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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:05 pm
by stuper1
Why should your head explode? If you know it's hyperbole, why does it bother you? And when did you start thinking that any politician actually means anything that he says?

Are you worried that the Europeans will think we are uncouth because we no longer have a suave, urbane president like Obama? Who cares what they think? Take Merkel for example. She's killing Germany by letting too many immigrants in. At least we have a president who at least says that he cares about defending/protecting his country. I couldn't care less if the rest of the world thinks that he's uncouth. And truth be told, it's really just the mass media who wants us to think that they all think he's uncouth. In fact, much of the world has some grudging respect for a guy who's willing to make hyperbolic statements and stick his neck out. They probably see better than we do how he plays the media to his advantage.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:14 pm
by Cortopassi
stuper1 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:05 pm
Why should your head explode? If you know it's hyperbole, why does it bother you? And when did you start thinking that any politician actually means anything that he says?

Are you worried that the Europeans will think we are uncouth because we no longer have a suave, urbane president like Obama? Who cares what they think? Take Merkel for example. She's killing Germany by letting too many immigrants in. At least we have a president who at least says that he cares about defending/protecting his country. I couldn't care less if the rest of the world thinks that he's uncouth. And truth be told, it's really just the mass media who wants us to think that they all think he's uncouth. In fact, much of the world has some grudging respect for a guy who's willing to make hyperbolic statements and stick his neck out. They probably see better than we do how he plays the media to his advantage.
The problem is, he doesn't stick his neck out. He reverses or BSes on nearly every single thing! You cannot know where he is going next. There is zero strategy or plan, it is literally how he feels that day.

--2 weeks ago he was going to push meaningful background checks and was not worried about a slippery slope. Today, the exact opposite.

--Mexico is going to pay for the wall, then not.

--Slamming Obama for all his golfing he did, while he does significantly more

--Happy about leaks when it was other people, but pissed when about him

--Employment rate significantly understated with other presidents, but apparently right on the money with him

--Tariffs? Yes, next week. No, delayed. Yes, next month. No, delayed.

--Medical pricing reform, zero talk about it once he's become president

--He gets upset that Denmark's PM called the Greenland idea absurd.

--Payroll tax cuts, we're looking at them. We're not. We are. We're not.

He is a terrible role model for kids in America.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:21 pm
by stuper1
Agreed. But you could say the thing about just about any other politician. Most of them just hide it a bit better. The only real role model that counts for children is their parents and possibly a few other adults that they may have a lot of contact with.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:33 am
by Mountaineer
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:14 pm
stuper1 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:05 pm
Why should your head explode? If you know it's hyperbole, why does it bother you? And when did you start thinking that any politician actually means anything that he says?

Are you worried that the Europeans will think we are uncouth because we no longer have a suave, urbane president like Obama? Who cares what they think? Take Merkel for example. She's killing Germany by letting too many immigrants in. At least we have a president who at least says that he cares about defending/protecting his country. I couldn't care less if the rest of the world thinks that he's uncouth. And truth be told, it's really just the mass media who wants us to think that they all think he's uncouth. In fact, much of the world has some grudging respect for a guy who's willing to make hyperbolic statements and stick his neck out. They probably see better than we do how he plays the media to his advantage.
The problem is, he doesn't stick his neck out. He reverses or BSes on nearly every single thing! You cannot know where he is going next. There is zero strategy or plan, it is literally how he feels that day.

--2 weeks ago he was going to push meaningful background checks and was not worried about a slippery slope. Today, the exact opposite.

--Mexico is going to pay for the wall, then not.

--Slamming Obama for all his golfing he did, while he does significantly more

--Happy about leaks when it was other people, but pissed when about him

--Employment rate significantly understated with other presidents, but apparently right on the money with him

--Tariffs? Yes, next week. No, delayed. Yes, next month. No, delayed.

--Medical pricing reform, zero talk about it once he's become president

--He gets upset that Denmark's PM called the Greenland idea absurd.

--Payroll tax cuts, we're looking at them. We're not. We are. We're not.

He is a terrible role model for kids in America.
Life in my neighborhood is just about the same as it was a week ago, a month ago, a year ago, 10 years ago. The sun still shines, the grass still grows, my income and expenses are relatively the same, my family still loves each other, I still have frequent dinners with friends, I still go to church every week and hear inspiring sermons and receive the gifts of Jesus. But I'm one of those weird types who tries not to worry about things I can't control, and I rarely watch TV news, or much TV at all for that matter. Life is so much more peaceful that way. 8)

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:07 am
by Cortopassi
Mountaineer wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:33 am

Life in my neighborhood is just about the same as it was a week ago, a month ago, a year ago, 10 years ago. The sun still shines, the grass still grows, my income and expenses are relatively the same, my family still loves each other, I still have frequent dinners with friends, I still go to church every week and hear inspiring sermons and receive the gifts of Jesus. But I'm one of those weird types who tries not to worry about things I can't control, and I rarely watch TV news, or much TV at all for that matter. Life is so much more peaceful that way. 8)
I understand exactly what you are saying. It is the same for me. Kids back in school, my bees are doing well, weather has been really good around Chicago. Biked 700 miles this summer so far.

But, but but...!

I cut back on the news as well. Trump, though, dominates the discussion in any little news watching or reading I do. America is better than this. What happened to that shining city on the hill? Oh, yeah, that's a Trump hotel. ^-^

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:04 am
by dualstow
stuper1 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:05 pm
And truth be told, it's really just the mass media who wants us to think that they all think he's uncouth.
Mass media, mass media, mass media.
All you need is a goddamn live camera.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:59 am
by Mountaineer
Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:07 am
Mountaineer wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:33 am

Life in my neighborhood is just about the same as it was a week ago, a month ago, a year ago, 10 years ago. The sun still shines, the grass still grows, my income and expenses are relatively the same, my family still loves each other, I still have frequent dinners with friends, I still go to church every week and hear inspiring sermons and receive the gifts of Jesus. But I'm one of those weird types who tries not to worry about things I can't control, and I rarely watch TV news, or much TV at all for that matter. Life is so much more peaceful that way. 8)
I understand exactly what you are saying. It is the same for me. Kids back in school, my bees are doing well, weather has been really good around Chicago. Biked 700 miles this summer so far.

But, but but...!

I cut back on the news as well. Trump, though, dominates the discussion in any little news watching or reading I do. America is better than this. What happened to that shining city on the hill? Oh, yeah, that's a Trump hotel. ^-^
^-^ ^-^ ^-^

Perhaps, just perhaps, that shining city on the hill is not a light at all but just a reflection of our current "me, me, me, it's all about me" focused culture. Maybe the 11th commandment has been found on that tablet Moses broke when he saw the golden calf: "Thou shalt love only self and have no tolerance for those who think and act differently than yourself." Short version: I worship the idol of self. :'(

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:26 am
by ochotona
Mountaineer wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:59 am
Perhaps, just perhaps, that shining city on the hill is not a light at all but just a reflection of our current "me, me, me, it's all about me" focused culture. Maybe the 11th commandment has been found on that tablet Moses broke when he saw the golden calf: "Thou shalt love only self and have no tolerance for those who think and act differently than yourself." Short version: I worship the idol of self. :'(
BINGO. you win the prize for insight.

And the Left and Trump supporters are both doing the same exact thing.

Whether you think modern Americans of all races should pay slavery reparations and if you disagree you are a hate criminal

Or whether you carry a Tiki torch through a University town screaming "Jews will not replace us"

It's all the same sick, sour narcissism and intolerance

And shockingly, so many of them are Millennials! You'd think it would be the sick old farts, but it's young men. I use the word men intentionally, because it's the men who could physically harm you, and are daring and stupid enough to try.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:41 am
by Cortopassi
Trump for sure is keeping the markets interesting!

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:23 pm
by pmward
Trumpypoo just signaled 5% increased tariffs on all existing goods (25%-30%), and the new goods slated for Sept 1 (10%-15%). He is just not going to stop until the U.S. economy is in shambles. What a fool. He is literally single handedly bringing our economy to its knees.

January 2018: "The economy looks to be invincible, stocks do nothing but go up, it appears that nothing can stop it."
Trump: "Hold my beer..."

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:25 pm
by flyingpylon
Do “stocks” = “the economy”?

There are some that say there’s a big difference between Wall Street and Main Street.

Just throwin’ it out there.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:03 pm
by pmward
flyingpylon wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:25 pm
Do “stocks” = “the economy”?

There are some that say there’s a big difference between Wall Street and Main Street.

Just throwin’ it out there.
Stocks and the economy are highly correlated. Both are looking very weak right now, and it's entirely one man's fault.