Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?
Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:46 pm
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Yeah, I've taken the red pill. The red pill shows me that little gets done by anyone where it really counts, lowering cost of medicine/medical care, reducing the debt and cutting back on military spending. They all just spend in different ways.shekels wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:46 pmhttps://nypost.com/2019/10/28/trump-rip ... n-protest/
So "You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:03 pmYeah, I've taken the red pill. The red pill shows me that little gets done by anyone where it really counts, lowering cost of medicine/medical care, reducing the debt and cutting back on military spending. They all just spend in different ways.
I think the historical question will always be asked, what more could Trump have gotten done if he just had a little bit less hubris, a little more humility, and a little more humanity to go along with his supposed great wisdom and amazing deal making skills.
His skills in building his real estate empire must have has a lot to do with being able to bully anyone and everyone to get his way. Doesn't work that way in Washington, or at least not forever.
***Hey, I know Chicago sucks. Do I need the president to tell me that, without offering anything constructive? No.***
I guess you were saying that tongue-in-cheek, but how do you feel about Trump’s birther antics when Obama was president?Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:33 pm If the Founders had wanted Presidential candidates to be forced to make their tax returns public, they would have put that in the Constitution.
MangoMan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:25 pmOne would think so. But not when you are a 'racist' if you don't agree with 100% of that SJW's opinions.vnatale wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:59 pm That's fairly much a different definition than the one that I found. However, since it is your word (which ( had never prior seen) we'll stick with your definition.
And, if it all that means: "Alert to injustice in society, especially racism", then I'd consider that an excellent value or trait to have.
It's not an extreme, it's a distortion.Of course anything taken to its extreme may not be a good thing. Perhaps that is what you are reacting to?
Correct. This identity politics is going on nationwide.Regarding your last sentence: " It is so pervasive in job hiring, college admissions, etc, that merit takes a back seat to identity politics the majority of the time these days." You are making a universal statement for the entire country? Or, in what the Democrats are saying? I assume it is the former?
Since you are a basketball fan, I'm not sure how you could be oblivious to all of this. The NBA and ESPN have basically staked their reputations on their wokeness. It turned out awful for ESPN and they are now trying to dig themselves out of the hole they dug by drastically changing company policy. The NBA is now feeling the first effects of their stupidity with the whole China/Hong Kong mess, but their revenue and ratings have already been in a downward trajectory for years. Politics have no place in sports.
dualstow wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:20 am @vinny: woke was originally used by social justice warriors to describe themselves. It comes from a song or poem.
Now, however, it is increasingly used derisively and sarcastically by people (including me ) who are critical of the perceived overreach of those SJWs, so both definitions apply. If you want to get a feel for wokeness, skim some of the thread, ‘The Left is Eating Itself.’
Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:31 pmLet's take a hypothetical case.shekels wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:53 pmSo "You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:03 pm
Yeah, I've taken the red pill. The red pill shows me that little gets done by anyone where it really counts, lowering cost of medicine/medical care, reducing the debt and cutting back on military spending. They all just spend in different ways.
I think the historical question will always be asked, what more could Trump have gotten done if he just had a little bit less hubris, a little more humility, and a little more humanity to go along with his supposed great wisdom and amazing deal making skills.
His skills in building his real estate empire must have has a lot to do with being able to bully anyone and everyone to get his way. Doesn't work that way in Washington, or at least not forever.
***Hey, I know Chicago sucks. Do I need the president to tell me that, without offering anything constructive? No.***
So less less hubris, a little more humility, and a little more humanity is a requirement to be a better President?
It seems about half of the country Dislike/Hate Trump and the Congressional Dems are trying for impeachment.
I don't know about you, but I would be fighting the onslaught of accusations any way I could.
We will never know what could have gotten done with so much hostility.
But ever year it gets worse.
Suppose there is a very wealthy man who is a patriot. He gives up a life of ease and comfort without any significant criticism from any part of society in order to protect the country he loves against what he sees as an existential threat to its well-being.
How should this man respond when he is accused of betraying his country, despite the total lack of any evidence?
I know how I would respond in that case.
Really? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:59 pm Anyone here have kids in the house, say age 5-18? I cringe thinking about how he represents America and himself and how that might affect what they think about right and wrong. A simple point is how quickly he turns on anyone who has any level of disagreement with him. There's no level headed debate. You instantly end up being called a loser, in the gutter, and earn a 5th grade bully nickname.
I absolutely could be wrong, but it is the main thing for me. I am fine with many of his positions and much of what he's trying to accomplish. But, rightly or wrongly, I do not care because his methods "trump" his accomplishments for me. I know, it is illogical.Maddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 amReally? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:59 pm Anyone here have kids in the house, say age 5-18? I cringe thinking about how he represents America and himself and how that might affect what they think about right and wrong. A simple point is how quickly he turns on anyone who has any level of disagreement with him. There's no level headed debate. You instantly end up being called a loser, in the gutter, and earn a 5th grade bully nickname.
What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
Family. Sanctity of life. Biological birth sex of humans. Individual responsibility. God. Bill of Rights. Trustworthy politicians. Selflessness.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:24 amI absolutely could be wrong, but it is the main thing for me. I am fine with many of his positions and much of what he's trying to accomplish. But, rightly or wrongly, I do not care because his methods "trump" his accomplishments for me. I know, it is illogical.Maddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 amReally? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:59 pm Anyone here have kids in the house, say age 5-18? I cringe thinking about how he represents America and himself and how that might affect what they think about right and wrong. A simple point is how quickly he turns on anyone who has any level of disagreement with him. There's no level headed debate. You instantly end up being called a loser, in the gutter, and earn a 5th grade bully nickname.
What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
And, no disrespect, but what values and culture are being destroyed in your opinion?
Yes, The printing press or something to that effect. Nobody is Perfect right ?boglerdude wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:22 pm The trumpsters here are goldbugs right, but if he could get his hands on the printing press he'd crank it all the way up, no?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comm ... and_urges/
Mountaineer, I respect your positions and I know you are a religious man.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 amFamily. Sanctity of life. Biological birth sex of humans. Individual responsibility. God. Bill of Rights. Trustworthy politicians. Selflessness.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:24 amI absolutely could be wrong, but it is the main thing for me. I am fine with many of his positions and much of what he's trying to accomplish. But, rightly or wrongly, I do not care because his methods "trump" his accomplishments for me. I know, it is illogical.Maddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 am
Really? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.
What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
And, no disrespect, but what values and culture are being destroyed in your opinion?
Cortopassi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:54 amMountaineer, I respect your positions and I know you are a religious man.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 amFamily. Sanctity of life. Biological birth sex of humans. Individual responsibility. God. Bill of Rights. Trustworthy politicians. Selflessness.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:24 am
I absolutely could be wrong, but it is the main thing for me. I am fine with many of his positions and much of what he's trying to accomplish. But, rightly or wrongly, I do not care because his methods "trump" his accomplishments for me. I know, it is illogical.
And, no disrespect, but what values and culture are being destroyed in your opinion?
But, Trump is a trustworthy politician? And selfless? Certainly that is a great goal of all politicians, but he scores zero on both of those and is not helping the continuing situation where we don't debate anymore, we label and hate those who don't agree with us.
Right.
I have no idea.
Anything that interferes with the relentless attack of the left on the Constitution and American society in general is "unpresidential", according to the left.Maddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 amReally? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:59 pm Anyone here have kids in the house, say age 5-18? I cringe thinking about how he represents America and himself and how that might affect what they think about right and wrong. A simple point is how quickly he turns on anyone who has any level of disagreement with him. There's no level headed debate. You instantly end up being called a loser, in the gutter, and earn a 5th grade bully nickname.
What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
"Unpresidential"Libertarian666 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:03 amAnything that interferes with the relentless attack of the left on the Constitution and American society in general is "unpresidential", according to the left.Maddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 am
Really? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.
What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
shekels wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:06 amLibertarian666 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:03 amAnything that interferes with the relentless attack of the left on the Constitution and American society in general is "unpresidential", according to the left.Maddy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:00 am
Really? This is what concerns you most? You must be living in a different reality than I am.
What is sufficiently "presidential" behavior when you're singlehandedly battling a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built?
That IMHO is why Trump was elected.vnatale wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:10 am Some truth in the picture. However we do have these corporations who write all the rules and control the country for their benefit first, ours second.
Vinny
shekels wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:06 amLibertarian666 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:03 am
Anything that interferes with the relentless attack of the left on the Constitution and American society in general is "unpresidential", according to the left.
My response about values being abolished by the culture were not about Trump, they were about "a thoroughly corrupt political establishment bent upon destroying every last vestige of America's culture and values and which has already succeeded in nearly completely eviscerating the rule of law and the fundamental constitutional protections upon which this nation was built" that was in an earlier post that is not captured in your quote above. The values I mentioned, other than the Bill of Rights, are the bedrock of society as evidenced by several thousand years of history and practice about what enables a somewhat functional society with hopefully, chaos and anarchy reduction, and very little on the fact that I believe the promises of our Trinitarian God. I further think that our Trinitarian God (whether you believe in Him or not) is in charge of all that is happening to achieve His good purposes whether we can understand them or not; you might even say He is giving us exactly what we, as an apparently increasingly Godless country, have wished for. Repentance and faith are a gifts from God, I hope He decides to give it to all of us with ears to hear.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:54 amMountaineer, I respect your positions and I know you are a religious man.Mountaineer wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:02 amFamily. Sanctity of life. Biological birth sex of humans. Individual responsibility. God. Bill of Rights. Trustworthy politicians. Selflessness.Cortopassi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:24 am
I absolutely could be wrong, but it is the main thing for me. I am fine with many of his positions and much of what he's trying to accomplish. But, rightly or wrongly, I do not care because his methods "trump" his accomplishments for me. I know, it is illogical.
And, no disrespect, but what values and culture are being destroyed in your opinion?
But, Trump is a trustworthy politician? And selfless? Certainly that is a great goal of all politicians, but he scores zero on both of those and is not helping the continuing situation where we don't debate anymore, we label and hate those who don't agree with us.