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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:03 am
by jhogue
Great news for Trump: Ms. Minnesota Nice herself —Senator Amy Klobuchar-- has declared for President. Her entry into the race ensures that Democrats will have a choice in the Iowa caucus between those who primarily hate Donald Trump’s persona and those who primarily hate “the rich.”

Predictably, Trump immediately attacked her for attacking global warming in the middle of a Minnesota snowstorm. Just as predictably, she counter-punched on facebook by arguing that her hair held up better under the weather than his would.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:16 am
by dualstow
O0 I love it O0

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:51 am
by jhogue
More great news for Trump:

Bernie Sanders declared for President. Jimmy Fallon on the Tonight Show (who does a wicked Trump imitation, by the way) made fun of Bernie three nights running, calling him an Old Man.

Bernie's Santa Claus Socialism and his entry into the race form an important milestone in the Democrats' road to ruin. He certainly hates "the rich" on principle, but he may not personally hate Trump enough to satisfy the party's TDS wing.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:40 am
by jacksonM
jhogue wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:51 am
More great news for Trump:

Bernie Sanders declared for President. Jimmy Fallon on the Tonight Show (who does a wicked Trump imitation, by the way) made fun of Bernie three nights running, calling him an Old Man.

Bernie's Santa Claus Socialism and his entry into the race form an important milestone in the Democrats' road to ruin. He certainly hates "the rich" on principle, but he may not personally hate Trump enough to satisfy the party's TDS wing.
Now you have leading candidates coming out for reparations for slavery (Harris and Booker I believe and in the case of Pocahontas she will also include native Americans).

Socialism, the Green New Deal, reparations for slavery - do these bozos really think a majority of the American people are going to vote for this stuff? If they put one of them at the top of the ticket I suspect Pat Buchanan will be right in his prediction that Trump will win by a landslide.

Personally, I don't feel particularly motivated to go to the polls and vote for Trump on his own merits at this time. He talks non-interventionism abroad and then surrounds himself with some of the worse neocons imaginable. He talks about limiting all immigration, both legal and illegal to get elected and then he not only doesn't build the wall but he says in his POTUS speech that he wants to open the floodgates for more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, if one of the Dem nutjobs gets nominated I will be forced to hold my nose and go vote for him as the lesser of two evils.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:56 pm
by dualstow
Remember 2016 when Bernie was fringe? Now he’s just another Democratic candidate in the mix. O0

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:24 am
by Xan
Libertarian666 wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:44 am
Are there any Dems who aren't nutjobs who could win the nomination? I'm not holding my breath to see if there is one.
He isn't technically aiming for "the nomination", but Schultz could potentially make some noise.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:37 am
by dualstow
Aside from her unfairly going after Al Franken, Kirsten Gillibrand seems fairly levelheaded. Or, does she not count as someone who could win?

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:22 pm
by jacksonM
Libertarian666 wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:44 am
jacksonM wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:40 am
jhogue wrote:
Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:51 am
More great news for Trump:

Bernie Sanders declared for President. Jimmy Fallon on the Tonight Show (who does a wicked Trump imitation, by the way) made fun of Bernie three nights running, calling him an Old Man.

Bernie's Santa Claus Socialism and his entry into the race form an important milestone in the Democrats' road to ruin. He certainly hates "the rich" on principle, but he may not personally hate Trump enough to satisfy the party's TDS wing.
Now you have leading candidates coming out for reparations for slavery (Harris and Booker I believe and in the case of Pocahontas she will also include native Americans).

Socialism, the Green New Deal, reparations for slavery - do these bozos really think a majority of the American people are going to vote for this stuff? If they put one of them at the top of the ticket I suspect Pat Buchanan will be right in his prediction that Trump will win by a landslide.

Personally, I don't feel particularly motivated to go to the polls and vote for Trump on his own merits at this time. He talks non-interventionism abroad and then surrounds himself with some of the worse neocons imaginable. He talks about limiting all immigration, both legal and illegal to get elected and then he not only doesn't build the wall but he says in his POTUS speech that he wants to open the floodgates for more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, if one of the Dem nutjobs gets nominated I will be forced to hold my nose and go vote for him as the lesser of two evils.
Are there any Dems who aren't nutjobs who could win the nomination? I'm not holding my breath to see if there is one.

As to the original question about whether Trump will be re-elected, here's my favorite political analyst on that topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDY-g7aUzxk
I'm sure there a lot of things I will disagree with her on if I look close enough but I like Tulsi Gabbard for her views on foreign policy. I'm not sure if there is another non-interventionist among all the candidates. Though I had my doubts, Trump had me convinced that he leaned that way but I'm starting to conclude that he says one thing, does another, and hopes nobody notices or cares that much.

That guy on youtube reflects my own views pretty well.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:00 pm
by jacksonM
Libertarian666 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:19 pm
jacksonM wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:22 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:44 am


Are there any Dems who aren't nutjobs who could win the nomination? I'm not holding my breath to see if there is one.

As to the original question about whether Trump will be re-elected, here's my favorite political analyst on that topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDY-g7aUzxk
I'm sure there a lot of things I will disagree with her on if I look close enough but I like Tulsi Gabbard for her views on foreign policy. I'm not sure if there is another non-interventionist among all the candidates. Though I had my doubts, Trump had me convinced that he leaned that way but I'm starting to conclude that he says one thing, does another, and hopes nobody notices or cares that much.

That guy on youtube reflects my own views pretty well.
Styxhexenhammer666 is a pretty big Trump fan at this point, although he won't hesitate to call him out on things he disagrees with (e.g., the "bump stock" ban).

As for whether he is a non-interventionist, he looks that way to me. What new wars has he started? And he is trying to extricate us from some existing wars after pretty much accomplishing the original goal (decimate ISIS) of one of them.
No, he hasn't started any new wars and is obviously trying to work for peace with North Korea as we speak. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until I see how far he is willing to go with "all options are on the table" in Venezuela and also in Iran if either of those countries go far enough to call his bluff. Maybe he is just playing good cop/bad cop with the neocons he has surrounded himself with as some have suggested. I hope that is true.

As for Syria. He said we were going to withdraw completely but to the delight of Lindsey Graham and others he decided to leave a "peacekeeping force" with numbers of 200-400 soldiers depending on which article you read. Reminds me of Reagan's peacekeeping force in Beirut. When they were attacked and many were killed Reagan wisely decided it was a mistake to leave them there and brought them home. Hopefully, Trump won't be put to the same test but I would rather he had done what he said and exited Syria completely.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:30 pm
by Kriegsspiel
I don't think Tulsi Gabbard's foreign policies vary much from Trump's. And other than that she is very similar to Bernie Sanders. So I won't be voting for her, but I could see a lot of Democrats liking her.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:51 pm
by jhogue
This important update (and milestone) in Trump's re-election campaign:

Trump's fellow billionaire Michael Bloomberg announces he will not run for President, saying:

“we cannot allow the primary process to drag the party to an extreme that would diminish our chances in the general election and translate into ‘Four More Years.’”

Bloomberg, a congenital Democrat who ran for mayor of New York City as first a Republican and then an independent, does not hail from the Looney Tunes wing of his party.


Source:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael- ... 3e410a00ea

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:22 pm
by dualstow
He’s simply too old. Maybe twelve, 24 years ago...

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:59 pm
by Xan
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:55 pm
jhogue wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:51 pm
This important update (and milestone) in Trump's re-election campaign:

Trump's fellow billionaire Michael Bloomberg announces he will not run for President, saying:

“we cannot allow the primary process to drag the party to an extreme that would diminish our chances in the general election and translate into ‘Four More Years.’”

Bloomberg, a congenital Democrat who ran for mayor of New York City as first a Republican and then an independent, does not hail from the Looney Tunes wing of his party.


Source:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/michael- ... 3e410a00ea
Unfortunately for the Ds, and fortunately for Trump, it is looking more and more likely that the Ds will not field anyone who could win.

If they field a left-wing lunatic like Sanders, moderate Democrats will desert.
If they field a "moderate" like Biden, the left-wing lunatics will desert.
An independent campaign from Schultz could save them, presuming he then proceeds to act like (become? stay?) a "moderate" Democrat.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:56 pm
by jhogue
Schultz has some celebrity name recognition with millennials, but he is way too pragmatic for rabid Trump haters.

When the Everything-Should-Be-Free Santa Claus Socialists start trying to outbid one another before the Iowa Caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, Schultz will say something measured and diplomatic that will cause his numbers to plummet.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:39 am
by moda0306
jhogue wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:56 pm
Schultz has some celebrity name recognition with millennials, but he is way too pragmatic for rabid Trump haters.

When the Everything-Should-Be-Free Santa Claus Socialists start trying to outbid one another before the Iowa Caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, Schultz will say something measured and diplomatic that will cause his numbers to plummet.
You mean something like questioning when 70% marginal tax rates on very-high incomes have ever worked, to be met with a response of "The United States for 50 years."

Didn't go down exactly like that but something pretty darn close...

Unknowing corporatist centrist boobs can go the way of the dodobird.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:12 am
by jhogue
No, I mean that Schultz might do something reasonable that the voting public expects that a CEO might normally do, like put a price tag on the Green New Deal ($8-12 trillion dollars over the next decade alone according to one estimate, which amounts to something like $600,000 per U.S. household.)

https://conservativedailypost.com/trill ... er-600000/

Can't you just feel the fury from AOC and her band of sisters?

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:50 pm
by Libertarian666
jhogue wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:12 am
No, I mean that Schultz might do something reasonable that the voting public expects that a CEO might normally do, like put a price tag on the Green New Deal ($8-12 trillion dollars over the next decade alone according to one estimate, which amounts to something like $600,000 per U.S. household.)

https://conservativedailypost.com/trill ... er-600000/

Can't you just feel the fury from AOC and her band of sisters?
Yes, which is why he could never be elected as a Democrat in today's world.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:01 pm
by Mountaineer
Libertarian666 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:50 pm
jhogue wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:12 am
No, I mean that Schultz might do something reasonable that the voting public expects that a CEO might normally do, like put a price tag on the Green New Deal ($8-12 trillion dollars over the next decade alone according to one estimate, which amounts to something like $600,000 per U.S. household.)

https://conservativedailypost.com/trill ... er-600000/

Can't you just feel the fury from AOC and her band of sisters?
Yes, which is why he could never be elected as a Democrat in today's world.
Is AOC fake or fact? Is this YouTube video factual?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd87b-8 ... e=youtu.be

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:00 pm
by dualstow
Mountaineer wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:01 pm

Is AOC fake or fact? Is this YouTube video factual?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd87b-8 ... e=youtu.be
I think PP67 beat you to the punch just yesterday. You can see the commentary here.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:33 am
by Mountaineer
dualstow wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:00 pm
Mountaineer wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:01 pm

Is AOC fake or fact? Is this YouTube video factual?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd87b-8 ... e=youtu.be
I think PP67 beat you to the punch just yesterday. You can see the commentary here.
Ooops! I missed it. Must have been busy distributing MAOCLess hats. ;)

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:32 am
by WiseOne
jhogue wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:12 am
No, I mean that Schultz might do something reasonable that the voting public expects that a CEO might normally do, like put a price tag on the Green New Deal ($8-12 trillion dollars over the next decade alone according to one estimate, which amounts to something like $600,000 per U.S. household.)

https://conservativedailypost.com/trill ... er-600000/
Surprisingly, there's very little out there in the way of breaking down GND to concrete proposals and actual costs. However, some of them were (to my eye) low enough that we should be seriously considering them.

High speed rail is a standout. If it would really cost less than 4 trillion to lay down a national network of passenger rail track and buy high speed trains, then we should be doing this already. The only intercity passenger rail track in existence in the US right now is the Northeast Corridor (Boston to Richmond). All else is freight track, which is why train travel on every other route is so ridiculously slow. This is a national embarrassment, and could save us all a pile of $$ if fixed (air travel is much more expensive to run than train travel, plus much less convenient).

Upgraded electrical grid: This also looks surprisingly cheap, especially if you incorporate micro-energy on-site production like solar panels and window coatings.

Universal healthcare: the number provided ($36 trillion) is incredibly misleading. They totaled the amount currently spent on healthcare annually, then extrapolated to a 10 year period. What they didn't say is that 2/3 of health spending is Medicare and Medicaid, meaning it is ALREADY covered by state & federal budgets. To get to universal coverage would cost 1/3 the amount over 10 years, or $~1 trillion per year. You can immediately knock off about half that figure, which is the excess cost imposed on the entire system by private insurance companies. So in the end, universal coverage would cost $500 billion a year. But that's not actually a new cost, just a shift from insurance premiums paid by employers or out of pocket to the federal budget. So net cost actually negative on this one, assuming that we are currently paying at least this much for insurance premiums. But then we've had this discussion already. I assume doctors would still have the option of charging on a cash-pay basis for concierge care, just like they do now.

If you notice, these were all things that others (Obama, Warren Buffett, Elon Musk) have wanted to do for years. AOC didn't come up with these on her own. The remaining parts of the GND are crazy talk. I think the press is beginning to realize that she's a nut case, and they've already started the process of taking her down to avoid damaging Democrats' chances in 2020. Of course, the press will have to take her down while being politically correct by their own rules, which is going to be fun to watch.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:33 am
by InsuranceGuy
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:49 pm
by jacksonM
Although he's still being coy about it, the news yesterday was that Biden will be jumping into the race soon. From what I see of the democratic candidates I think he's the only one that can beat Trump and unless some things change before the election I think he probably WILL beat Trump. On a positive note, he's also the democratic candidate that scares me the least.

My preferred democratic candidate however is Bernie Sanders, but only because AOC isn't old enough yet. This is because I'd like to see a real debate in prime time about whether or not the time has come for America to embrace Marxism.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:29 pm
by moda0306
jacksonM wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:49 pm
Although he's still being coy about it, the news yesterday was that Biden will be jumping into the race soon. From what I see of the democratic candidates I think he's the only one that can beat Trump and unless some things change before the election I think he probably WILL beat Trump. On a positive note, he's also the democratic candidate that scares me the least.

My preferred democratic candidate however is Bernie Sanders, but only because AOC isn't old enough yet. This is because I'd like to see a real debate in prime time about whether or not the time has come for America to embrace Marxism.
The idea that Bernie's version of "Socialism" = Marxism is ridiculous. High-tax welfare-state mixed capitalism ISN'T communism/socialism in the Marxist sense.

Marxism would see workers seizing and owning the means of production and abolishing private property and absentee "rent-seeking" forms of ownership.

That-said, one need-not be a "Marxist" or even a Bernie-crat to discuss things in terms of capital vs labor, which I think is sorely missed in our public and more-so our social discussions.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:45 pm
by jacksonM
moda0306 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:29 pm
jacksonM wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:49 pm
Although he's still being coy about it, the news yesterday was that Biden will be jumping into the race soon. From what I see of the democratic candidates I think he's the only one that can beat Trump and unless some things change before the election I think he probably WILL beat Trump. On a positive note, he's also the democratic candidate that scares me the least.

My preferred democratic candidate however is Bernie Sanders, but only because AOC isn't old enough yet. This is because I'd like to see a real debate in prime time about whether or not the time has come for America to embrace Marxism.
The idea that Bernie's version of "Socialism" = Marxism is ridiculous. High-tax welfare-state mixed capitalism ISN'T communism/socialism in the Marxist sense.

Marxism would see workers seizing and owning the means of production and abolishing private property and absentee "rent-seeking" forms of ownership.

That-said, one need-not be a "Marxist" or even a Bernie-crat to discuss things in terms of capital vs labor, which I think is sorely missed in our public and more-so our social discussions.
He's an avowed socialist who once praised Castro and still angrily preaches the kind of class hatred that is common to Marxism. In my opinion, if it looks like a duck and talks like a duck it's a duck.