That's fairly much a different definition than the one that I found. However, since it is your word (which ( had never prior seen) we'll stick with your definition.
And, if it all that means: "Alert to injustice in society, especially racism", then I'd consider that an excellent value or trait to have. Of course anything taken to its extreme may not be a good thing. Perhaps that is what you are reacting to?
And, as far as hearing the Democratic candidates and what they have to say? 1) I generally do not see the debates live because live baseball games (and, even the post game shows) and, now, basketball games are always going to take precedent. I do try to later listen to them later online. 2) I'm generally going to be paying the most attention to my top four (Yang, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Gabbard) and less attention to those in the next three categories. 3) Are my top four guilty of what you say? For the most part I think I have only heard Gabbard during the debates. The other three I've either heard frequently on the five Sunday news shows or in a long, long segment on C-Span. 4) I'd have to say the Harris and Warren are in the my third category and Bernie my fourth for probably many of the same reason that you (and others here) do not like them. For me, it's mainly financial with them. Give. Give. Give!
Regarding your last sentence: " It is so pervasive in job hiring, college admissions, etc, that merit takes a back seat to identity politics the majority of the time these days." You are making a universal statement for the entire country? Or, in what the Democrats are saying? I assume it is the former?
Vinny
MangoMan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:17 pm
That's not a very good definition of 'woke'. This is more accurate:
Alert to injustice in society, especially racism.
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/woke
And so no, this does not describe Trump or any other Republicans I am aware of. It does, however describe many of the far left and even middle left politicians in the Democratic party, much of the media including late night talk show hosts and even many (sadly) ESPN correspondants, and all kinds of activists. As far as the Dem candidates, they display woke behavior on a regular basis when they call Trump a racist for all sorts of things that are nothing of the kind.
And OMG, how can you have missed the negativity toward white males? It is so pervasive in job hiring, college admissions, etc, that merit takes a back seat to identity politics the majority of the time these days.
vnatale wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:59 am
I was giving the background of why I'm an independent who now votes almost exclusively Democrat but who does not consider myself a Democrat.
I've never prior seen the word "wokeness". Did not know if you'd mis-spelled some other word. But was surprised to see this definition for it:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... m=wokeness
Self-righteousness masquerading as enlightenment.
Not something that has struck me as being descriptive of any or all the Democratic candidates. Does this not at all describe Trump or any other current Republican incumbents?
You are going to have to give me specific examples of how specific Democratic candidates are demonstrating this.
I'm not seeing "indignation against whites and men" as being a constant, overriding theme.
And, I have already addressed socialism.
I do have Warren in my third category, which means that while she does not appeal to me at all, I don't totally detest her. That means she is just one above NEVER. But that still keeps her, on balance, as being superior to Trump.
I just cannot supports sloths as presidents (and I don't like here being pejorative towards a set of animals but I cannot think of a better description). Trump fits the Reagan, 2nd Bush tradition of wanting and having the office but refusing to put in the time necessary to fulfill the duties of the position. I have worked with so many other people in such lesser positions who have been far more dedicated to fulfilling the duties of their jobs than this trio of presidents have.
The fact that Warren became a law professor tells me that she is either brilliant and it required no work on her part to get there or she is no stranger to hard work and embraced the work necessary to fulfill her responsibilities / goals. In either case that makes her superior to Trump.
Vinny
MangoMan wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:47 pm
Vinny, thanks for sharing that story. Unfortunately, you did not answer the question:
opinions on the Dem voters' feelings about
all of the wokeness, indignation against whites and men, and socialism.
Well, you did say you are a capitalist, but would prefer Warren to Trump? What about the wokeness and anti-white male attitudes?