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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:55 pm
by stuper1
There are many different types of intelligence, of course. Some people have a pretty good brain on their shoulders but aren't very articulate in speaking or writing, either by choice or just lack of interest. Some people are more doers than talkers. Regarding Trump, I suspect that a lot of stuff he posts that sounds bombastic is just to cultivate his image and ultimately get votes from lower intelligence people (i.e., rednecks). I seriously doubt that the guy is a dummy, but what do I know? I am convinced that the media would like us to think that he's a dummy.

I really care very little how a person sounds in the media or on their own, and even less about their sexual proclivities. To me, the most important things are big-picture policy and motivation. In the big picture, does he think that big government is a good thing or a bad thing? What is it that motivates a certain politician? Is he looking out for his own country people? Or is he just trying to curry favor with the powers that be so that he can be fawned over by the world media and ultimately make a lot of money on the back end? This was one of the big hopes with Trump -- that he had made enough money on his own that now he was just trying to help out his own people. The jury is still out on whether he has accomplished much in that regard, but he has made steps on fixing trade with China and legal/illegal immigration. And we still aren't at war with Iran and hopefully won't be.

When I say "help out his own people" those are not code words for white supremacy. I'm saying "help out Americans of whatever color and origin". If someone is here legally as an American citizen, then they are one of us. We are all in the same boat. The president's mandate is to serve those people.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:54 pm
by Kriegsspiel
Female accuses Trump of sexually assaulting her in "the fall of 1995 or the spring of 1996" now that she has a book coming out. ::)

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:54 am
by Kbg
I think a huge difference between Trump and all other Republican Presidents in my time is his inability to attract and retain good talent. To me that’s telling.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:28 am
by moda0306
Kbg wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:54 am
I think a huge difference between Trump and all other Republican Presidents in my time is his inability to attract and retain good talent. To me that’s telling.
That's probably the biggest piece of evidence we have towards his relative incompetence. I could stand a blow-hard who can't organize an organized thought if he had a good ability to on-board good advisers and administrators. It's probably the single most important trait of a president, short of direct foreign policy savvy, as he doesn't actually administer much himself, but simply acts as a "decider."

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:29 am
by jacksonM
moda0306 wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:02 am
I was perhaps too young to see the "rehabilitation of Nixon." I never realized that was a thing.
If you haven't seen it, I recommend the movie "Frost vs Nixon" to get up to speed on Nixon's rehabilitation tour. It was about a series of interviews he did with David Frost. Like all movies "based on a true story" it plays loose with the facts, the main discrepancy being that it shows Frost out to get Nixon when in fact the whole thing was a highly staged event with Nixon mostly in charge. Nevertheless, it's a good movie and the actor that played Nixon did an excellent impression of "tricky Dick".

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:22 pm
by dualstow
Kbg wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:54 am
I think a huge difference between Trump and all other Republican Presidents in my time is his inability to attract and retain good talent. To me that’s telling.
Definitely. I think I said that 20 pages back. Something along the lines of, "Don't take my word for it. Just look at who's sticking with him and who isn't."

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:28 pm
by ochotona
dualstow wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:22 pm
Kbg wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:54 am
I think a huge difference between Trump and all other Republican Presidents in my time is his inability to attract and retain good talent. To me that’s telling.
Definitely. I think I said that 20 pages back. Something along the lines of, "Don't take my word for it. Just look at who's sticking with him and who isn't."
After George H.W. Bush died, they closed up his local office here in Houston. The staff had a final farewell gathering. Some had been with him for four decades, since he was VP. They stayed on through his Presidency, and into his retirement, until they too, finally, could retire. It brought a tear to my eye. Where do you find that kind of employer / employee loyalty anymore? Answer: nowhere

I find it telling the Bushes did not vote for Trump. Neither did I, and I used to be a GOP Precinct Chair... before the crazies took over.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:49 pm
by dualstow
Interesting!

I guess you can find some of that employer/~ee loyalty here and there, probably in small companies. But yes, few and far between. I always imagine those working for Warren Buffett are that loyal. Not the employees of the companies held, but the ones who started out working for him directly. I wonder, does he have the same secretary from decades ago? Well, she's probably too rich to work for him now.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:56 pm
by Kbg
ochotona wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:28 pm
dualstow wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:22 pm
Kbg wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:54 am
I think a huge difference between Trump and all other Republican Presidents in my time is his inability to attract and retain good talent. To me that’s telling.
Definitely. I think I said that 20 pages back. Something along the lines of, "Don't take my word for it. Just look at who's sticking with him and who isn't."
After George H.W. Bush died, they closed up his local office here in Houston. The staff had a final farewell gathering. Some had been with him for four decades, since he was VP. They stayed on through his Presidency, and into his retirement, until they too, finally, could retire. It brought a tear to my eye. Where do you find that kind of employer / employee loyalty anymore? Answer: nowhere

I find it telling the Bushes did not vote for Trump. Neither did I, and I used to be a GOP Precinct Chair... before the crazies took over.
Holy cow...my phrase exactly...the crazies. I have cast a single non-R vote in my life and it was for Gary Johnson last election. I’ll quote Ronald Reagan: I didn’t leave my party, it left me. If Biden wins the D Primary and Trump wins the R, voting D. If Biden doesn’t win, no idea who I’ll vote for.

Speaking of narrative...Biden’s already getting the hatchet job.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:18 am
by shekels
Kbg wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:54 am
I think a huge difference between Trump and all other Republican Presidents in my time is his inability to attract and retain good talent. To me that’s telling.
Just 2 years and 158 days later.
135
No nominee
11
Awaiting nomination
115
Formally nominated
459
Confirmed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... 9c4b8abf86

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:34 am
by dualstow
What are the stats on resignations, I wonder.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:26 pm
by flyingpylon
What is the definition of "good talent"?

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:06 am
by boglerdude
“So now he’s trying to prove how tough he is because 'he’s not gonna get pushed around', here’s a guy — nobody ever heard of him before, and now, I made him, and he wants to show how tough he is.”

Trump on Powell

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:56 am
by shekels
dualstow wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:34 am
What are the stats on resignations, I wonder.
Cabinet level or in total?
Cabinet Level confirmed and resigned = 12

I wonder when you talk talent, could the issue also be that Trump has not been in Politics all his life?

The Political machine members that Trump has/had may not be use to his type of governance. (New Sheriff in town)
Also Trump may not be amenable to the machines way of running the country. ( Thats not the way we have always done it before).


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... 53b44601fd

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:51 am
by jhogue
Did the televised debates narrow the Democratic field?

Did Kamala Harris-- who is "black"-- trash Joe Biden's civil rights record enough to damage his status as frontrunner?

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:00 am
by dualstow
Terrified Trump Writes Check to Biden Campaign
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowit ... n-campaign

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:15 am
by Kriegsspiel
jhogue wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:51 am
Did the televised debates narrow the Democratic field?

Did Kamala Harris-- who is "black"-- trash Joe Biden's civil rights record enough to damage his status as frontrunner?
I thought the moderators were tasked with directing most questions to the Anointed Ones. In the first debate, it seemed like they were asking Warren to follow up on most things the others said. And in the second, the most talk time went to Biden, Sanders, and Harris. Unless the others butted in, they didn't really seem to talk much. The only questions (maybe there was another) directed at Gabbard was why she hated gay people and what she thought of the "wage gap." Yang said his mic was being cut off. In my bubble, Yang and Gabbard are the internet grassroots candidates, not the Party candidates. I liked Buttigieg and the guy from Maryland.

In the end, I think it will be Biden/Sanders/Harris/Warren.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:35 pm
by jacksonM
jhogue wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:51 am
Did the televised debates narrow the Democratic field?

Did Kamala Harris-- who is "black"-- trash Joe Biden's civil rights record enough to damage his status as frontrunner?
I thought Biden would almost certainly get the nomination but I've completely changed my mind, not just because of the debate performance but the way he has handled it afterward. I think his sell-by date is now long past and eventually people are going to realize he's just not up to the challenge and will have to look for somebody else.

I think Kamala Harris may now be the frontrunner but personally I found her attack on Biden about school busing nauseating as well as completely fake. This is not because I felt sorry for Biden. On the contrary, he came off as a wuss for not being willing to defend his stand on school busing which was perfectly reasonable and eventually shared by about 90 percent of Americans, both black and white.

When I saw the photo of Kamala in pig-tails as that little girl who says she benefited from being bused to a white school I couldn't help but think of my own kids who got bused into the black community to attend what was formerly an all-black school. Unlike her, they didn't think it was such a great experience. Every year we had to keep them home on "cracker day", a day set aside for the black kids to beat up the white kids. Although they eventually brought in the police to prevent it we still thought it was best to keep them home from school that day.

I saw a headline that said Kamala is the one who really puts fear into Trump and this may be true but probably not for the reason the author of that piece was thinking. It's because she is obviously going to play the race card for every thing it's worth and Trump is going to have a hard time taking shots at the little black girl in pig tails.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:31 pm
by Kriegsspiel
jacksonM wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:35 pm
jhogue wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:51 am
Did the televised debates narrow the Democratic field?

Did Kamala Harris-- who is "black"-- trash Joe Biden's civil rights record enough to damage his status as frontrunner?
I thought Biden would almost certainly get the nomination but I've completely changed my mind, not just because of the debate performance but the way he has handled it afterward. I think his sell-by date is now long past and eventually people are going to realize he's just not up to the challenge and will have to look for somebody else.
Swallwell had a well placed shiv with his "when I was 6 years old, a presidential candidate at the California Democratic Convention said 'it's time to pass the torch to a new generation.' that candidate was Sen. Joe Biden." attack. It really underscores how fucking old Biden is. Like, Trump is old, but he doesn't seem old. Biden seems old.
I think Kamala Harris may now be the frontrunner but personally I found her attack on Biden about school busing nauseating as well as completely fake. This is not because I felt sorry for Biden. On the contrary, he came off as a wuss for not being willing to defend his stand on school busing which was perfectly reasonable and eventually shared by about 90 percent of Americans, both black and white.

When I saw the photo of Kamala in pig-tails as that little girl who says she benefited from being bused to a white school I couldn't help but think of my own kids who got bused into the black community to attend what was formerly an all-black school. Unlike her, they didn't think it was such a great experience. Every year we had to keep them home on "cracker day", a day set aside for the black kids to beat up the white kids. Although they eventually brought in the police to prevent it we still thought it was best to keep them home from school that day.
Agree totally. That's a shame about your kids though.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:11 pm
by Cortopassi
This video on dems/republicans is pretty funny

https://youtu.be/DhempEhU8A4

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:27 pm
by dualstow
Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:11 pm
This video on dems/republicans is pretty funny

https://youtu.be/DhempEhU8A4
😂 Hilarious!!

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:12 am
by dualstow
Interesting Democratic infighting in the House. 🍿

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:20 am
by Kbg
Too funny. I love humor that cuts both ways. My favorite comedians are those who target anyone and everyone.

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:15 am
by Mountaineer
Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:39 pm
Maddy wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:06 am
I'm convinced that many people would sooner sacrifice their happiness and prosperity than forgo their insane obsession with Trump. In fact, I think Trump has become a one-size-fits-all excuse for many people for their failure to do anything productive with their lives.
This is not hypothetical. Many people already HAVE done that.
I recently heard that 1.5% of the rats in Los Angeles have bubonic plague and when it gets to 2% the plague usually makes the jump to humans (not sure how credible that is, maybe WiseOne could comment). Cause is the large homeless population and the corresponding filth and feces and litter. Have not heard anything about San Francisco though which I would expect to be worse. I wonder how rampant TDS needs to be to make the jump to the rats? ;D

Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:50 am
by jacksonM
Mountaineer wrote:
Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:15 am
Libertarian666 wrote:
Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:39 pm
Maddy wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:06 am
I'm convinced that many people would sooner sacrifice their happiness and prosperity than forgo their insane obsession with Trump. In fact, I think Trump has become a one-size-fits-all excuse for many people for their failure to do anything productive with their lives.
This is not hypothetical. Many people already HAVE done that.
I recently heard that 1.5% of the rats in Los Angeles have bubonic plague and when it gets to 2% the plague usually makes the jump to humans (not sure how credible that is, maybe WiseOne could comment). Cause is the large homeless population and the corresponding filth and feces and litter. Have not heard anything about San Francisco though which I would expect to be worse. I wonder how rampant TDS needs to be to make the jump to the rats? ;D
I saw Drew Pinsky talking about this the other day on TV. He was definitely worried about bubonic plague but he also said California has been dealing with diseases rarely seen in other parts of the country for over 20 years and warned that the rest of the country better get ready to deal with the same thing.

I haven't been able to confirm that it is true but I read recently that there have been confirmed cases of Ebola in Texas among migrants from the Congo. Maybe it's not because I haven't heard anything about it in the MSM and you know they would be reporting it if it was (sarcasm intended).
if there is an Ebola outbreak that can be linked to an illegal border crossing and the Dems persist with their open borders and free medical care for illegals policy, I tend to think Trump will win re-election easily. TDS is a strange malady however, so you never know.