The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

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Post by Maddy » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:13 am

I've never been sure what is meant by "post-modernism," so I looked it up:
Postmodernism, also spelled post-modernism, in Western philosophy, a late 20th-century movement characterized by broad skepticism, subjectivism, or relativism; a general suspicion of reason; and an acute sensitivity to the role of ideology in asserting and maintaining political and economic power.
(From the on-line Encyclopedia Brittanica)

Isn't this precisely the agenda of "cultural shaping" that was laid out by political theorist Cleon Skousen in his 1958 book "The Naked Communist?" It was not proposed as a viable form of governance or even a legitimate cultural phenomenon, but rather as a tool for undermining and dismantling a culture and system of government.
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Post by sophie » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:47 am

I used to think of the left as being kinder to individuals, while Republicans were cold-hearted corporate shills. The Left recognized that people can have misfortunes e.g. they can get sick or get into accidents, and that the measure of a person is not the extent to which they can avoid these things. They also advocated treating people fairly regardless of social class or physical characteristics. Like, treat women with basic respect in the workplace, don't beat up gay people for being gay, and don't lynch black people or treat them as if they were cattle. Republicans, on the other hand, seemed to be about letting people starve and throwing Grandma into the snow headfirst, in order to preserve corporate profits. Onto this was added a layer of religious fundamentalism entwined with an overtone of bigotry that I found scary not to mention a major threat to the Constitution's religious liberty guarantee.

Maybe this was wrong-headed, but it was a fairly widespread perception. Now, those admirable liberal positions have morphed into something that feels completely sinister to me. Now it's about elevating certain groups to the level of hero-worship and from this, having carte blanche to destroy people, careers, and public institutions. Even worse is the idea of legislating or discriminating based on thoughts and opinions. Maybe it was always this way and it's just gotten harder core so that I finally noticed this dark side.

The extreme quality of this platform as it is now is bound to create serious divides. I don't think it's a civil war "between Constitutions" so much as an outright attack on society and government that you are either going to be for (if you are still living with the perception of the Democratic Party that I used to have) or against (if you've picked up on that dark side). Not picking up on the dark side is rather understandable given the role of the press in pushing that extreme agenda. If it weren't for that, I suspect there would be a lot more people in the "against" column.
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Post by Maddy » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:59 am

It's a painful stretch to call this a "civil war." In fact it's about as goofy as calling a two-year-old's tantrum a family crisis.
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Post by dualstow » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:00 pm

Sophie, I think your perception in the first paragraph was truly accurate in its time.
I suppose everything gets corrupted and falls apart eventually.
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Post by jacksonM » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:45 pm

sophie wrote:
Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:47 am
I used to think of the left as being kinder to individuals, while Republicans were cold-hearted corporate shills. The Left recognized that people can have misfortunes e.g. they can get sick or get into accidents, and that the measure of a person is not the extent to which they can avoid these things. They also advocated treating people fairly regardless of social class or physical characteristics. Like, treat women with basic respect in the workplace, don't beat up gay people for being gay, and don't lynch black people or treat them as if they were cattle. Republicans, on the other hand, seemed to be about letting people starve and throwing Grandma into the snow headfirst, in order to preserve corporate profits. Onto this was added a layer of religious fundamentalism entwined with an overtone of bigotry that I found scary not to mention a major threat to the Constitution's religious liberty guarantee.

Maybe this was wrong-headed, but it was a fairly widespread perception. Now, those admirable liberal positions have morphed into something that feels completely sinister to me. Now it's about elevating certain groups to the level of hero-worship and from this, having carte blanche to destroy people, careers, and public institutions. Even worse is the idea of legislating or discriminating based on thoughts and opinions. Maybe it was always this way and it's just gotten harder core so that I finally noticed this dark side.

The extreme quality of this platform as it is now is bound to create serious divides. I don't think it's a civil war "between Constitutions" so much as an outright attack on society and government that you are either going to be for (if you are still living with the perception of the Democratic Party that I used to have) or against (if you've picked up on that dark side). Not picking up on the dark side is rather understandable given the role of the press in pushing that extreme agenda. If it weren't for that, I suspect there would be a lot more people in the "against" column.
And I used to think of Democrats as abortion loving, freedom hating, supreme court nominee smearing, leave a woman to drown in a car and get away with it, hypocrites.
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Post by dualstow » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:40 am

Great article on extremists on the left and how they just don’t listen anymore. No debate.

https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/psycho ... hostility/
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Whats the problem with abortion?
We’ve got at least one heated thread on that. O0

Here’s one - viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6457
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Post by jacksonM » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:40 am

Sorry to have brought up the subject of abortion.

What I was trying to say in my post about Democrats is that for years I voted the way Sophie did, just from the opposite end of the spectrum. It wasn't so much that I favored Republicans but that Democrats disgusted me. Learned my lesson in 2000 when I voted against Gore and look what we got instead. One thing I liked about Trump was his audacity in calling GWB a disaster, something most Republicans don't want to admit. Eventually I became just as disgusted with Republicans, but not for Sophie's reasons. Though I didn't vote either for or against Kerry or Obama, it was hard to imagine them doing more harm to the country than a second Bush term or McCain or Romney.

Voted against Clinton and for Trump in 2016 and I still think that was probably a good choice although Trump is turning into a big disappointment. His non-interventionist talk about not being the policeman of the world, disbanding NATO, etc, is turning out to be as much of a farce as Bush's "Humble foreign policy". Unfortunately, I think Clinton would have been even worse. And as for the key issue of immigration, the Republicans have had complete control of the government now for two years so do you think they are actually going to ever do anything about it except to use it as a campaign issue in 2020 after the Democrats win the house next week?

But meanwhile, back to current events ....

What's going to happen on the border when/if the migrant caravan arrive? Who is paying for them? How will it affect the election?

Who is sending those pipe bombs? Is it a false flag operation? (I see they just caught him so everyone will be waiting to find out what his motivation was).

If the Dems take the house will Trump be impeached?

Was watching the new season of "The Man in the High Castle" last night when it occurred to me that our current "real world" is getting to be just as interesting as a fictional TV show. And I mean "interesting" in the Chinese proverb way.

Personally, I would prefer things to be a little more boring.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:09 pm

jacksonM wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:40 am
Who is sending those pipe bombs? Is it a false flag operation? (I see they just caught him so everyone will be waiting to find out what his motivation was).
Just as I suspected.

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Post by dualstow » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:38 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:09 pm
Just as I suspected.

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O0 I just laughed out loud, startling the missus.
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Post by sophie » Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:48 am

Remember the Good Old Days when the real news was dull, and people secretly enjoyed picking up the National Enquirer on the grocery store checkout line to read about alien bugs the size of Volkswagens invading Delaware?

I haven't seen the Enquirer in a long time, but I don't need it now that the "real" news organizations read just like this.

Also jacksonM...how could I forgotten about the Iraq War debacle!!! That was another major Republican feature/bug: a fundamental inability to identify the difference between reality and "spin". That's apparently now shifted to the Democrats.
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Re: The Left is Eating Itself Pt. II

Post by jacksonM » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:46 am

Scary thought of the day....

Given Newton's third law, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, what will be the effect of the pipe bomb incident on the psyches of those on the far left?
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Post by Libertarian666 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:21 pm

jacksonM wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:46 am
Scary thought of the day....

Given Newton's third law, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, what will be the effect of the pipe bomb incident on the psyches of those on the far left?
None.

Their TDS is already stage 4.
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Post by jacksonM » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:39 am

Libertarian666 wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:21 pm
jacksonM wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:46 am
Scary thought of the day....

Given Newton's third law, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, what will be the effect of the pipe bomb incident on the psyches of those on the far left?
None.

Their TDS is already stage 4.
Did you see Pat Buchanan's article today, comparing the violence of 2018 to that of 50 years ago? An interesting trip down memory lane for me and probably for you too.
According to Bryan Burrough, author of “Days of Rage, America’s Radical Underground, the FBI, and the Forgotten Age of Revolutionary Violence,” “During an 18-month period in 1971 and 1972, the FBI reported more than 2,500 bombings on U.S. soil, nearly 5 a day.”

No, 2018 is not 1968, at least not yet.


Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2018/10/is-this-wor ... 960VJil.99
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:39 pm

At my new employee meeting, I was told that my new employer was a "mostly white male" profession, which "is definitely a problem we're trying to fix."

Thanks for the warm welcome!
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Post by dualstow » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:48 am

Geez.
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Post by dualstow » Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:22 am

I don’t know if this is exactly the right thread, until you get to the end and find the source of the poop.

https://patch.com/georgia/snellville/ma ... lta-flight
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Post by sophie » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:09 am

Great story to read over breakfast :-)

Emotional support animals might be an artifact of political correctness, but a very Republican-leaning (and early-retired) friend of mine got her dog that certification. She wanted to bring her on a long trip, and didn't want to trust her to the tender mercies of United Airlines. It was super easy to get a doctor to sign off on it. All she had to do was claim that flying makes her anxious.

Actually here's an even easier and cheaper way to do it:

https://waggy.pet/specialoffer29/?campa ... w3EALw_wcB

That is, if you can stop laughing long enough to click on the link!

It was similarly easy for my mom to get a handicap parking tag, even though she could probably outrun half the US population and mostly won't use the tag. I just figured that anyone over age 80 deserves a good parking space.
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Post by dualstow » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:41 am

sophie wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:09 am
Great story to read over breakfast :-)
Isn’t it though? O0
Yeah, most articles say it is easy enough to get your pet certified online, but yours is the first link I’ve seen.

Octogenarians *do*need a good parking space!
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:01 am

Democratic Socialist Candidate Under Fire For Calling Constituents Racist

"I just look at my district, right? And it’s 93 percent white. My district, which I know is like white working class, poor folk, who are racist, because it’s so much easier for them to look to their side and say, ‘I’m going to blame that person.'”

Leftists say the darndest things when they're running unopposed ??? The district she ran in has voted Democrat for the last 50 years, the current leftist "everyone is raciss" meme is well-enough embedded at this point that they'll level it on pretty much everyone.
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Post by dualstow » Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:10 am

kriegs,
That Peter Thiel clip you posted was dead on.
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:35 am

I listened to it several times. I think one of his crotch punches might help explain how the groundwork was laid for our current situation (paraphrasing):
The radicals of the 60s got their PhDs in the 70s and were associate professors in the 80s and they have tenure in the 90s and are going to be with us for a long, long time.
Thiel is a smart dude who's auto tendencies help understand the world.
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Post by dualstow » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:03 am

https://www.dailywire.com/news/39751/le ... nk-berrien
You can be gay, intern in the Obama White House, work on Barack Obama’s reelection campaign, and serve as the Silicon Valley fundraising director for the Clinton presidential campaign in 2016, but if you also happen to be Jewish and support the existence of Israel, hard leftists want you gone, as 29-year-old Manny Yekutiel found out the hard way when he opened a café/bookstore in San Francisco’s Mission District.
“Blackfacing and pinkwashing”? :-/
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Post by dualstow » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:01 am

Apparently, all he did to incur their wrath was to say "Happy 70th Birthday, Israel" on his facebook page.
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Post by I Shrugged » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:38 am

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... too-white/

California organizers of womens march cancel it because it is deemed to be too white.
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