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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:06 pm
by Cortopassi
tech (and others),

Any response to the natural ability statement? Do you think he may actually start losing his core as/if this gets out of hand?

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economic ... 20RgVB1XwQ

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:08 pm
by flyingpylon
Cortopassi wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:06 pm
tech (and others),

Any response to the natural ability statement? Do you think he may actually start losing his core as/if this gets out of hand?

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economic ... 20RgVB1XwQ
That article describes TDS type A and TDS type B, but I would argue there’s another option: ignore most of what a president says and judge them based on what actually does or does not get accomplished. If you generally approve, vote for them. If not, don’t. It really can be that simple.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:14 pm
by dualstow
I read somewhere that Trump has a 56% approval rating on his handling of the coronavirus. I don’t understand the high figure, but there it is.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:24 pm
by Tortoise
Even Scott Adams, one of the biggest admirers of Trump in the podcasting world, is pretty unhappy about how Trump has been handling the coronavirus and the related press conferences. He was almost cursing about it on one if his most recent episodes.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:28 pm
by Tortoise
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:58 pm
I haven't kept up with Scott Adams in the past few days. What exactly is he unhappy about? I think Trump has been doing everything possible.
The thing I heard Scott Adams rant about was the press conference where Trump said he’d prefer everyone on the cruise ship off the coast of California to remain on the ship, because if they disembarked it would make the U.S. coronavirus stats look worse.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:18 pm
by dualstow
It also wasn’t too cool when he just walked off the set of the press conference when reporters were asking about the appointment of Pence as coronaczar.
(as detailed in the John Oliver clip in the youtube thread)
To Alex Azar: “It sounds like you’re being replaced.”
Azar: “No, I’m still in charge and I’m delighted—“
{Trump leaves}
— that Vice President Pence will be on board...”

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:20 pm
by Cortopassi
I wonder if he gets the mortality rate differences. And fake news dropping the market. Uh huh. Just wait till we finally start really testing. I believe the scapegoats won't work anymore.

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:50 pm
by Tortoise
Libertarian666 wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:28 am
Tortoise wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:28 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:58 pm
I haven't kept up with Scott Adams in the past few days. What exactly is he unhappy about? I think Trump has been doing everything possible.
The thing I heard Scott Adams rant about was the press conference where Trump said he’d prefer everyone on the cruise ship off the coast of California to remain on the ship, because if they disembarked it would make the U.S. coronavirus stats look worse.
Ok, I agree that isn't a great thing to say. But did he forbid them to enter the country? Apparently not.
So it didn't actually affect anyone other than via perception.
Yeah, I don't think it was Trump's action that bothered Adams; it was his publicly stated justification for that action. One of the things that Adams likes most about Trump is his skill in persuasion and for saying things that generally inspire confidence in his supporters (not in his detractors, obviously).

Adams is 63 years old and has a respiratory issue (asthma), so he feels particularly vulnerable to COVID-19. Because of that, he was particularly critical of Trump's faux pas regarding the people quarantined on the cruise ship. It made Trump sound more concerned with his stats than with the health of the American people, which Adams really resented. Aside from Trump, he also thinks the rest of the U.S. government generally isn't being as proactive about COVID-19 as some other governments have been. At least initially, they took more of a "move along, nothing to see here" approach rather than being conservative and trying to really get ahead of it.

Adams became similarly angry toward China when his son-in-law died from an opiate overdose. When an issue involves his health or the health of someone he's close to, Adams takes it very personally and rants passionately on his podcast.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:46 pm
by vnatale
Tortoise wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:50 pm


Adams became similarly angry toward China when his son-in-law died from an opiate overdose. When an issue involves his health or the health of someone he's close to, Adams takes it very personally and rants passionately on his podcast.

Is this in any similar to when a politician's view on an issue "evolves" after the position they'd formerly taken now affects someone in their family in a negative way?

Vinny

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:06 pm
by vnatale
https://www.salon.com/2020/03/13/a-disa ... residency/

A disastrous week that may define — or doom — Donald Trump's presidency

A botched Oval Office speech, a Wall Street collapse — and an epidemic that has already reached the White House


Vinny

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:56 pm
by Cortopassi
I am listening to his press conf right now. I need alcohol. They all might as well be blowing him.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:01 pm
by dualstow
😂 It’s a better conference than the last speech, though.
Doesn’t Tony Fauci seem spry for a 79-year-old?

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:02 pm
by flyingpylon
Cortopassi wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:56 pm
I am listening to his press conf right now. I need alcohol. They all might as well be blowing him.
Stock market seems to like it.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:04 pm
by pmward
Yeah, this is a much better than the one on Wed. The one on Wed sent people into a panic, as evidenced by the market. This one helped put people at ease, also as evidenced by the market. I also do not think it was unintentional that they had this scheduled to cover the market close.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:26 pm
by dualstow
Hah! The timing, I hadn’t thought of that!
Ooh, OAN (news channel) asking about how some Chinese officials are suggesting that the U.S. created this virus. That really is an awful thing coming not from some guy in the wumaodang but from the Foreign Ministry!

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:28 pm
by Cortopassi
They had the Dow off to the side during the conference. Don’t know if it was real time or delayed.

Regardless, all the grade and high schools are now closed here. I heard nothing giving me any confidence. They are still talking about more testing in the future. The lady doc held up a flowchart. One side was no symptoms, no test. Not sure how that will help limit spread when if, say you’ve been around someone but aren’t showing symptoms, you can’t get a test.

The almost 100% comeback from yesterday, if based off this press conf, was unwarranted. My opinion.

And I am so damn tired about how America is the best at everything. I picture every non US person watching rolling their eyes.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:39 pm
by pmward
Haha, I think we are lucky the market closed before the Q&A, because this has devolved into a circus show very quickly!

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:44 pm
by dualstow
I know the people need answers, but I felt a kind of relief when journalists’ mics were cut as they tried a second aggressive question. And they were cut so promptly! O0

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:18 pm
by Cortopassi
My wife is of Chinese descent.

I am interested to know if Trump calling it the Chinese Virus is offensive to you.

If it started in Italy, or Canada, do you think he'd be calling it the Italian Virus or the Canadian Virus?

*Yes, I know there's the Spanish Flu, but that was 100 years ago.*

Italy has now surpassed China in deaths. If restaurants and areas were still open, do you think Americans would stop patronizing Little Italy's and Italian restaurants like we did Chinatowns?

*Please don't deflect and post links to stories that he wasn't the first one to call it the Chinese virus. I will grant you that. But he is continuing it.*

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:22 pm
by Smith1776
Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:18 pm
My wife is of Chinese descent.

I am interested to know if Trump calling it the Chinese Virus is offensive to you.

If it started in Italy, or Canada, do you think he'd be calling it the Italian Virus or the Canadian Virus?

*Yes, I know there's the Spanish Flu, but that was 100 years ago.*

Italy has now surpassed China in deaths. If restaurants and areas were still open, do you think Americans would stop patronizing Little Italy's and Italian restaurants like we did Chinatowns?

*Please don't deflect and post links to stories that he wasn't the first one to call it the Chinese virus. I will grant you that. But he is continuing it.*
I'd say I'm mildly offended, but also not surprised at Trump's vernacular.

The issue with the word "Chinese" is that it's ambiguous. Chinese may refer to someone's ethnicity, but it may also simply refer to someone's nationality.

For instance, if you are Caucasian but from China, you are Chinese.

If Trump is referring to nationality, I'm not super offended. If he means it in terms of ethnicity, super offended.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:26 pm
by flyingpylon
Smith1776 wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:22 pm
If Trump is referring to nationality, I'm not super offended. If he means it in terms of ethnicity, super offended.
What about if Trump clearly meant the country of China, but the media tries to twist it into ethnicity despite the fact that he explicitly said that was not the reason and yet the media persists?

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:27 pm
by dualstow
Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:18 pm
My wife is of Chinese descent.

I am interested to know if Trump calling it the Chinese Virus is offensive to you.

If it started in Italy, or Canada, do you think he'd be calling it the Italian Virus or the Canadian Virus?

*Yes, I know there's the Spanish Flu, but that was 100 years ago.*

German measles? Ebola is named after a region that is named after a river. It's just not a well-known placename.

My beloved is also of Chinese descent, 100%. Her opinion is not any different from Trump's. It came from China.
The Left & Dems are going ape-sh*t, saying he's a racist.
I think that what lies between is that people who are already racist might be a little more emboldened to be obnoxious about it.

Italy has now surpassed China in deaths. If restaurants and areas were still open, do you think Americans would stop patronizing Little Italy's and Italian restaurants like we did Chinatowns?

They probably would have in the past when Italians were the victims of racism and heavily discriminated against. Nowadays, anyone who is white is "in the club" and the more different you are (black, Chinese), the longer it takes for racism to be overcome.

EDIT: while composing this and previewing, I saw Smith's response. Yeah, Kung-flu is obviously racist. I wouldn't be too excited if this started in Israel and people called it Jew-flu. That'll happen someday. But Chinese is vague. Maybe they should call it the Wuhan virus?

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:29 pm
by Smith1776
flyingpylon wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:26 pm
Smith1776 wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:22 pm
If Trump is referring to nationality, I'm not super offended. If he means it in terms of ethnicity, super offended.
What about if Trump clearly meant the country of China, but the media tries to twist it into ethnicity despite the fact that he explicitly said that was not the reason and yet the media persists?
I'd say Trump should have been smart enough to avoid the world "Chinese" to begin with, and sidestep this whole kerfuffle. But we all know he's really not that smart. :o

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:29 pm
by Benko
There are weeks of reporters from many networks all calling it the Chinese /town name virus (you can find them on YouTube)

History is full of flu’s being named by location.

Smith: Trump purposely called it that. He’s not going to let left wing turkeys tell us what words are and aren’t acceptable.

Has the board been taken over by SJWs?

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:29 pm
by dualstow