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Will Trump be Re-elected?

Trump is more effective than people are willing to admit [ala Scott Adams] and will be re-elected.
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38%
Hillary will run again in 2020, and thus Trump will beat her again.
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Trump will cause the GOP to lose one or both houses of congress in the mid-term elections.
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The Dems in congress will be so insufferable, Trumps wins by a small margin despite them.
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Trump will choose not to run for re-election, since he never really wanted the job anyway.
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Trump is a disaster and will lose by a landslide.
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Trump will not only lose, but will lose to a candidate so far to the left that people will wish he'd stayed.
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Other, please elaborate.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by doodle » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:39 pm

I can understand someone who makes the argument that the ends justify the means when it comes to politics, but when it comes to Trump I'm not really sure what the end vision is. He is a horrible communicator, and his exaggeration which borders on ouright dishonesty makes me question even more what the truth is. If he can throw his weight around to influence NOAA scientists or pressure/bully the federal reserve who knows what to believe about any economic stats coming out of his executive departments. I'm no defender of the Democratic party...but it is so glaringly obvious how bad a leader he is that I frankly cannot understand how he still has 40 percent support. I started off as an optimist but his behavior has pushed me further and further away and I can no longer stomach his administration. I'm sorry shekels, when literally dozens of his staff come out and all say he is mentally unstable, (and then he tweets things about his great and unmatched wisdom....and talking about anihilitaing turkeys economy) it only provides first-hand evidence of how right they are. One doesn't even need to listen to others account of the man, just read his Twitter feed straight out of his mouth....if that isn't enough to convince you that he doesn't possess any leadership qualities much less a shred of dignity I don't know what will. At that point this becomes a religious debate and as he has said he could stand in fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose any voters....yep, our president actually said that....I guess you count among those.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by flyingpylon » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:23 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:21 pm
All I wanted... ...was someone who my kids and I could at least respect, if not look up to.
I'll admit I'm highly cynical, but this is where I think many people are simply expecting too much.

I also question how much respect and reverence of previous presidents and other officials is the result of subsequent myth-making vs reality.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:34 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:21 pm
All I wanted was a person who marginally improves the American condition, in whatever respects are important to you, and was someone who my kids and I could at least respect, if not look up to.

I think he's done some good things, but has failed on the debt, as it seems all presidents of either party fail. They all talk a good game before elected, then increase the debt with services or tax cuts or whatever.

On the second point he has been a disaster. If there truly are 30-40% of people out there who respect him, and are fine with the way he bullies and belittles people, and gives out middle school bully nicknames, I feel sorry for this country. He has done nothing to help unify the country. Democrats certainly have done nothing either.

They all suck (I think I ended a previous post with this as well) and we all deserve better, almost across the board.
I agree that the citizens deserve better.
But as the majority of citizens are expecting something for nothing, and voting for who promises them more
the Debt will keep rising.
As the citizens vote to raise their living standards,and who gives them the best deals
there will be Government there to provide.
So who is their right mind would want to be President that has the respect of the people? :D
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:40 pm

doodle wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:39 pm
I can understand someone who makes the argument that the ends justify the means when it comes to politics, but when it comes to Trump I'm not really sure what the end vision is. He is a horrible communicator, and his exaggeration which borders on ouright dishonesty makes me question even more what the truth is. If he can throw his weight around to influence NOAA scientists or pressure/bully the federal reserve who knows what to believe about any economic stats coming out of his executive departments. I'm no defender of the Democratic party...but it is so glaringly obvious how bad a leader he is that I frankly cannot understand how he still has 40 percent support. I started off as an optimist but his behavior has pushed me further and further away and I can no longer stomach his administration. I'm sorry shekels, when literally dozens of his staff come out and all say he is mentally unstable, (and then he tweets things about his great and unmatched wisdom....and talking about anihilitaing turkeys economy) it only provides first-hand evidence of how right they are. One doesn't even need to listen to others account of the man, just read his Twitter feed straight out of his mouth....if that isn't enough to convince you that he doesn't possess any leadership qualities much less a shred of dignity I don't know what will. At that point this becomes a religious debate and as he has said he could stand in fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose any voters....yep, our president actually said that....I guess you count among those.
I know what Trump said. But obviously you are not listening.
So Nancy can have a House Vote. but she has chosen not to Vote in the Impeachment matter. I ask again (WHY)?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by doodle » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:53 pm

shekels wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:40 pm
doodle wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:39 pm
I can understand someone who makes the argument that the ends justify the means when it comes to politics, but when it comes to Trump I'm not really sure what the end vision is. He is a horrible communicator, and his exaggeration which borders on ouright dishonesty makes me question even more what the truth is. If he can throw his weight around to influence NOAA scientists or pressure/bully the federal reserve who knows what to believe about any economic stats coming out of his executive departments. I'm no defender of the Democratic party...but it is so glaringly obvious how bad a leader he is that I frankly cannot understand how he still has 40 percent support. I started off as an optimist but his behavior has pushed me further and further away and I can no longer stomach his administration. I'm sorry shekels, when literally dozens of his staff come out and all say he is mentally unstable, (and then he tweets things about his great and unmatched wisdom....and talking about anihilitaing turkeys economy) it only provides first-hand evidence of how right they are. One doesn't even need to listen to others account of the man, just read his Twitter feed straight out of his mouth....if that isn't enough to convince you that he doesn't possess any leadership qualities much less a shred of dignity I don't know what will. At that point this becomes a religious debate and as he has said he could stand in fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose any voters....yep, our president actually said that....I guess you count among those.
I know what Trump said. But obviously you are not listening.
So Nancy can have a House Vote. but she has chosen not to Vote in the Impeachment matter. I ask again (WHY)?
I can't channel the inner thoughts of Nancy Pelosi but I imagine they feel there is a lot more evidence to be gathered. The administration is stonewalling the process to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if some members of administration are found to be in contempt ...like Mike Pompeo who thinks he can just ignore house oversight committees. The Watergate scandal played out over the course of a year, this might take a while.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by flyingpylon » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:15 pm

I’m not a Constitutional scholar, don’t play one on TV, and didn’t stay at a Holiday Inn last night. But this thread regarding the House “subpoenas” and their enforceability sounds interesting. No idea if it actually holds up.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1182 ... 98982.html
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:38 pm

doodle wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:53 pm
shekels wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:40 pm
doodle wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:39 pm
I can understand someone who makes the argument that the ends justify the means when it comes to politics, but when it comes to Trump I'm not really sure what the end vision is. He is a horrible communicator, and his exaggeration which borders on ouright dishonesty makes me question even more what the truth is. If he can throw his weight around to influence NOAA scientists or pressure/bully the federal reserve who knows what to believe about any economic stats coming out of his executive departments. I'm no defender of the Democratic party...but it is so glaringly obvious how bad a leader he is that I frankly cannot understand how he still has 40 percent support. I started off as an optimist but his behavior has pushed me further and further away and I can no longer stomach his administration. I'm sorry shekels, when literally dozens of his staff come out and all say he is mentally unstable, (and then he tweets things about his great and unmatched wisdom....and talking about anihilitaing turkeys economy) it only provides first-hand evidence of how right they are. One doesn't even need to listen to others account of the man, just read his Twitter feed straight out of his mouth....if that isn't enough to convince you that he doesn't possess any leadership qualities much less a shred of dignity I don't know what will. At that point this becomes a religious debate and as he has said he could stand in fifth avenue and shoot someone and not lose any voters....yep, our president actually said that....I guess you count among those.
I know what Trump said. But obviously you are not listening.
So Nancy can have a House Vote. but she has chosen not to Vote in the Impeachment matter. I ask again (WHY)?
I can't channel the inner thoughts of Nancy Pelosi but I imagine they feel there is a lot more evidence to be gathered. The administration is stonewalling the process to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if some members of administration are found to be in contempt ...like Mike Pompeo who thinks he can just ignore house oversight committees. The Watergate scandal played out over the course of a year, this might take a while.
Nancy wants to advance Public Sentiment to unseat the President of the United States.
After the Mueller investigation did not turn out like they wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXFW8mDQnk

As you can see the Nancy and her Messengers are doing a good job.
YOU already have the belief of stonewalling and possible contempt charges by the administration..

So without a vote, Nancy and her Media emissaries can Play out her staged performance in front of a willing audience.
and has stopped Trump and Administration to mount a forceful defense.

If a House vote is taken and the majority vote to impeach,then Nancy of course knows the Constitution specifies that an impeached President is entitled to a trial in the Senate.

So Nancy seems to be Wrapping herself up in the Constitution, and Rule of Law while denying a President and Administration a Defense.
Corrupt Politics, and half of the citizens are accepting The President of the United States should be Impeached/Removed.

according to your Link:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-ne ... mpeachment

So what are we to Expect when the Shoes are on the other Feet?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by I Shrugged » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:11 pm

flyingpylon wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:23 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:21 pm
All I wanted... ...was someone who my kids and I could at least respect, if not look up to.
I'll admit I'm highly cynical, but this is where I think many people are simply expecting too much.

I also question how much respect and reverence of previous presidents and other officials is the result of subsequent myth-making vs reality.
Exactly. We are conditioned to admire our Presidents. Go Team, Go! Most of them have been psychologically defective, or at a minimum, duplicitous swampers.
To me, Jimmy Carter is the most admirable of the past 60 years. But when he was in office I thought he was a well-meaning fool.

In any event, I think it is better to point out to one's kids the flaws of all of our politicians. Don't buy into the reverence for these bums.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by I Shrugged » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:17 pm

Is it just me, or is the crop of 2020 Dems unusually filled with liars? I don't try to memorize the offenses, but I'm pretty sure several of them have proven track records of lies. And I can think back to the same thing in other years. John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Hillary. Usually they are inflating their bona fides in some fashion. "I was running to the plane as bullets were flying overhead", "I was fired because I was pregnant", those types of things.

Is this more common with Dems? Or am I seeing only what I want to see?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by moda0306 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:41 pm

I Shrugged wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:17 pm
Is it just me, or is the crop of 2020 Dems unusually filled with liars? I don't try to memorize the offenses, but I'm pretty sure several of them have proven track records of lies. And I can think back to the same thing in other years. John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Hillary. Usually they are inflating their bona fides in some fashion. "I was running to the plane as bullets were flying overhead", "I was fired because I was pregnant", those types of things.

Is this more common with Dems? Or am I seeing only what I want to see?
There are plenty of bad traits on display, but I don’t think there is any Dem in the primary that lies more than Trump.

Overall I tend to feel like Republicans lie slightly more than dems.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by I Shrugged » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:39 pm

Presidents all are liars. Most of them aren’t as transparent about it as Trump. :)
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by jacksonm2 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:02 pm

moda0306 wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:41 pm
I Shrugged wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:17 pm
Is it just me, or is the crop of 2020 Dems unusually filled with liars? I don't try to memorize the offenses, but I'm pretty sure several of them have proven track records of lies. And I can think back to the same thing in other years. John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Hillary. Usually they are inflating their bona fides in some fashion. "I was running to the plane as bullets were flying overhead", "I was fired because I was pregnant", those types of things.

Is this more common with Dems? Or am I seeing only what I want to see?
There are plenty of bad traits on display, but I don’t think there is any Dem in the primary that lies more than Trump.

Overall I tend to feel like Republicans lie slightly more than dems.
Well, hot damn, would you be surprised if I told you I see things exactly the opposite? Probably not.

I don't recall any time when you could turn on the TV and get such completely different versions of the truth with people on both sides sounding as clear and convincing as anyone could be in presenting their version.

Makes you want to turn off the TV. Which maybe is a good idea but the circus can be addicting.
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