The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II
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From Warren's website: https://elizabethwarren.com/issues#latest-announcements
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Decriminalize migration and refocus enforcement on serious criminal activity. Entering the country without authorization has always been a violation of civil immigration law, but thanks to a former segregationist Senator, it’s also a criminal violation. This additional criminal provision is totally unnecessary for border security, and for a century, it was rarely enforced. But since the early 2000s, it has been used to build and sustain a massive immigration detention complex. In 2016, over half of all federal criminal prosecutions were for immigration violations — more than prosecutions for terrorism, organized crime, hate crimes, or financial fraud.
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This is something I've never considered and I would suspect is used to great effect to scare Americans. Illegal immigration will still break civil laws, just not criminal.
Assuming her statements are correct that for 100 years it was never enforced anyway, what's the concern? Why have laws on the books that aren't enforced? Do we want to waste resources criminally prosecution immigrants?
Just asking.
I have to say, about the only issues that I disagree with her on are climate change and free college/loan forgiveness
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Decriminalize migration and refocus enforcement on serious criminal activity. Entering the country without authorization has always been a violation of civil immigration law, but thanks to a former segregationist Senator, it’s also a criminal violation. This additional criminal provision is totally unnecessary for border security, and for a century, it was rarely enforced. But since the early 2000s, it has been used to build and sustain a massive immigration detention complex. In 2016, over half of all federal criminal prosecutions were for immigration violations — more than prosecutions for terrorism, organized crime, hate crimes, or financial fraud.
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This is something I've never considered and I would suspect is used to great effect to scare Americans. Illegal immigration will still break civil laws, just not criminal.
Assuming her statements are correct that for 100 years it was never enforced anyway, what's the concern? Why have laws on the books that aren't enforced? Do we want to waste resources criminally prosecution immigrants?
Just asking.
I have to say, about the only issues that I disagree with her on are climate change and free college/loan forgiveness
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There's certainly been some hyperbole on the right with regard to immigration. It's not World War Z out there, and it's not like they're gangs of rapists or barbarians at the gate. But, one can't ignore the sheer volume of new immigration, and immigration attempts.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:50 pm ...
This additional criminal provision is totally unnecessary for border security, and for a century, it was rarely enforced. But since the early 2000s, it has been used to build and sustain a massive immigration detention complex. In 2016, over half of all federal criminal prosecutions were for immigration violations — more than prosecutions for terrorism, organized crime, hate crimes, or financial fraud
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati ... ee_numbers
Most of us are the descendants of immigrants and of course if you don't count the original colonists, pretty much all of us are. Can we handle everyone seeking asylum now? Apparently even the processing facilities are overwhelmed. Long-term absorption? I don't know. My Italian buddy says he doesn't go to his city center in northern Italy anymore. There's a lot of immigration and not a lot of assimilation keeping pace there.
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In some places it might feel more like that than others:dualstow wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pmThere's certainly been some hyperbole on the right with regard to immigration. It's not World War Z out there, and it's not like they're gangs of rapists or barbarians at the gate. But, one can't ignore the sheer volume of new immigration, and immigration attempts.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:50 pm ...
This additional criminal provision is totally unnecessary for border security, and for a century, it was rarely enforced. But since the early 2000s, it has been used to build and sustain a massive immigration detention complex. In 2016, over half of all federal criminal prosecutions were for immigration violations — more than prosecutions for terrorism, organized crime, hate crimes, or financial fraud
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati ... ee_numbers
"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement says Montgomery County violated its own jail policy last week when it released an undocumented immigrant accused of rape despite an immigration detainer on file." link
"Two undocumented immigrants are accused of raping an 11-year-old girl on different occasions" link
"An illegal immigrant in Maryland is alleged to have crawled into the bed of a teenage girl while she was taking a nap and placed a knife against her throat before proceeding to rape her, according to authorities." link
"Another illegal immigrant has been charged with rape in a Maryland county with an infamous, crime-ridden history as a sanctuary jurisdiction." link
"A Honduran national in the United States illegally has been accused of raping his 15-year-old stepdaughter in suburban Maryland, the seventh such case in the area over the past five weeks." link
"A Nigerian national has been charged in Montgomery County, Maryland, for rape, marking the eighth illegal alien to be charged with rape or another sexual crime in the county since July 25. . . News of the arrest marks the latest rape or sexual charge by an illegal alien in Montgomery County since County Executive Marc Elrich signed a “sanctuary” order in July that largely forbids local authorities from cooperating with federal immigration authorities." link
"Six of the seven people arrested this month for a murder in July in Towson are members of the violent street gang MS-13 and were in the country illegally" link
There's also this site, which tracks sexual assaults of children by illegal immigrants in North Carolina.
Hey that's not fair, I thought we were only talking about the US here!My Italian buddy says he doesn't go to his city center in northern Italy anymore. There's a lot of immigration and not a lot of assimilation keeping pace there.
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A valid point. Mine, too. However, the argument can be made that some can’t afford to go the legal route if they want to make it. From our side of it, that does not mean that we should necessarily let them in or put them before those who do apply legally.flyingpylon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:32 pmNot sure about anyone else, but my ancestors were legal immigrants, which is a different topic. Why conflate the two?
My great-grandparents (and one grandparent) had many hardships to overcome both before coming here and after arriving. One side spoke nine languages, but not English. So they learned English. The one grandparent was fleeing persecution. Still, as I’ve written elsewhere, I don’t think everyone fleeing the machetes of Honduras can go the legal route.
it’s not about conflating the two. It’s just very far from the point.
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Shoot, I didn’t see your post, kriegs. I’ll have to get to it tomorrow. Handmaid’s Tale awaits...
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Yeah. There’s also the infamous mass street assaults by fresh *legal* immigrants in Germany. (Oops, there I go, venturing out of the U.S. again).Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:57 pmIn some places it might feel more like that than others:dualstow wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 pmThere's certainly been some hyperbole on the right with regard to immigration. It's not World War Z out there, and it's not like they're gangs of rapistsCortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:50 pm ...
This additional criminal provision is totally unnecessary for border security,
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati ... ee_numbers
"U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement says Montgomery County violated its own jail policy last week when it released an undocumented immigrant accused of rape despite an immigration detainer on file." link
"Two undocumented immigrants are accused of raping an 11-year-old girl on different occasions" link
"An illegal immigrant in Maryland is alleged to have crawled into the bed of a teenage girl while she was taking a nap and placed a knife against her throat before proceeding to rape her, according to authorities." link
"Another illegal immigrant has been charged with rape in a Maryland county with an infamous, crime-ridden history as a sanctuary jurisdiction." link
"A Honduran national in the United States illegally has been accused of raping his 15-year-old stepdaughter in suburban Maryland, the seventh such case in the area over the past five weeks." link
"A Nigerian national has been charged in Montgomery County, Maryland, for rape, marking the eighth illegal alien to be charged with rape or another sexual crime in the county since July 25. . . News of the arrest marks the latest rape or sexual charge by an illegal alien in Montgomery County since County Executive Marc Elrich signed a “sanctuary” order in July that largely forbids local authorities from cooperating with federal immigration authorities." link
"Six of the seven people arrested this month for a murder in July in Towson are members of the violent street gang MS-13 and were in the country illegally" link
There's also this site, which tracks sexual assaults of children by illegal immigrants in North Carolina.
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Hey that's not fair, I thought we were only talking about the US here!
The closer you are to this, the more strongly you must feel. I’m not in El Paso, nor in the hinterlands of Alaska. If any of the above happened to a loved one of mine, I’d throw the statistics out the window. How could I not.
For now, though, I’d like to know the percentage of illegal immigrants who are committing these crimes. I still think most of them are keeping our restaurant industry and other parts of the economy running. (Nonetheless, if I could wave a magic wand, they’d be back home).
I’d also like to see stats on that % relative to the rest of us, we the naturalized and descendants of the naturalized. Maybe moda could make those up find them or already has them.
You never hear about the sharks that swim close to shore and don’t bother anyone.
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One assault or rape is too many.
But like dualstow says, what's the percentage? Below is a recent yearly total. This happens a lot. Crazy.
But like dualstow says, what's the percentage? Below is a recent yearly total. This happens a lot. Crazy.
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A) I have lost my faith in statistics like that. Even one of the cases I linked to, it seemed to me like a chick banged an illegal alien when she was drunk, then regretted it later and claimed he raped her.
and B) since they're illegal aliens, we don't exactly know how many there are, so how can we calculate accurate base rates?
Anyways, I say that to make the point that people close to it might not act the way you'd think.
and B) since they're illegal aliens, we don't exactly know how many there are, so how can we calculate accurate base rates?
The situation I would have referenced is the Muslim rape gangs in northern England, who are legal immigrants as far as I know. As insane as it sounds, it was determined that the police and community knew there was a huge organization of Muslims gang raping and torturing British girls, but they didn't do anything so as to not appear racist, in addition to arresting two fathers who tried to rescue their daughters. That was the backdrop for the arrest of Tommy Robinson for live-streaming outside the courthouse.dualstow wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:34 am Yeah. There’s also the infamous mass street assaults by fresh *legal* immigrants in Germany. (Oops, there I go, venturing out of the U.S. again).
The closer you are to this, the more strongly you must feel. I’m not in El Paso, nor in the hinterlands of Alaska. If any of the above happened to a loved one of mine, I’d throw the statistics out the window. How could I not.
Anyways, I say that to make the point that people close to it might not act the way you'd think.
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So we have to take the anecdotals with a grain of salt.Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:08 am A) I have lost my faith in statistics like that. Even one of the cases I linked to, it seemed to me like a chick banged an illegal alien when she was drunk, then regretted it later and claimed he raped her.
I don't know how they get figures even for things like how many people are marching toward a border. Drones and estimations?B) since they're illegal aliens, we don't exactly know how many there are, so how can we calculate accurate base rates?
re England: yeah, I saw a bit of that article. Very disturbing. I didn't know about the lack of follow-up due to fear of racism allegations. I should do some follow-up reading on that.
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Monopoly sucks anyway. Only reason we ever played it was because there was absolutely nothing else to do. Life is better.MangoMan wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:53 pm Now Hasbro has joined the Woke crowd.
https://www.thepostmillennial.com/hasbr ... -than-men/Monopoly, the infamous family board game that has ruined friendships for over 80 years, has decided to take a heavy dose of the “woke” pill. Hasbro is debuting a special edition of Monopoly which “celebrates women’s empowerment” by giving female players more money.
Better yet, male players should also have a higher chance of dying while playing, considering that 94 percent of workplace fatalities are male.
You can't make this sh!t up.
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Oh, I loved board games with friends & family in the pre-Internet age. Good times.
The Ms Monopoly version sounds rather insulting though. Giving women extra money for passing Go- how is that empowering? It sounds as antiquated as the term “the weaker sex.”
And what if you’re a non-binary gender fluid person who identifies as a lobster? How much cash for you?
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The Ms Monopoly version sounds rather insulting though. Giving women extra money for passing Go- how is that empowering? It sounds as antiquated as the term “the weaker sex.”
And what if you’re a non-binary gender fluid person who identifies as a lobster? How much cash for you?
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Just wait til the SJWs find out that in Risk you only get 2 armies for South America and 3 for Africa, but 5 for North America and Europe.
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I'm sure that will be their next target.Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:27 am Just wait til the SJWs find out that in Risk you only get 2 armies for South America and 3 for Africa, but 5 for North America and Europe.
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It is like stacking the deck in Solitaire. Where everyone is a Winner.Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:54 amI'm sure that will be their next target.Kriegsspiel wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:27 am Just wait til the SJWs find out that in Risk you only get 2 armies for South America and 3 for Africa, but 5 for North America and Europe.
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Another Titania McGrath tweet:
Link is to Sun article: "FIRED MAN SAM /PC fire chiefs BAN mascot Fireman Sam because he’s too male and puts women off joining"In the event of a house fire:
1) Raise an alarm.
2) Close all the doors.
3) Call the emergency services.
4) Explain to the operator that you only consent to be rescued by a queer woman of colour.
5) Wait.
https://t.co/G9mCtYFcsz?amp=1
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This one's kind of scary.
There's a paywall (WSJ), but here are some excerpts:Take Two Aspirin and Call Me by My Pronouns
At ‘woke’ medical schools, curricula are increasingly focused on social justice rather than treating illness.
(I accept climate change but, good lord).During my term as associate dean of curriculum at the University of Pennsylvania’s medical school, I was chastised by a faculty member for not including a program on climate change in the course of study.
A new wave of educational specialists is increasingly influencing medical education. They emphasize “social justice” that relates to health care only tangentially. This approach is the result of a progressive mind-set that abhors hierarchy of any kind and the social elitism associated with the medical profession in particular.
As concerns about social justice have taken over undergraduate education, graduate schools have raced to develop curricula that will steep future educators in the same ideology. Today a master’s degree in education is often what it takes to qualify for key administrative roles on medical-school faculties. The zeitgeist of sociology and social work have become the driving force in medical education. The goal of today’s educators is to produce legions of primary care physicians who engage in what is termed “population health.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/take-two-a ... 1568325291Meanwhile, oncologists, cardiologists, surgeons and other medical specialists are in short supply.
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Biden proved his total cluelessness about healthcare. His implicit assumption is that the cost of HC in the US is somehow a universal constant like the speed of light, and he can't seem to entertain the idea that the entire system is screwed up, which is why we overpay for worse service in this country as compared to other developed countries. In other words, he'd be Aquarius for big pharma, insurance co., hospital chains and defend them as if they were Apple Pie and Motherhood.
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Clottin' Eye Joe's dentures fell out when he started to answer a question at some point too. I'll bet he's just kicking himself for not running in 2016.
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Bernie talked again about importing drugs from Canada. A quick search doesn't show many drugs being manufactured in Canada. Seems pretty fucking fishy, as we discussed in the other thread.
Warren, in particular, really seemed to dodge that when Biden kid-punched her personally.2. The other Dem candidates want Medicare for all with no clue how to pay for it, so Biden is the only one that is realistic on the topic in many ways.
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Importation from Canada really means from India. But I've done it for years (Uloric) and it has worked out fine. I have saved tens of thousands of dollars on this one compound.
My Pravachol from Costco was made in India. Big whooping deal
My Pravachol from Costco was made in India. Big whooping deal
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Maybe we need a Healthcare News and Views thread.
I woke up from a nap to hear a story about ants feeding on a Vietnam veteran in a V.A. hospital.
wtf
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pent ... al-for-va/
I woke up from a nap to hear a story about ants feeding on a Vietnam veteran in a V.A. hospital.
wtf
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pent ... al-for-va/
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This is a few days old now, but it’s just good.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lim33dV_jfc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lim33dV_jfc
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For people buying drugs from India...here's a pretty scary article to gulp down with your Valsartan:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... st-the-fda
Importing drugs from Canada is a crazy idea. The reason Bernie wants to do it is that Canada's government negotiates prices with the pharmaceuticals, which means they don't pay the market rates charged in the US. Removing the gag order that prevents CMS from doing the same here would be a much more direct and logical approach. The effort currently underway to limit the ability to artificially extend drug patents by tweaking formulations (e.g. the "extended release" dodge) is also quite sensible.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features ... st-the-fda
Importing drugs from Canada is a crazy idea. The reason Bernie wants to do it is that Canada's government negotiates prices with the pharmaceuticals, which means they don't pay the market rates charged in the US. Removing the gag order that prevents CMS from doing the same here would be a much more direct and logical approach. The effort currently underway to limit the ability to artificially extend drug patents by tweaking formulations (e.g. the "extended release" dodge) is also quite sensible.
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Tim Pool's pretty fired up.
Dude Raises $1M For Charity, So Woke Journalist Digs Up 8 Year Old Tweets To DESTROY Him, Disgusting
Woke Journalist Who Dug up 8 Year Old Tweets From Carson King FIRED??! Cancel Culture BACKFIRES
I can't help but wonder if the zeitgeist is starting to turn on the SJWs.
Dude Raises $1M For Charity, So Woke Journalist Digs Up 8 Year Old Tweets To DESTROY Him, Disgusting
Woke Journalist Who Dug up 8 Year Old Tweets From Carson King FIRED??! Cancel Culture BACKFIRES
I can't help but wonder if the zeitgeist is starting to turn on the SJWs.
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