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Will Trump be Re-elected?

Trump is more effective than people are willing to admit [ala Scott Adams] and will be re-elected.
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Hillary will run again in 2020, and thus Trump will beat her again.
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Trump will cause the GOP to lose one or both houses of congress in the mid-term elections.
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The Dems in congress will be so insufferable, Trumps wins by a small margin despite them.
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Trump will choose not to run for re-election, since he never really wanted the job anyway.
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Trump is a disaster and will lose by a landslide.
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Trump will not only lose, but will lose to a candidate so far to the left that people will wish he'd stayed.
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Other, please elaborate.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:03 am

shekels wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:25 am
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:41 am
Yup, and remember that Trump just fires people. Obama was more likely to have people offed with a drone strike -- judge, jury, and executioner.
Trump expanded drone strikes and the Afghan war and vetoed ending the Yemen war.

You’re really a great example of how a fucking moron could get elected President.
Do you have Hard Data, and not just someones Opinion/Guess on drone strike/ death toll?

Drone strike Casualty Reports have been cancelled.

Also when Trump vetoed ending the Yemen war, why did not CONgress succeed in overturning the Veto?
https://www.justsecurity.org/63855/gett ... n-succeed/

Another question, is how many American Troops are stationed or have Died in Yemen during Yemen's Civil War?
moda has posted this link in an earlier thread:
moda0306 wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:15 am
Trump also expanded the war in Afghanistan...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
"During Mr Obama's eight years in office, 1,878 drone strikes were carried out, according to researchers. Since Mr Trump was elected in 2016, there have been 2,243 drone strikes." It doesn't say where she got those numbers from. Several stories about drone strikes reference a Daily Beast article, which states that it uses numbers provided by CENTCOM and the Bureau Of Investigative Journalism. It looks like you can comb through the press releases on www.centcom.mil and add up how many drone strikes they acknowledge, but I don't feel like doing it.

On the Bureau Of Investigative Journalism's drone strike site, setting the parameters to # of strikes since Jan 2017 gives these results:

6 Pakistan
166 Yemen (these were relatively high at the beginning of Trump's term, but haven't been above 15 a month since April 2017)
98 Somolia
4582 Afghanistan
4852 Total

Their numbers look suspect though. For instance, here is one example of a strike:
An airstrike in Badakhshan killed 16 Taliban fighters, Khaama Press reported - though it was not clear whether US or Afghan forces were responsible.

The Ministry of Defence reportedly said that security forces conducted the strike in the Wardoj district.

While the report says that the security forces conducted the strike, we cannot definitely rule out US involvement as the security forces often call in US air support.

Khaama Press did explicitly give a date for this strike so we have recorded it as the date that it was reported on.

Type of strike: Possible US strike
Location: Wardoj district, Badakhshan province
Reference: Khaama Press
They're very transparent, which I am grateful for because it helps me determine that this isn't something I can trust (or, not without going over each incident in detail).
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:25 am
Now the Afghan war has been going on for 18 YEARS... Do you just turn out the lights and go home?
That's kind of what we've been doing. When I was in Afghanistan, we briefly conducted operations out of a semi-abandonded outpost. It still had all the generators and huts and stuff like that, but nobody was using it. We were just paying some dudes to watch it. It was nerve-wracking as fuck in there because we had no idea if the guards had let insurgents emplace booby traps or infiltration points or map it out for indirect fire or what have you. When we were done I can't remember if we turned it over to the ANA or if we airlifted all the recoverable shit back to the big FOB. Also, I believe every base/outpost I was on except Bagram has been closed down or turned over to the ANA, which is as close to turning out the lights and leaving as you'd think.
Some 5500 years ago, before writing was invented to record it, the people of the city of Hamoukar, near rich copper mines, were subjected to the first known instance of urban warfare when an army from the city of Uruk attacked and fought their way through the streets, killing most everyone.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:58 pm

ANA - Afghan Nat'l Army, I guess.
FOB - ?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by D1984 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:27 pm

dualstow wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:58 pm
ANA - Afghan Nat'l Army, I guess.
FOB - ?
FOB = Forward Operating Base
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:14 pm

Aha, thanks
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Headline in WSJ today:

“Slow Growth Hasn’t Hurt Trump in Key Midwest Counties
While local job growth lags behind the nation’s, president’s approval rating has risen since 2017”

Hmm
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:55 pm

dualstow wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:14 pm
Aha, thanks
Sorry about that. Also, COPS are combat outposts, "terps" are interpreters, RAID is a camera on a pole, and the donkeys are frightened.
Headline in WSJ today:

“Slow Growth Hasn’t Hurt Trump in Key Midwest Counties
While local job growth lags behind the nation’s, president’s approval rating has risen since 2017”

Hmm
*shrug*
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:19 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLM9p8m7BBM

Strong ad work by the Republicans. Have they ever made an ad this good, or relevant?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:30 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:19 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLM9p8m7BBM

Strong ad work by the Republicans. Have they ever made an ad this good, or relevant?
There was one like this, although I could have sworn it had lions. At least, it was longer.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_s71-Q2XBZg
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:30 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:19 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLM9p8m7BBM

Strong ad work by the Republicans. Have they ever made an ad this good, or relevant?

At the Time this was a powerful ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRPZQ3UEN_Q
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by jhogue » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:09 pm

jhogue wrote:
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jhogue wrote:
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Everything will be exactly the same, except different.

In 2020, Dems will nominate Elizabeth Warren who will rail against plutocrats in banks, Wall Street, and offshore tax havens; but for taxes on Roth IRAs over $1 million, tighter capital controls, and Obamacare Plus Free Everything. Ironically, the Russians -- who will be found to have had nothing to do with the outcome of the 2016 election -- will be inspired to seriously hack the 2020 election, thereby assuring the return of the chaotic Donald to office for another 4 years. Only in America, baby!
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I predict that we will look back on the Robert Mueller hearings yesterday as a critical milestone in Trump's re-election:

1. Russian Hack 2020 is already well under way.

2. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer can count to 51 and they now know for certain that impeaching Trump is an exercise in futility, even for the most partisan in their caucus. Worried that Ruth Bader Ginsburg will not last another 5 years on the Supreme Court, influential groups like NARAL will demand that the Dems drop impeachment and focus on electoral victory in November 2020.
This just in:
Elizabeth Warren (a.k.a. Pocahontas) leads Des Moines Register’s Iowa Poll for the first time, besting Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story ... 370015001/
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:05 pm

So far, damn accurate, Mr Hogue. O0
I'm glad the resurfacing of Warren's scandalous paleface photos haven't harmed her in the polls.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:15 am

Thanks. I read 'Generation Kill' once upon a time and I've got a glossary somewhere that I compiled while reading. Probably time to pick up another book on Iraq and/or AfPak if anyone has any recommendations.

Btw, should we continue with a separate "Part 2" thread? Each page is always crushing under the weight of the giant, ancient poll above. Kind of ungainly.
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:55 pm
dualstow wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:14 pm
Aha, thanks
Sorry about that. Also, COPS are combat outposts, "terps" are interpreters, RAID is a camera on a pole, and the donkeys are frightened.
Headline in WSJ today:

“Slow Growth Hasn’t Hurt Trump in Key Midwest Counties
While local job growth lags behind the nation’s, president’s approval rating has risen since 2017”

Hmm
*shrug*
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:45 pm

You picked a good one in Generation Kill.

The last few books I read related to Iraq/Afghanistan were:

The Accidental Guerrilla by Kilcullen
Wired For War by Singer
Brave New War by John Robb
My Jihad by Collins
Dirty Wars by Scahill
On The Hunt in Baghdad by Totten
Ghost Wars by Coll
America’s Secret War by Friedman
Soldiers of God: With The Mujahidin In Afghanistan by Kaplan
My Share of the Task by Gen. Stanley McChrystal
Where Men Win Glory by Krakauer
How to Break a Terrorist by Matthew Alexander
Ambush Alley: The Most Extraordinary Battle of the Iraq War by Pritchard
Horse Soldiers by Stanton (the movie 12 Strong was based on this book)

There's probably a couple in there that might interest you. I'll PM you another one.
Some 5500 years ago, before writing was invented to record it, the people of the city of Hamoukar, near rich copper mines, were subjected to the first known instance of urban warfare when an army from the city of Uruk attacked and fought their way through the streets, killing most everyone.
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