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Will Trump be Re-elected?

Trump is more effective than people are willing to admit [ala Scott Adams] and will be re-elected.
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Hillary will run again in 2020, and thus Trump will beat her again.
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Trump will cause the GOP to lose one or both houses of congress in the mid-term elections.
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The Dems in congress will be so insufferable, Trumps wins by a small margin despite them.
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Trump will choose not to run for re-election, since he never really wanted the job anyway.
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Trump is a disaster and will lose by a landslide.
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Trump will not only lose, but will lose to a candidate so far to the left that people will wish he'd stayed.
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Other, please elaborate.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by technovelist » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:12 am

shekels wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:09 am
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... nald-trump

There’s even an argument that the election itself falls within the Fed’s purview. After all, Trump’s reelection arguably presents a threat to the U.S. and global economy, to the Fed’s independence and its ability to achieve its employment and inflation objectives. If the goal of monetary policy is to achieve the best long-term economic outcome, then Fed officials should consider how their decisions will affect the political outcome in 2020.

So is the Banking cartel pushing to control the President of the United States along with Monetary policy?
Why not? They don't want any limits to their power.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by shekels » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:19 am

technovelist wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:12 am
shekels wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:09 am
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... nald-trump

There’s even an argument that the election itself falls within the Fed’s purview. After all, Trump’s reelection arguably presents a threat to the U.S. and global economy, to the Fed’s independence and its ability to achieve its employment and inflation objectives. If the goal of monetary policy is to achieve the best long-term economic outcome, then Fed officials should consider how their decisions will affect the political outcome in 2020.

So is the Banking cartel pushing to control the President of the United States along with Monetary policy?
Why not? They don't want any limits to their power.
Aah. Just follow us along on The road to Serfdom.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:08 pm

Technovelist,
what is your main reaction when someone suddenly resigns from the current administration or is asked to resign?
- There is something fundamentally wrong here
- Ok, this is part of Trump’s personality problem, but someone with a tougher constitution will come along and it’ll be a better fit to work with the President
- They were wrong for the job anyway / it’s hard to find good help these days
- Other:___________
- Some of the above?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:14 pm

dualstow wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:08 pm
Technovelist,
what is your main reaction when someone suddenly resigns from the current administration or is asked to resign?
- There is something fundamentally wrong here
- Ok, this is part of Trump’s personality problem, but someone with a tougher constitution will come along and it’ll be a better fit to work with the President
- They were wrong for the job anyway / it’s hard to find good help these days
- Other:___________
- Some of the above?
I am most amazed at these generals, heads of companies, top professionals, etc who come into this admin, and for the most part, apparently because he has the title of President, become these meek, reticent people toward him. Yes, Sir! type of mentality. Does no one ever call him out? Ok, yes, they do, but only once they've left generally.

They are all, also, for the most part, obscenely wealthy. Why in God's name would you want to put yourself through this?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:20 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:14 pm
Does no one ever call him out? Ok, yes, they do, but only once they've left generally.
There’s a logic to that, though, right?
One hears talk of gentle attempts to educate the President- “Sir, you just can’t do that” — but there’s not much point in really calling him out until it’s time to go.

I should reiterate that I agree with Tech that Mr Trump has gotten some things done that his predecessors failed to accomplish. Maybe his Crazy Ivan approach is what we need to get some of the dirty work done, to counter Kim Jong Eun, etc, before we put a nice guy in the office and get back to sanity.

Still, things could easily go sour before his second term is over, and none of it will have been worth it.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by flyingpylon » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:07 pm

dualstow wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:08 pm
Technovelist,
what is your main reaction when someone suddenly resigns from the current administration or is asked to resign?
- There is something fundamentally wrong here
- Ok, this is part of Trump’s personality problem, but someone with a tougher constitution will come along and it’ll be a better fit to work with the President
- They were wrong for the job anyway / it’s hard to find good help these days
- Other:___________
- Some of the above?
It's also possible that people take those jobs with the expectation that the political establishment's game will be played the way it always has, and are then surprised to find that the old rules no longer apply.

If you've been happy with the government's performance over the last several decades, you might see that as a bad thing. If not, you might think it's worth tolerating some turmoil to try a different approach.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:37 pm

I listened to Bernie Sanders today on Joe Rogan, and one thing he said made me get on the search ("do american drug buyers subsidize other countries"). He said he could go across the border to Canada and get the exact same medicine for 1/10 the price in the US. I thought that sounded like we were subsidizing Canada's drugs. According to this article, that is what's happening:
The Europeans and Canadians (as well as the rest of the world) are free-riding on the back of American medical innovators. European countries and Canada – our trading allies – impede access and set artificially low prices for prescription medicines. If U.S. companies refuse to acquiesce on prices, these foreign governments threaten to steal their patents by using compulsory licensing. It’s that simple: Europe and Canada refuse to pay their fair share forcing Americans to pay more.

Americans pay the highest prices for prescription drugs in the world. In 2016, U.S. spending on pharmaceuticals totaled more than $450 billion – a rate that’s two to six times higher than the world average.

The reason boils down to “compulsory licensing.” As the World Trade Organization explains, this is when “a government allows someone else to produce a patented product or process without the consent of the patent owner or plans to use the patent-protected invention itself.” These foreign governments put U.S. biopharmaceutical companies in a proverbial “gun-to-the-head” situation – i.e., sell us the drugs at the bogus price we demand, or don’t and we’ll just take it.
Sounds like something that would drive Trump wild, analogous to the NATO military spending issue.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by pugchief » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:40 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:37 pm
I listened to Bernie Sanders today on Joe Rogan, and one thing he said made me get on the search ("do american drug buyers subsidize other countries"). He said he could go across the border to Canada and get the exact same medicine for 1/10 the price in the US. I thought that sounded like we were subsidizing Canada's drugs. According to this article, that is what's happening:
The Europeans and Canadians (as well as the rest of the world) are free-riding on the back of American medical innovators. European countries and Canada – our trading allies – impede access and set artificially low prices for prescription medicines. If U.S. companies refuse to acquiesce on prices, these foreign governments threaten to steal their patents by using compulsory licensing. It’s that simple: Europe and Canada refuse to pay their fair share forcing Americans to pay more.

Americans pay the highest prices for prescription drugs in the world. In 2016, U.S. spending on pharmaceuticals totaled more than $450 billion – a rate that’s two to six times higher than the world average.

The reason boils down to “compulsory licensing.” As the World Trade Organization explains, this is when “a government allows someone else to produce a patented product or process without the consent of the patent owner or plans to use the patent-protected invention itself.” These foreign governments put U.S. biopharmaceutical companies in a proverbial “gun-to-the-head” situation – i.e., sell us the drugs at the bogus price we demand, or don’t and we’ll just take it.
Sounds like something that would drive Trump wild, analogous to the NATO military spending issue.
I've known about this for years and always wondered why we (the USA) allow it. Fixing this would be right up Trump's alley. Not sure why he hasn't tackled it. It's grossly unfair.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:55 pm

I think that’s a fair point, flyingpylon. I don’t know if it accurately reflects the reasons for the majority of these people leaving, but perhaps it doesn’t matter.
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by l82start » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:11 pm

i am guessing a certain percentage of the people leaving is due to their being government workers.. used to having no accountability, passing the buck, and generally working political jobs where the only thing they really do is play politics to lever into the next one, the culture shock for a career bureaucratic being expected to preform and a business man used to having real world employees who do preform, is probably tough on both sides and leads to contentious relationships..
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by dualstow » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:30 pm

That sounds pretty much like what flyingpylon was saying. It must be true to an extent. But, it seems like there were just a few Nikki Haleys and John Kellys, vs an endless line of others through the revolving door.

Is it really a case of ‘they were the problem’ and Trump was not?
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Re: Will Trump be Re-elected?

Post by sophie » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:14 am

If it were just a few people leaving the White House staff I might think that. Some of the people leaving hint at constant bullying, temper tantrums/rages, and gaslighting that sound like there's more going on than just the shift from politics as usual to a business environment.

Shekel, are you serious about your statement about Trump's re-election being "a threat to national security"? That's the single scariest thing I've heard in a very, very long time - that anyone would use such an unsupported and frankly ridiculous statement to justify what amounts to a coup and overturning of a US election. That would do far more damage to our government system than 8 years of Trump's tweets put together.
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