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Will Trump be Re-elected?

Trump is more effective than people are willing to admit [ala Scott Adams] and will be re-elected.
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Hillary will run again in 2020, and thus Trump will beat her again.
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Trump will cause the GOP to lose one or both houses of congress in the mid-term elections.
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The Dems in congress will be so insufferable, Trumps wins by a small margin despite them.
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Trump will choose not to run for re-election, since he never really wanted the job anyway.
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Trump is a disaster and will lose by a landslide.
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Trump will not only lose, but will lose to a candidate so far to the left that people will wish he'd stayed.
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Other, please elaborate.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:43 am

vnatale wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:24 am
Well may be one of the reasons. But is he doing it? Are any non-Elites represented in his Cabinet? Is he NOT a servant of the Elites? Is not serving his own interests (as, perhaps, himself being one of the Elites)?

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shekels wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:16 am
vnatale wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:10 am
Some truth in the picture. However we do have these corporations who write all the rules and control the country for their benefit first, ours second.

Vinny

That IMHO is why Trump was elected.
To shift away from the Elites Control.
Half a loaf is better than no bread.

It is Unfortunate he is not surrounded by Non elites,
But when the Elites run the country I expect it.

But look at the establishment Never Trumpers that have Seem to come around.
Except maybe Pierre Delecto.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:09 pm

technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:05 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:54 am
Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 am


Family. Sanctity of life. Biological birth sex of humans. Individual responsibility. God. Bill of Rights. Trustworthy politicians. Selflessness.
Mountaineer, I respect your positions and I know you are a religious man.

But, Trump is a trustworthy politician? And selfless? Certainly that is a great goal of all politicians, but he scores zero on both of those and is not helping the continuing situation where we don't debate anymore, we label and hate those who don't agree with us.
Trustworthy? I believe him much more than I believe any other politician other than possibly Ron Paul and Rand Paul. Score: 9/10.
Selfless? He gave up a life of ease and comfort to do battle with the forces of evil. Score: 9/10.
And I have Trump Derangement Syndrome? ;) I'll give you the trustworthy portion, although his day to day memory/telling of what he did or did not say hours or days before is questionable.

but...

self·less·ness
noun

concern more with the needs and wishes of others than with one's own.
"a noble act of selflessness"

I don't think so.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:09 pm
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:05 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:54 am


Mountaineer, I respect your positions and I know you are a religious man.

But, Trump is a trustworthy politician? And selfless? Certainly that is a great goal of all politicians, but he scores zero on both of those and is not helping the continuing situation where we don't debate anymore, we label and hate those who don't agree with us.
Trustworthy? I believe him much more than I believe any other politician other than possibly Ron Paul and Rand Paul. Score: 9/10.
Selfless? He gave up a life of ease and comfort to do battle with the forces of evil. Score: 9/10.
And I have Trump Derangement Syndrome? ;) I'll give you the trustworthy portion, although his day to day memory/telling of what he did or did not say hours or days before is questionable.

but...

self·less·ness
noun

concern more with the needs and wishes of others than with one's own.
"a noble act of selflessness"

I don't think so.
He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:33 pm

technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm
He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
There is another possibility.
Perhaps Donald Trump gets off on being the most powerful human on the planet.
He wouldn’t be the first.
Now I know, in his case, ego is not an issue, but maybe....
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by jacksonm2 » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:10 pm

dualstow wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:33 pm
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm
He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
There is another possibility.
Perhaps Donald Trump gets off on being the most powerful human on the planet.
He wouldn’t be the first.
Now I know, in his case, ego is not an issue, but maybe....
I'm sure Trump gets off on that but has there been a president, at least in modern times, that you couldn't say that about?

Garfield seems to have been a truly reluctant president, based on the biographies that I have read, but that was back in the time before the American empire.

Nowadays it seems like like some degree of psychopathology is simply a job requirement.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by vnatale » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:27 pm

technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:02 am
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I don’t want to put words in your mouth. You think the birth certificate presented was not genuine?
Right.


On what basis?

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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by vnatale » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:38 pm

technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm


He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
Is it possible he is "attacked" so because he deserves to be? Some of us believe that the media has been way too mild on him given the unprecedented number of documented lies he has made.

We just seem to live in two different worlds.

To me, he is not of high intellect. Not dumb but I see no signs of exceptional intelligence.

Terrible character. Don't see anything admirable about him. If you had a daughter would be in high in your choices of potential husbands?

The lies. If you and I personally knew one another and you lied to me just once you'd forever be on probation with me and possibly never believed. You'd certainly never get any benefits of the doubt.

His work habits are terrible. Again, would you want him as your boss?

His decision making process is terrible. Seemingly by whimsy with almost no serious study.

I could go on and on and on. But I'm sure you are happy I'll choosing to stop here.

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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by vnatale » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:41 pm

dualstow wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:33 pm
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm
He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
There is another possibility.
Perhaps Donald Trump gets off on being the most powerful human on the planet.
He wouldn’t be the first.
Now I know, in his case, ego is not an issue, but maybe....
Of course it is a major, major, major reason! Why else could both Biden and Bernie be running. Do each of them truly believe that at their advanced ages (actually they'd become president past the current expectancy age for U.S. males - let that sink in!) that they are the BEST candidate in our entire country. For each of them it HAS to be PURE ego as their major reasons for running. And, it's just one of the reasons why I detest both of them.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by vnatale » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:44 pm

jacksonm2 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:10 pm
dualstow wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:33 pm
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm
He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
There is another possibility.
Perhaps Donald Trump gets off on being the most powerful human on the planet.
He wouldn’t be the first.
Now I know, in his case, ego is not an issue, but maybe....
I'm sure Trump gets off on that but has there been a president, at least in modern times, that you couldn't say that about?

Garfield seems to have been a truly reluctant president, based on the biographies that I have read, but that was back in the time before the American empire.

Nowadays it seems like like some degree of psychopathology is simply a job requirement.
For anyone to run for president and put themselves and their families through all they have to go through there would, of course, have to be a healthy amount of ego involved. However, once in the job, some of them have seriously taken on their responsibilities and set aside that ego. Two that quickly come to mind are Truman (wasn't he called the "accidental president" and Coolidge). Coolidge seemed to be ZERO ego and ALL getting the work done.

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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:14 pm

dualstow wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:33 pm
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm
He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
There is another possibility.
Perhaps Donald Trump gets off on being the most powerful human on the planet.
He wouldn’t be the first.
Now I know, in his case, ego is not an issue, but maybe....
Ok, maybe he does.
That doesn't distinguish him particularly from most other Presidents.
It certainly doesn't make him uniquely terrible as a President.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:22 pm

vnatale wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:38 pm
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:15 pm


He had a fine life before he ran for President. Now he is attacked 24/7 by the vast majority of the media as well as the other Democrats.
Yet he is continuing to try to fulfill the promises he made to his supporters, when he could much more easily give up and go back to his previous life.
Sounds like he is more concerned with the needs and wishes of his supporters than his own.
Is it possible he is "attacked" so because he deserves to be? Some of us believe that the media has been way too mild on him given the unprecedented number of documented lies he has made.

We just seem to live in two different worlds.

To me, he is not of high intellect. Not dumb but I see no signs of exceptional intelligence.

Terrible character. Don't see anything admirable about him. If you had a daughter would be in high in your choices of potential husbands?

The lies. If you and I personally knew one another and you lied to me just once you'd forever be on probation with me and possibly never believed. You'd certainly never get any benefits of the doubt.

His work habits are terrible. Again, would you want him as your boss?

His decision making process is terrible. Seemingly by whimsy with almost no serious study.

I could go on and on and on. But I'm sure you are happy I'll choosing to stop here.

Vinny
1. Intelligence:
Considering the opposition he faces, to accomplish anything at all he must be either extremely intelligent, or the luckiest man in the world.
I think the former is much more likely.

2. Character:
If his character is so terrible, how could he be subjected to a completely unlimited witch hunt for several years and have that witch hunt end with absolutely nothing?

3. Lies:
He has made a number of jokes and some exaggerations (called "puffery" in advertising). I haven't heard him make a single statement that I would consider a lie of any significance.

4. His work habits:
He works harder than anyone I know. He gets about 3 hours of sleep a night and works at least twice as much as any other President I've lived under.

5. His decision making process:
He has excellent instincts and has made very few mistakes that I can recall, other than choosing subordinates, and in many of those cases he was undoubtedly misadvised by swamp creatures to get him to hire the wrong people.

Hope that helps.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:00 am

tech, I am glad to see your points because it helps me stay balanced. I have been leaning far to the left lately.

Only item I will dispute here is 4. Work Habits. I don't know, maybe he does work 18 hours a day. But the hypocrisy of his pre-president tweets at Obama golfing so much, and the amount of golfing he does putting that to shame is the kind of stuff I hate out of Washington.

You have a good point on #2, they still haven't nailed him with anything substantial.
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