The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

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Post by vnatale » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:44 pm

From 1996 -- looks like this criticism of the left has been going on for a while! (And, for you fellow baseball fans, make sure you also read the second item (if you go to the URL).

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https://archive.fortune.com/magazines/f ... /index.htm

THE UNABOMBER'S INSIGHT, THE ODDS AGAINST ALBERT BELLE, RENEGADE ECONOMISTS, AND OTHER MATTERS.
(FORTUNE Magazine)
By DANIEL SELIGMAN REPORTER ASSOCIATE AMY R. KOVER
May 13, 1996
(FORTUNE Magazine) – CREEPSPEAK REVISITED

As evidenced in this space last fall (October 30), your servant has spent a lot of time brooding over the Unabomber's manifesto and now feels a need to return to this amazing document. Also to say something mildly favorable about its even more amazing author.

It is true that alleged author Ted Kaczynski Jr. is in many ways even creepier than the character one imagined while hovering over the manifesto. He turns out to be not only a loner and serial killer with serious personal-hygiene problems but also an utter hypocrite about money. To appreciate the hypocrisy, you need to return to the manifesto's long, involved indictment of a technological society in which nobody feels fulfilled because life is too easy and the physical necessities--food, water, clothing, shelter--have been taken care of. The argument is that even today people need the survival challenges once faced by families on the frontier.

And so, pursuant to this elaborate schema, Ted went off to live in the mountains in his own personally built cabin and eat the vegetables he'd grown and the rabbits he'd shot. But we also see that he kept running out of money and regularly received gifts or loans from his not terribly well-off brother, back home in technological Schenectady, New York, to get him through the year. The Unabomber as a remittance man does come as a surprise.

And yet there is one line of argument in the manifesto that holds up quite well on a second reading. One cherishes the Unabomber's passages on the psychology of modern leftism.

Mentioned briefly in our account last fall but not well reported in the media generally--possibly because it seems so anomalous in an enemy of the establishment--is the Unabomber's detestation of leftists. Presumably he came to this position via various unpleasant encounters on the campuses he had frequented. Whatever its genesis, his rage against left-liberal characters has led him to think a lot about their psychology and "totalitarian" (his word) impulses.

The question he zeroes in on is, What's really happening in the heads of all the politically correct fanatics who endlessly find new things to be outraged over? Why are they forever changing the rules about behavior that should be banned and terms that are unacceptable in talking about women, minorities, old folks, even pets? (He mentions the animal-rights activists who wish to replace that term with "animal companion.") His utterly persuasive (around our house) answer is that leftists have learned that these rules enable one to intimidate and control others. They are power plays. "Suppose," he asks near the end of the manifesto, "you asked leftists to make a list of all the things that were wrong with society, and then suppose you instituted every social change that they demanded. It is safe to say that within a couple of years, the majority of leftists would find something new to complain about...The leftist is motivated less by distress at society's ills than by the need to satisfy his drive for power."

Hey, just because you are depraved, creepy, and unwashed doesn't mean you can't come up with an insight now and then.
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Post by dualstow » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:34 pm

I’m off topic but Ted K was a tortured youth, both literally and metaphorically speaking.
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:45 am

The meeting was slated as a Minneapolis City Council study session on police reform.

But for much of the two-hour meeting, council members told police Chief Medaria Arradondo that their constituents are seeing and hearing street racing which sometimes results in crashes, brazen daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults and shootings. And they asked Arradondo what the department is doing about it.

"Residents are asking, ‘Where are the police’?” said Jamal Osman, newly elected council member of Ward 6. He said he's already been inundated with complaints from residents that calls for police aren’t being answered.
Heh.
Council member Phillipe Cunningham represents the 4th Ward, where a 17-year-old boy was shot and killed Monday afternoon. Cunningham said two of his constituents were also recently wounded by stray bullets while sitting in their home.

Despite the uptick of crime in his ward, Cunningham, who supports the creation of a new community safety agency to replace the police department, said it’s particularly important now to start instituting some of those public health-based approaches to violence prevention. Recently, the council took more than $1 million from the police budget to hire “violence interrupters” to intervene and defuse potentially violent confrontations.
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Cunningham also criticized some of his colleagues for seeming to waver on the promises they made earlier this year to transform the city’s public safety system.

“What I am sort of flabbergasted by right now is colleagues, who a very short time ago were calling for abolition, are now suggesting we should be putting more resources and funding into MPD,” Cunningham said. link
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Post by Libertarian666 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:27 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:45 am
The meeting was slated as a Minneapolis City Council study session on police reform.

But for much of the two-hour meeting, council members told police Chief Medaria Arradondo that their constituents are seeing and hearing street racing which sometimes results in crashes, brazen daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults and shootings. And they asked Arradondo what the department is doing about it.

"Residents are asking, ‘Where are the police’?” said Jamal Osman, newly elected council member of Ward 6. He said he's already been inundated with complaints from residents that calls for police aren’t being answered.
Heh.
Council member Phillipe Cunningham represents the 4th Ward, where a 17-year-old boy was shot and killed Monday afternoon. Cunningham said two of his constituents were also recently wounded by stray bullets while sitting in their home.

Despite the uptick of crime in his ward, Cunningham, who supports the creation of a new community safety agency to replace the police department, said it’s particularly important now to start instituting some of those public health-based approaches to violence prevention. Recently, the council took more than $1 million from the police budget to hire “violence interrupters” to intervene and defuse potentially violent confrontations.
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Cunningham also criticized some of his colleagues for seeming to waver on the promises they made earlier this year to transform the city’s public safety system.

“What I am sort of flabbergasted by right now is colleagues, who a very short time ago were calling for abolition, are now suggesting we should be putting more resources and funding into MPD,” Cunningham said. link
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Imagine my shock that getting rid of police means more crime. Who could have predicted that? :D
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Post by Tortoise » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:06 pm

Reminds me of the movie Home Alone.

The Minneapolis City Council is like Kevin McCallister at the end of the movie, remorseful that he wished for his family to disappear and now wishing for them to return for Christmas.
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Post by sophie » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:02 pm

Paywalled article but the title pretty much says it all:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/california ... jem10point

I don't even know where to begin on this one:

- Trump's executive orders make him authoritarian, anti-democracy etc etc. But not Gavin Newsome's executive orders dislocating a huge portion of the California economy?

- Since electric cars cost a lot more than gas powered cars, I assume this will serve double duty to discourage legal & illegal immigration? Thanks Gavin!

- The state's electrical grid can't even support normal use during a heat wave. What happens when there's no juice to charge all these electric cars?

- Watch for car dealers to move to Arizona and Nevada, just on the other side of the CA border. And for used car prices in CA to shoot sky high.
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Post by pp4me » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:52 am

Cold fusion is fun but getting back on topic....

Suicide of the Liberals - the Russian revolution...

https://www.firstthings.com/article/202 ... e-liberals
Anyone wearing a uniform was a candidate for a bullet to the head or sulfuric acid to the face. Country estates were burnt down (“rural illuminations”) and businesses were extorted or blown up. Bombs were tossed at random into railroad carriages, restaurants, and theaters. Far from regretting the death and maiming of innocent bystanders, terrorists boasted of killing as many as possible, either because the victims were likely bourgeois or because any murder helped bring down the old order. A group of anarcho-­communists threw bombs laced with nails into a café bustling with two hundred customers in order “to see how the foul bourgeois will squirm in death agony.”
How did educated, liberal society respond to such terrorism? What was the position of the Constitutional Democratic (Kadet) Party and its deputies in the Duma (the parliament set up in 1905)? Though Kadets advocated democratic, constitutional procedures, and did not themselves engage in ­terrorism, they aided the terrorists in any way they could. Kadets collected money for terrorists, turned their homes into safe houses, and called for total amnesty for arrested terrorists who pledged to continue the mayhem. Kadet Party central committee member N. N. Shchepkin declared that the party did not regard terrorists as criminals at all, but as saints and martyrs.
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pp4me wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:52 am
Cold fusion is fun but getting back on topic....

Suicide of the Liberals - the Russian revolution...

https://www.firstthings.com/article/202 ... e-liberals
Anyone wearing a uniform was a candidate for a bullet to the head or sulfuric acid to the face. Country estates were burnt down (“rural illuminations”) and businesses were extorted or blown up. Bombs were tossed at random into railroad carriages, restaurants, and theaters. Far from regretting the death and maiming of innocent bystanders, terrorists boasted of killing as many as possible, either because the victims were likely bourgeois or because any murder helped bring down the old order. A group of anarcho-­communists threw bombs laced with nails into a café bustling with two hundred customers in order “to see how the foul bourgeois will squirm in death agony.”
How did educated, liberal society respond to such terrorism? What was the position of the Constitutional Democratic (Kadet) Party and its deputies in the Duma (the parliament set up in 1905)? Though Kadets advocated democratic, constitutional procedures, and did not themselves engage in ­terrorism, they aided the terrorists in any way they could. Kadets collected money for terrorists, turned their homes into safe houses, and called for total amnesty for arrested terrorists who pledged to continue the mayhem. Kadet Party central committee member N. N. Shchepkin declared that the party did not regard terrorists as criminals at all, but as saints and martyrs.
Tut, tut... something like that could NEVER happen in the US. We're special.
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Post by Libertarian666 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:55 pm

pp4me wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:52 am
Cold fusion is fun but getting back on topic....

Suicide of the Liberals - the Russian revolution...

https://www.firstthings.com/article/202 ... e-liberals
Anyone wearing a uniform was a candidate for a bullet to the head or sulfuric acid to the face. Country estates were burnt down (“rural illuminations”) and businesses were extorted or blown up. Bombs were tossed at random into railroad carriages, restaurants, and theaters. Far from regretting the death and maiming of innocent bystanders, terrorists boasted of killing as many as possible, either because the victims were likely bourgeois or because any murder helped bring down the old order. A group of anarcho-­communists threw bombs laced with nails into a café bustling with two hundred customers in order “to see how the foul bourgeois will squirm in death agony.”
How did educated, liberal society respond to such terrorism? What was the position of the Constitutional Democratic (Kadet) Party and its deputies in the Duma (the parliament set up in 1905)? Though Kadets advocated democratic, constitutional procedures, and did not themselves engage in ­terrorism, they aided the terrorists in any way they could. Kadets collected money for terrorists, turned their homes into safe houses, and called for total amnesty for arrested terrorists who pledged to continue the mayhem. Kadet Party central committee member N. N. Shchepkin declared that the party did not regard terrorists as criminals at all, but as saints and martyrs.
So that's where Antifa and BLM learned their trade!
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Post by pp4me » Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:46 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:55 pm
pp4me wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:52 am
Cold fusion is fun but getting back on topic....

Suicide of the Liberals - the Russian revolution...

https://www.firstthings.com/article/202 ... e-liberals
Anyone wearing a uniform was a candidate for a bullet to the head or sulfuric acid to the face. Country estates were burnt down (“rural illuminations”) and businesses were extorted or blown up. Bombs were tossed at random into railroad carriages, restaurants, and theaters. Far from regretting the death and maiming of innocent bystanders, terrorists boasted of killing as many as possible, either because the victims were likely bourgeois or because any murder helped bring down the old order. A group of anarcho-­communists threw bombs laced with nails into a café bustling with two hundred customers in order “to see how the foul bourgeois will squirm in death agony.”
How did educated, liberal society respond to such terrorism? What was the position of the Constitutional Democratic (Kadet) Party and its deputies in the Duma (the parliament set up in 1905)? Though Kadets advocated democratic, constitutional procedures, and did not themselves engage in ­terrorism, they aided the terrorists in any way they could. Kadets collected money for terrorists, turned their homes into safe houses, and called for total amnesty for arrested terrorists who pledged to continue the mayhem. Kadet Party central committee member N. N. Shchepkin declared that the party did not regard terrorists as criminals at all, but as saints and martyrs.
So that's where Antifa and BLM learned their trade!
I think they have cleaned it up but BLM did openly proclaim on their website that they were "trained Marxists" so yes, that is where they learned their trade. How much clearer can they make it? And you have to admit they have much of the "educated liberal society" is right where they want them.
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Julie Burchill's book about cancel culture cancelled over Twitter row

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-55331063
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Woke teachers want to cancel Shakespeare because it’s about colonization and white supremacy.
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On the NY Times' recent firing of a science editor who referred to the N-word:

https://youtu.be/Ya6oHUkG4tw
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Also regarding the above.
Executive Editor Dean Baquet had previously declined to fire Mr. McNeil over the two-year-old incident, saying it was clear the term hadn’t been uttered in a “hateful or malicious” way.

But that was before a tsunami of intolerance from the forces of tolerance inside the paper. Mr. Baquet announced last week that Mr. McNeil would be leaving after all because “we do not tolerate racist language regardless of intent.” Oops, it was universally pointed out that the Times then would have to fire itself. A Factiva search shows the paper using the word 1,271 times as far back as 1969 and as recently as a week ago, as it must in covering the world. The new standard, “a threat to our journalism,” was “a deadline mistake and I regret it,” Mr. Baquet admitted on Thursday.
- WSJ Opinion / https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-times- ... 1613170637
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Post by dualstow » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:01 am

The North Thurston Public Schools in Lacey, Wash., made headlines in November when their “equity report” classified Asian-Americans along with whites instead of as “students of color.” Apparently the Asian-Americans were doing too well academically to be students of color. After what the district said was “an overwhelming public response,” it admitted its “category choices” had “racist implications” and dropped the equity report from its website.
...
... America’s most progressive cities have been failing their black and Latino children for decades. How does New York Mayor Bill de Blasio respond? In January America’s self-styled progressive in chief announced that New York will abolish the entrance exam for the city’s gifted-and-talented programs for young students. If you can’t fix the schools that are broken, you cut down to size the schools that are working.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-woke-m ... opin_pos_2
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dualstow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:08 pm
Also regarding the above.
Executive Editor Dean Baquet had previously declined to fire Mr. McNeil over the two-year-old incident, saying it was clear the term hadn’t been uttered in a “hateful or malicious” way.

But that was before a tsunami of intolerance from the forces of tolerance inside the paper. Mr. Baquet announced last week that Mr. McNeil would be leaving after all because “we do not tolerate racist language regardless of intent.” Oops, it was universally pointed out that the Times then would have to fire itself. A Factiva search shows the paper using the word 1,271 times as far back as 1969 and as recently as a week ago, as it must in covering the world. The new standard, “a threat to our journalism,” was “a deadline mistake and I regret it,” Mr. Baquet admitted on Thursday.
- WSJ Opinion / https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-times- ... 1613170637
Reminds me of the stoning scene in Life of Brian. Click for a much needed laugh, all!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv4PFgOmAsI

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I don’t even need to click. it’s the Jehovah utterances, right? O0
Yup. And especially the part about every one of them being taken out of context.

It is amazing to me how on point virtually all of Life of Brian was. So many of the political battles going on today were pre-spoofed in that movie. Actually not so much spoofed as depicted in a way that faithfully represents current arguments and underscores how ridiculous many of them are. Other scenes that come to mind are the "I want you to call me Loretta" scene, the fighting between the People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front, and the scene about "We hate the Romans and what have they ever done for us" - followed by a long list of things like the aqueduct, roads, keeping order etc.

Not to mention my personal favorite: "Crucifixion?" "Yes" "Good. Line on the left, one cross each."
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I don’t even need to click. it’s the Jehovah utterances, right? O0
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This topic seems to have reached that magic number of pages so that the "last unread post" feature is no longer reliable...anyone else experiencing the same in this topic? It seemed to work fine within the last half hour but not this lat time I came into it.
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vnatale wrote:
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This topic seems to have reached that magic number of pages so that the "last unread post" feature is no longer reliable...anyone else experiencing the same in this topic? It seemed to work fine within the last half hour but not this lat time I came into it.
This is one of those threads that I’ve had to bookmark or rediscover with a google search.
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dualstow wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:10 am

vnatale wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:03 am

This topic seems to have reached that magic number of pages so that the "last unread post" feature is no longer reliable...anyone else experiencing the same in this topic? It seemed to work fine within the last half hour but not this lat time I came into it.


This is one of those threads that I’ve had to bookmark or rediscover with a google search.


Worked fine this time around...
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Post by I Shrugged » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:58 pm

sophie wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:51 am
dualstow wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:08 pm
Also regarding the above.
Executive Editor Dean Baquet had previously declined to fire Mr. McNeil over the two-year-old incident, saying it was clear the term hadn’t been uttered in a “hateful or malicious” way.

But that was before a tsunami of intolerance from the forces of tolerance inside the paper. Mr. Baquet announced last week that Mr. McNeil would be leaving after all because “we do not tolerate racist language regardless of intent.” Oops, it was universally pointed out that the Times then would have to fire itself. A Factiva search shows the paper using the word 1,271 times as far back as 1969 and as recently as a week ago, as it must in covering the world. The new standard, “a threat to our journalism,” was “a deadline mistake and I regret it,” Mr. Baquet admitted on Thursday.
- WSJ Opinion / https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-times- ... 1613170637
Reminds me of the stoning scene in Life of Brian. Click for a much needed laugh, all!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv4PFgOmAsI

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I don’t even need to click. it’s the Jehovah utterances, right? O0
Yup. And especially the part about every one of them being taken out of context.

It is amazing to me how on point virtually all of Life of Brian was. So many of the political battles going on today were pre-spoofed in that movie. Actually not so much spoofed as depicted in a way that faithfully represents current arguments and underscores how ridiculous many of them are. Other scenes that come to mind are the "I want you to call me Loretta" scene, the fighting between the People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front, and the scene about "We hate the Romans and what have they ever done for us" - followed by a long list of things like the aqueduct, roads, keeping order etc.

Not to mention my personal favorite: "Crucifixion?" "Yes" "Good. Line on the left, one cross each."
I always thought a very, very thin book would be, "Women who like Monty Python". :)

Bravo Sophie!
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sophie wrote:
Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:51 am
Reminds me of the stoning scene in Life of Brian. Click for a much needed laugh, all!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv4PFgOmAsI

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I don’t even need to click. it’s the Jehovah utterances, right? O0
Yup. And especially the part about every one of them being taken out of context.
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Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:58 pm
I always thought a very, very thin book would be, "Women who like Monty Python". :)

Bravo Sophie!
Thanks!

I think the very thin book would be "Women Geeks" - but if you start with that subset, you'll find no shortage of Monty Python fans. Maddy - what about you???
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Post by Maddy » Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:29 am

I'm hardly neurotypical, but I confess that my one exposure to Monte Python (a movie about 40 years ago in which the characters pranced around on make-believe horses) left me thinking, "I don't get it!"
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MangoMan wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:31 am

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1 ... 1282179075

A poll showing the main concerns of Dem vs Rep voters. It's no wonder the left is unhappy. Everything is about feelings rather than actual problems.


Reviewed both lists. My interpretation is that it is the Republicans who are more concerned with perceived problems than actual problems. Republican concerns are mostly centered upon them being victims.
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