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Will Trump be Re-elected?

Trump is more effective than people are willing to admit [ala Scott Adams] and will be re-elected.
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Hillary will run again in 2020, and thus Trump will beat her again.
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Trump will cause the GOP to lose one or both houses of congress in the mid-term elections.
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The Dems in congress will be so insufferable, Trumps wins by a small margin despite them.
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Trump will choose not to run for re-election, since he never really wanted the job anyway.
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Trump is a disaster and will lose by a landslide.
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Trump will not only lose, but will lose to a candidate so far to the left that people will wish he'd stayed.
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Other, please elaborate.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:48 am

dualstow wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:33 pm
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm
He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
There is another possibility.
Perhaps Donald Trump gets off on being the most powerful human on the planet.
He wouldn’t be the first.
Now I know, in his case, ego is not an issue, but maybe....
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:10 pm
I'm sure Trump gets off on that but has there been a president, at least in modern times, that you couldn't say that about?
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Nowadays it seems like like some degree of psychopathology is simply a job requirement.
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:14 pm
Ok, maybe he does.
That doesn't distinguish him particularly from most other Presidents.
It certainly doesn't make him uniquely terrible as a President.
Like I said, he wouldn’t be the first.
I was responding specifically to your premise above, tech, which I put in blue font, that the reason Trump is not living his old life of luxury is because he cares so much about his subjects. No, he’s bending America to the shape he wants, which is something we should expect, but let’s just say it.

Sure, he needs a critical number of voters with some overlap in sentiment, but I don’t accept for a second that he cares about them, much less the other half of the population.

The man has a vast supply of energy and drive. I’ll give him that.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:21 am

dualstow wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:48 am
dualstow wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:33 pm
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm
He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
There is another possibility.
Perhaps Donald Trump gets off on being the most powerful human on the planet.
He wouldn’t be the first.
Now I know, in his case, ego is not an issue, but maybe....
jacksonm2 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:10 pm
I'm sure Trump gets off on that but has there been a president, at least in modern times, that you couldn't say that about?
< snip >
Nowadays it seems like like some degree of psychopathology is simply a job requirement.
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:14 pm
Ok, maybe he does.
That doesn't distinguish him particularly from most other Presidents.
It certainly doesn't make him uniquely terrible as a President.
Like I said, he wouldn’t be the first.
I was responding specifically to your premise above, tech, which I put in blue font, that the reason Trump is not living his old life of luxury is because he cares so much about his subjects. No, he’s bending America to the shape he wants, which is something we should expect, but let’s just say it.

Sure, he needs a critical number of voters with some overlap in sentiment, but I don’t accept for a second that he cares about them, much less the other half of the population.
I don't see any necessary conflict between those two claims. Why can't he want to shape America at least partly because he cares about his supporters?
dualstow wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:48 am
The man has a vast supply of energy and drive. I’ll give him that.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by sophie » Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:43 am

It's so easy to be an armchair psychologist, but remember that your sources of unbiased information about Donald Trump as a person are very, very limited. I have no idea what his personality, work habits etc are like, and neither do any of you. Remember how George Bush was always in Texas cutting switchgrass? Being President would burn out most of us, and decompressing is something I'm glad they're able to do.

The one reliable fact that can be distilled from news reports is the very high rate of people quitting the administration. I don't know how much of this is due to the increasing pressure cooker that Washington has become in general, or the effects of having to fight most of Washington and various ongoing investigations constantly, Trump's rages and interpersonal issues, or someone else's rages and interpersonal issues. To the extent that it's Trump, that is most definitely a concern for his re-election - which is compounded if he's making unilateral off the cuff decisions with essentially no input from his staff.

I tend to think that the other possibilities contribute significantly though. The fact is that Washington insiders are mad as hell that he was elected in the first place, and they started pummeling him in rage/revenge starting practically on day 1. It was very striking to me how the voters were expected to do as they were told, and it just felt so good to see things turn out differently. This is probably wrong of me, but whenever the mainstream media gives an opinion on X, I instantly assume that what's actually best is Not X.

Oh, and for an example of the above, check out what our darling mayor & council (NYC) has managed to pull off for today:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/nyre ... n-nyc.html

There are some French Michelin star restaurants in the this city that probably will have something to say about this. Go Daniel Boulud.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by pugchief » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:54 am

sophie wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:43 am

check out what our darling mayor & council (NYC) has managed to pull off for today:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/nyre ... n-nyc.html

There are some French Michelin star restaurants in the this city that probably will have something to say about this. Go Daniel Boulud.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:55 am

tech,

You see stuff like this and it either means 1) he really is dumb and doesn't understand or 2) he really doesn't care about his base, most likely many of whom rely on pensions that can't get squat in investment return in safe instruments.

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And, these tweets are just another indication, he is a one man show. I really don't want the country run by one guy. You want to believe he is draining the swamp, but if that's actually happening, he's also draining the swamp of many people who actually know what they are doing (or try), without just shooting from the hip.

He is better and smarter than the Fed chair, than CEOs, better than the generals, has the highest IQ, great and unmatched wisdom, etc.

Tired....
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by flyingpylon » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:58 pm

Budd, if you hate gold so much... oops, wrong thread... or is it?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:02 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:58 pm
Budd, if you hate gold so much... oops, wrong thread... or is it?
What should I do? Leave the country? :D

I can't divest myself of Trump for about a year...
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by flyingpylon » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:48 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:02 pm
flyingpylon wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:58 pm
Budd, if you hate gold so much... oops, wrong thread... or is it?
What should I do? Leave the country? :D

I can't divest myself of Trump for about a year...
One option would be to stop allowing Trump to live rent-free in your head and then just vote accordingly in 2020.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:05 pm

Talk about 180 degree opposite conclusions from the same news?!

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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by pugchief » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:13 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:05 pm
Talk about 180 degree opposite conclusions from the same news?!

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Notice how CNN's link and headline are in bold, while Fox's is in much smaller font? This is not coincidence, this is Google filtering news the way they want you to see it.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by vnatale » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:26 pm

technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:22 pm
vnatale wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:38 pm
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm


He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
Is it possible he is "attacked" so because he deserves to be? Some of us believe that the media has been way too mild on him given the unprecedented number of documented lies he has made.

We just seem to live in two different worlds.

To me, he is not of high intellect. Not dumb but I see no signs of exceptional intelligence.

Terrible character. Don't see anything admirable about him. If you had a daughter would be in high in your choices of potential husbands?

The lies. If you and I personally knew one another and you lied to me just once you'd forever be on probation with me and possibly never believed. You'd certainly never get any benefits of the doubt.

His work habits are terrible. Again, would you want him as your boss?

His decision making process is terrible. Seemingly by whimsy with almost no serious study.

I could go on and on and on. But I'm sure you are happy I'll choosing to stop here.

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1. Intelligence:
Considering the opposition he faces, to accomplish anything at all he must be either extremely intelligent, or the luckiest man in the world.
I think the former is much more likely.

2. Character:
If his character is so terrible, how could he be subjected to a completely unlimited witch hunt for several years and have that witch hunt end with absolutely nothing?

3. Lies:
He has made a number of jokes and some exaggerations (called "puffery" in advertising). I haven't heard him make a single statement that I would consider a lie of any significance.

4. His work habits:
He works harder than anyone I know. He gets about 3 hours of sleep a night and works at least twice as much as any other President I've lived under.

5. His decision making process:
He has excellent instincts and has made very few mistakes that I can recall, other than choosing subordinates, and in many of those cases he was undoubtedly misadvised by swamp creatures to get him to hire the wrong people.

Hope that helps.
1. Intelligence:
His accomplishments? Don't forget that for the first two years he was aided by the Republicans in controlling all three branches of government. When have they not supported him?

2. Character:
NO witch hunt. Not enough has been done in this regard. And, this process is FAR from ending. For the last hour I've been listening on C-Span to today's "Impeachment Inquire Rules" as discussed in the House of Representatives.

3. Lies:
I could go on and on and on and on producing URL's like this. But I'll confine myself to just three. And, were there any URLs like this related to President Obama?

https://www.politifact.com/personalitie ... ing/false/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... -lies.html
https://www.dailywire.com/news/trumps-1 ... nk-berrien

4. Work habits:
My impression is that he spends a lot of time watching TV, ambles down to the office around 11 AM, spends a ton of time golfing. He engages in no study time in arriving at a decision.

5. His decision making process:
Who is the last president who has had such a turnover in his cabinet?

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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by vnatale » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:32 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:00 am
tech, I am glad to see your points because it helps me stay balanced. I have been leaning far to the left lately.

Only item I will dispute here is 4. Work Habits. I don't know, maybe he does work 18 hours a day. But the hypocrisy of his pre-president tweets at Obama golfing so much, and the amount of golfing he does putting that to shame is the kind of stuff I hate out of Washington.

You have a good point on #2, they still haven't nailed him with anything substantial.
Here is an article regarding his work habits.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42610275

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