism openly—something that would have been unheard of during the Cold War. At the same time, identity politics is on the ascendant, with its quasi-Nietzschean faith in race, sex, and power as the keys to being and meaning. In the #MeToo movement, for example—as we saw recently in Justice Kavanaugh’s confirmation battle—the credo is, “Believe the woman.” In other words, truth will emerge not from an adversarial process weighing evidence and testimony before the bar of reason, but from yielding to the will of the more politically correct. “Her truth” is stronger than any objective or disinterested truth.

In the Claremont Review of Books, we have described our current political scene as a cold civil war. A cold civil war is better than a hot civil war, but it is not a good situation for a country to be in. Underlying our cold civil war is the fact that America is torn increasingly between two rival constitutions, two cultures, two ways of life.
DNA has its own language (code), and language requires intelligence. There is no known mechanism by which matter can give birth to information, let alone language. It is unreasonable to believe the world could have happened by chance.
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Post by Maddy » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:13 am

I've never been sure what is meant by "post-modernism," so I looked it up:
Postmodernism, also spelled post-modernism, in Western philosophy, a late 20th-century movement characterized by broad skepticism, subjectivism, or relativism; a general suspicion of reason; and an acute sensitivity to the role of ideology in asserting and maintaining political and economic power.
(From the on-line Encyclopedia Brittanica)

Isn't this precisely the agenda of "cultural shaping" that was laid out by political theorist Cleon Skousen in his 1958 book "The Naked Communist?" It was not proposed as a viable form of governance or even a legitimate cultural phenomenon, but rather as a tool for undermining and dismantling a culture and system of government.
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Post by sophie » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:47 am

I used to think of the left as being kinder to individuals, while Republicans were cold-hearted corporate shills. The Left recognized that people can have misfortunes e.g. they can get sick or get into accidents, and that the measure of a person is not the extent to which they can avoid these things. They also advocated treating people fairly regardless of social class or physical characteristics. Like, treat women with basic respect in the workplace, don't beat up gay people for being gay, and don't lynch black people or treat them as if they were cattle. Republicans, on the other hand, seemed to be about letting people starve and throwing Grandma into the snow headfirst, in order to preserve corporate profits. Onto this was added a layer of religious fundamentalism entwined with an overtone of bigotry that I found scary not to mention a major threat to the Constitution's religious liberty guarantee.

Maybe this was wrong-headed, but it was a fairly widespread perception. Now, those admirable liberal positions have morphed into something that feels completely sinister to me. Now it's about elevating certain groups to the level of hero-worship and from this, having carte blanche to destroy people, careers, and public institutions. Even worse is the idea of legislating or discriminating based on thoughts and opinions. Maybe it was always this way and it's just gotten harder core so that I finally noticed this dark side.

The extreme quality of this platform as it is now is bound to create serious divides. I don't think it's a civil war "between Constitutions" so much as an outright attack on society and government that you are either going to be for (if you are still living with the perception of the Democratic Party that I used to have) or against (if you've picked up on that dark side). Not picking up on the dark side is rather understandable given the role of the press in pushing that extreme agenda. If it weren't for that, I suspect there would be a lot more people in the "against" column.
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Post by Maddy » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:59 am

It's a painful stretch to call this a "civil war." In fact it's about as goofy as calling a two-year-old's tantrum a family crisis.
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Post by dualstow » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:00 pm

Sophie, I think your perception in the first paragraph was truly accurate in its time.
I suppose everything gets corrupted and falls apart eventually.
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Post by jacksonM » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:45 pm

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I used to think of the left as being kinder to individuals, while Republicans were cold-hearted corporate shills. The Left recognized that people can have misfortunes e.g. they can get sick or get into accidents, and that the measure of a person is not the extent to which they can avoid these things. They also advocated treating people fairly regardless of social class or physical characteristics. Like, treat women with basic respect in the workplace, don't beat up gay people for being gay, and don't lynch black people or treat them as if they were cattle. Republicans, on the other hand, seemed to be about letting people starve and throwing Grandma into the snow headfirst, in order to preserve corporate profits. Onto this was added a layer of religious fundamentalism entwined with an overtone of bigotry that I found scary not to mention a major threat to the Constitution's religious liberty guarantee.

Maybe this was wrong-headed, but it was a fairly widespread perception. Now, those admirable liberal positions have morphed into something that feels completely sinister to me. Now it's about elevating certain groups to the level of hero-worship and from this, having carte blanche to destroy people, careers, and public institutions. Even worse is the idea of legislating or discriminating based on thoughts and opinions. Maybe it was always this way and it's just gotten harder core so that I finally noticed this dark side.

The extreme quality of this platform as it is now is bound to create serious divides. I don't think it's a civil war "between Constitutions" so much as an outright attack on society and government that you are either going to be for (if you are still living with the perception of the Democratic Party that I used to have) or against (if you've picked up on that dark side). Not picking up on the dark side is rather understandable given the role of the press in pushing that extreme agenda. If it weren't for that, I suspect there would be a lot more people in the "against" column.
And I used to think of Democrats as abortion loving, freedom hating, supreme court nominee smearing, leave a woman to drown in a car and get away with it, hypocrites.
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Post by dualstow » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:40 am

Great article on extremists on the left and how they just don’t listen anymore. No debate.

https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/psycho ... hostility/
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Whats the problem with abortion?
We’ve got at least one heated thread on that. O0

Here’s one - viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6457
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Post by jacksonM » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:40 am

Sorry to have brought up the subject of abortion.

What I was trying to say in my post about Democrats is that for years I voted the way Sophie did, just from the opposite end of the spectrum. It wasn't so much that I favored Republicans but that Democrats disgusted me. Learned my lesson in 2000 when I voted against Gore and look what we got instead. One thing I liked about Trump was his audacity in calling GWB a disaster, something most Republicans don't want to admit. Eventually I became just as disgusted with Republicans, but not for Sophie's reasons. Though I didn't vote either for or against Kerry or Obama, it was hard to imagine them doing more harm to the country than a second Bush term or McCain or Romney.

Voted against Clinton and for Trump in 2016 and I still think that was probably a good choice although Trump is turning into a big disappointment. His non-interventionist talk about not being the policeman of the world, disbanding NATO, etc, is turning out to be as much of a farce as Bush's "Humble foreign policy". Unfortunately, I think Clinton would have been even worse. And as for the key issue of immigration, the Republicans have had complete control of the government now for two years so do you think they are actually going to ever do anything about it except to use it as a campaign issue in 2020 after the Democrats win the house next week?

But meanwhile, back to current events ....

What's going to happen on the border when/if the migrant caravan arrive? Who is paying for them? How will it affect the election?

Who is sending those pipe bombs? Is it a false flag operation? (I see they just caught him so everyone will be waiting to find out what his motivation was).

If the Dems take the house will Trump be impeached?

Was watching the new season of "The Man in the High Castle" last night when it occurred to me that our current "real world" is getting to be just as interesting as a fictional TV show. And I mean "interesting" in the Chinese proverb way.

Personally, I would prefer things to be a little more boring.
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:09 pm

jacksonM wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:40 am
Who is sending those pipe bombs? Is it a false flag operation? (I see they just caught him so everyone will be waiting to find out what his motivation was).
Just as I suspected.

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Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:09 pm
Just as I suspected.

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O0 I just laughed out loud, startling the missus.
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Post by sophie » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:48 am

Remember the Good Old Days when the real news was dull, and people secretly enjoyed picking up the National Enquirer on the grocery store checkout line to read about alien bugs the size of Volkswagens invading Delaware?

I haven't seen the Enquirer in a long time, but I don't need it now that the "real" news organizations read just like this.

Also jacksonM...how could I forgotten about the Iraq War debacle!!! That was another major Republican feature/bug: a fundamental inability to identify the difference between reality and "spin". That's apparently now shifted to the Democrats.
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Post by jacksonM » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:46 am

Scary thought of the day....

Given Newton's third law, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, what will be the effect of the pipe bomb incident on the psyches of those on the far left?
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Post by Libertarian666 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:21 pm

jacksonM wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:46 am
Scary thought of the day....

Given Newton's third law, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, what will be the effect of the pipe bomb incident on the psyches of those on the far left?
None.

Their TDS is already stage 4.
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