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Will Trump be Re-elected?

Trump is more effective than people are willing to admit [ala Scott Adams] and will be re-elected.
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Hillary will run again in 2020, and thus Trump will beat her again.
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Trump will cause the GOP to lose one or both houses of congress in the mid-term elections.
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The Dems in congress will be so insufferable, Trumps wins by a small margin despite them.
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Trump will choose not to run for re-election, since he never really wanted the job anyway.
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Trump is a disaster and will lose by a landslide.
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Trump will not only lose, but will lose to a candidate so far to the left that people will wish he'd stayed.
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Other, please elaborate.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Mountaineer » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:24 am
Maddy wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 am
Cortopassi wrote:
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Anyone here have kids in the house, say age 5-18? I cringe thinking about how he represents America and himself and how that might affect what they think about right and wrong. A simple point is how quickly he turns on anyone who has any level of disagreement with him. There's no level headed debate. You instantly end up being called a loser, in the gutter, and earn a 5th grade bully nickname.
Really? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.

What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
I absolutely could be wrong, but it is the main thing for me. I am fine with many of his positions and much of what he's trying to accomplish. But, rightly or wrongly, I do not care because his methods "trump" his accomplishments for me. I know, it is illogical.

And, no disrespect, but what values and culture are being destroyed in your opinion?
Family. Sanctity of life. Biological birth sex of humans. Individual responsibility. God. Bill of Rights. Trustworthy politicians. Selflessness.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:38 am

boglerdude wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:22 pm
The trumpsters here are goldbugs right, but if he could get his hands on the printing press he'd crank it all the way up, no?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comm ... and_urges/
Yes, The printing press or something to that effect. Nobody is Perfect right ? :o
Trump has Treasury Sec. Steve Mnuchin that is a former Goldman Sachs guy, so that is probably where he is coming from.
Along with looking at Liquidity from a Business/Real estate point of view and not a Savers point of view.
So I see them looking for the next quarter numbers.
Liquidity is the fuel for the Markets.(until is isn't)
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:54 am

Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:24 am
Maddy wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 am

Really? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.

What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
I absolutely could be wrong, but it is the main thing for me. I am fine with many of his positions and much of what he's trying to accomplish. But, rightly or wrongly, I do not care because his methods "trump" his accomplishments for me. I know, it is illogical.

And, no disrespect, but what values and culture are being destroyed in your opinion?
Family. Sanctity of life. Biological birth sex of humans. Individual responsibility. God. Bill of Rights. Trustworthy politicians. Selflessness.
Mountaineer, I respect your positions and I know you are a religious man.

But, Trump is a trustworthy politician? And selfless? Certainly that is a great goal of all politicians, but he scores zero on both of those and is not helping the continuing situation where we don't debate anymore, we label and hate those who don't agree with us.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by vnatale » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:00 am

Yes. I echo the questions regarding..."trustworthy" "selflessness". And, not Trump but due to the actions of a fellow Republican....was the Iraq War an example of the "Sanctity of life". How many lives, both in Iraq and our country, were tremendously negatively affected by that needless war?

Vinny

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:54 am
Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:24 am


I absolutely could be wrong, but it is the main thing for me. I am fine with many of his positions and much of what he's trying to accomplish. But, rightly or wrongly, I do not care because his methods "trump" his accomplishments for me. I know, it is illogical.

And, no disrespect, but what values and culture are being destroyed in your opinion?
Family. Sanctity of life. Biological birth sex of humans. Individual responsibility. God. Bill of Rights. Trustworthy politicians. Selflessness.
Mountaineer, I respect your positions and I know you are a religious man.

But, Trump is a trustworthy politician? And selfless? Certainly that is a great goal of all politicians, but he scores zero on both of those and is not helping the continuing situation where we don't debate anymore, we label and hate those who don't agree with us.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:02 am

dualstow wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:13 am
I don’t want to put words in your mouth. You think the birth certificate presented was not genuine?
Right.
dualstow wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:13 am
Didn’t that actor/comedian from MadTV (Ike B-something. Barenholtz?) grow up with him in or near Chicago?
I have no idea.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:03 am

Maddy wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:59 pm
Anyone here have kids in the house, say age 5-18? I cringe thinking about how he represents America and himself and how that might affect what they think about right and wrong. A simple point is how quickly he turns on anyone who has any level of disagreement with him. There's no level headed debate. You instantly end up being called a loser, in the gutter, and earn a 5th grade bully nickname.
Really? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.

What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
Anything that interferes with the relentless attack of the left on the Constitution and American society in general is "unpresidential", according to the left.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:05 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:54 am
Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:24 am


I absolutely could be wrong, but it is the main thing for me. I am fine with many of his positions and much of what he's trying to accomplish. But, rightly or wrongly, I do not care because his methods "trump" his accomplishments for me. I know, it is illogical.

And, no disrespect, but what values and culture are being destroyed in your opinion?
Family. Sanctity of life. Biological birth sex of humans. Individual responsibility. God. Bill of Rights. Trustworthy politicians. Selflessness.
Mountaineer, I respect your positions and I know you are a religious man.

But, Trump is a trustworthy politician? And selfless? Certainly that is a great goal of all politicians, but he scores zero on both of those and is not helping the continuing situation where we don't debate anymore, we label and hate those who don't agree with us.
Trustworthy? I believe him much more than I believe any other politician other than possibly Ron Paul and Rand Paul. Score: 9/10.
Selfless? He gave up a life of ease and comfort to do battle with the forces of evil. Score: 9/10.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:06 am

technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:03 am
Maddy wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 am

Really? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.

What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
Anything that interferes with the relentless attack of the left on the Constitution and American society in general is "unpresidential", according to the left.
"Unpresidential"
That's a joke right?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by vnatale » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:10 am

Some truth in the picture. However we do have these corporations who write all the rules and control the country for their benefit first, ours second.

Vinny
shekels wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:06 am
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:03 am
Maddy wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 am

Really? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.

What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
Anything that interferes with the relentless attack of the left on the Constitution and American society in general is "unpresidential", according to the left.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:16 am

vnatale wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:10 am
Some truth in the picture. However we do have these corporations who write all the rules and control the country for their benefit first, ours second.

Vinny
shekels wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:06 am
technovelist wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:03 am


Anything that interferes with the relentless attack of the left on the Constitution and American society in general is "unpresidential", according to the left.
That IMHO is why Trump was elected.
To shift away from the Elites Control.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by vnatale » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:24 am

Well may be one of the reasons. But is he doing it? Are any non-Elites represented in his Cabinet? Is he NOT a servant of the Elites? Is not serving his own interests (as, perhaps, himself being one of the Elites)?

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shekels wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:16 am
vnatale wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:10 am
Some truth in the picture. However we do have these corporations who write all the rules and control the country for their benefit first, ours second.

Vinny
shekels wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:06 am
That IMHO is why Trump was elected.
To shift away from the Elites Control.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Mountaineer » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:32 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:54 am
Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:24 am


I absolutely could be wrong, but it is the main thing for me. I am fine with many of his positions and much of what he's trying to accomplish. But, rightly or wrongly, I do not care because his methods "trump" his accomplishments for me. I know, it is illogical.

And, no disrespect, but what values and culture are being destroyed in your opinion?
Family. Sanctity of life. Biological birth sex of humans. Individual responsibility. God. Bill of Rights. Trustworthy politicians. Selflessness.
Mountaineer, I respect your positions and I know you are a religious man.

But, Trump is a trustworthy politician? And selfless? Certainly that is a great goal of all politicians, but he scores zero on both of those and is not helping the continuing situation where we don't debate anymore, we label and hate those who don't agree with us.
My response about values being abolished by the culture were not about Trump, they were about "a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built" that was in an earlier post that is not captured in your quote above. The values I mentioned, other than the Bill of Rights, are the bedrock of society as evidenced by several thousand years of history and practice about what enables a somewhat functional society with hopefully, chaos and anarchy reduction, and very little on the fact that I believe the promises of our Trinitarian God. I further think that our Trinitarian God (whether you believe in Him or not) is in charge of all that is happening to achieve His good purposes whether we can understand them or not; you might even say He is giving us exactly what we, as an apparently increasingly Godless country, have wished for. Repentance and faith are a gifts from God, I hope He decides to give it to all of us with ears to hear.

However, since you asked my thoughts about Trump, I'll give my two cents. His morals appear to be sorely lacking, he appears to be very narcissistic (those two characteristics are merely reflections of much of our culture), he appears to value an exceptional America, he appears to put the American citizens (of which he is one) ahead of non-American citizens - both those within and those without our borders (those are reflections of our increasingly culture of the past). I'm not a believer in "the ends justify the means" but in the civil realm (not theological) I can only really evaluate Trump based on what he does, and what he appears to stand for, not primarily on what he says or tweets; in the theological realm, absolute judgement about Trump's heart, his faith, his beliefs, his morals is way above my paygrade and best left to God. Thus, overall, I would give Trump higher marks than most recent presidents for truly putting America closer to the values on which it was founded. I'm sure it is a thankless job, just look at how most presidents have "aged" while in office. I'm also quite sure there is way more to the picture than what is revealed to the majority of us. I'd also say he understands our "celebrity, entertainment, it's all about me" current culture better than any of his adversaries; Trump appears to daily play them like a chess master while they think they are playing checkers. I'm sure his adversaries are not dumb, they just can't see the big picture because of their preconceived notions about how great they are and their feces could not possibly stink so the swamp stench must not be due to themselves. ;)
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