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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by vnatale » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:50 am

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When he did his sing song of this:

"We will have a national emergency, and we will then be sued, and they will sue us in the 9th Circuit, even though it shouldn't be there, and we will possibly get a bad ruling, and then we'll get another bad ruling, and then we'll end up in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we'll get a fair shake and we'll win in the Supreme Court."

I thought: God damn. The president of the United States is up there like a valley girl.

He is so contradictory in virtually every sentence he utters it is mind boggling.

"No, no, I use many stats. I use many stats."

Pretty sure he would never make it as an engineer or any kind of analyst.

Back to my questions a few days ago of:

1) You'd like your daughter to marry him
2) You'd like to be his coworker (NOT him being your boss)
3) You'd hire him to be the president of which you are 100% owner

And, I fully believe that running this country HAS to be the most complicated / complex job of any other job in the country.

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

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stuper1 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:04 pm
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"Meanwhile American culture continues to disappear. Big business wants the money and couldn't care less about culture."

As a stockholder you are big business. And what is "culture." We want immigrants who will increase GDP and not drain it, maybe instead of a border wall it should be an obstacle course
What is culture? I googled it. It says culture is the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group. Are you saying that you don't believe that is actually a real thing? Do you enjoy traveling? When you go to China is it the same as going to Zimbabwe? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Personally, I think it's a good thing. It makes traveling more enjoyable.

Believe it or not, America has a culture too. Big business is ruining our culture by encouraging immigration at rates that are too high to allow the immigrants to assimilate to our culture. Instead they tend to stay in their own groups and keep too much of their own culture. Is that a good thing? I say no. If they want to keep their own culture, why don't they stay in their own country and improve it from within? But it's really not the immigrants' fault. You can't blame them for wanting to better their own standard of living. It's the fault of the powers in this country for allowing too much legal and illegal immigration.

I have no idea whether you were born in this country or how old you are. I was born in the mid-1960s. I can certainly say that the America I live in today is quite different from the one I grew up in. I don't think the changes are for the better.

After tonight reading all you've written I'm surprised to find out that you are 10-15 years YOUNGER than me!

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

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boglerdude wrote:
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> I have no idea whether you were born in this country or how old you are. I was born in the mid-1960s. I can certainly say that the America I live in today is quite different from the one I grew up in. I don't think the changes are for the better.

You're about 10 years older than me. Describe what you've personally seen and how it compares to the mass media narratives =)
And, that then makes you 20-25 years YOUNGER than me. Yet we seem to share somewhat similar worldviews.

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by boglerdude » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:13 am

Vinny lets talk about your ADHD?
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:50 am

vnatale wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:50 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:43 pm
When he did his sing song of this:

"We will have a national emergency, and we will then be sued, and they will sue us in the 9th Circuit, even though it shouldn't be there, and we will possibly get a bad ruling, and then we'll get another bad ruling, and then we'll end up in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we'll get a fair shake and we'll win in the Supreme Court."

I thought: God damn. The president of the United States is up there like a valley girl.

He is so contradictory in virtually every sentence he utters it is mind boggling.

"No, no, I use many stats. I use many stats."

Pretty sure he would never make it as an engineer or any kind of analyst.

Back to my questions a few days ago of:

1) You'd like your daughter to marry him
2) You'd like to be his coworker (NOT him being your boss)
3) You'd hire him to be the president of which you are 100% owner

And, I fully believe that running this country HAS to be the most complicated / complex job of any other job in the country.

Vinny
Vinny, you are on fire! When I first joined this group I had thought about putting together a book of the best threads. But I immediately found that way too daunting.

You should do it. You've got the energy for it!

And for your questions, 1: Hell no. 2: Hell no. 3: I can see how this could be enticing because he is a win at any cost guy, but hell no.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:53 am

vnatale wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:00 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:49 am
flyingpylon wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:39 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:16 am
I read Bob Woodward's book Fear, and assuming his sources and details are accurate...
It might be worth reading some critical reviews of Fear and Woodward's other books for additional input, if you haven't already.
I will. And I assume it will dispute a lot of the accounts. The problem is, you can easily imagine that's the state of the White House given how he acts in public and on Twitter.

On the way Trump operates -- I have had 13 different jobs in almost 30 years of working. I have worked at companies where the owner/CEO/manager was a tyrant, a bigot, a narcissist, a back stabber, and a few where they were genuinely good people and motivators. Sure you can lead with a stick, but I have always performed my best when I had respect for my manager and/or the CEO vs. hating/fearing them.

13 jobs in 30 years!!! Were several of those jobs with some of the same companies? Or, also 13 different employers?!!

In the last 41 years I've been employed I've only had five employers (one of them was for only one year with all the others being fairly long-termed).

VInny
It is impossible to keep up with you and these embedded questions!

13 different employers. All job changes except one were due to layoffs, downsizing, outsourcing. Why I've cautioned both my daughters not to be engineers.

Although I am coming up on 14 years at the same place, with a great environment and a CEO who was an engineer, knows his stuff, and knows how the process works.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by vnatale » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:53 am

boglerdude wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:13 am
Vinny lets talk about your ADHD?
I'm just about the complete opposite to this...


https://www.vyvanse.com/adhd-adult-symp ... &gclsrc=ds

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Libertarian666 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:07 am

vnatale wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:02 pm
Xan wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:57 pm
Gary has some "interesting" libertarian positions. Like that the baker should be forced to bake the homosexual cake. Audible gasps from the audience during the LP debate when he dropped that bombshell. Don't know how he still got the nomination. Says something about how crazy the other candidates were, I suppose. John McAfee was one.
I have a question in regards to your second sentence.

I assume that the law says that this is what should happen so that there is not bias against someone due to the person's sexual orientation?

However, I as an accountant will not do work for someone or an organization whose product I find objectional and a detriment to society. There are no laws against refusing to do work for someone on that basis?

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I'm sure if the "progressives" attain more power they will pass laws making it illegal to refuse to do anything on the basis of moral objections... but only if the moral objector is a conservative. Refusing to bake a cake for a traditional wedding, for example, will not be punished.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Libertarian666 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:12 am

vnatale wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:10 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:53 am
I have gone from wanting him to drain the swamp, to voting for him, to cringing at tweets, to yelling at the TV, and finally just wanting him to go back home and let somebody else do this job. This is a non-stop reality show nightmare.

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He DID get impeached.....And, so far the Market has NOT crashed!

Vinny
That's because no one takes the impeachment seriously.
If he were actually in any danger of removal, the market would indeed crash.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Libertarian666 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:12 am

vnatale wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:20 am
stuper1 wrote:
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John McCain had character.
I'm curious to know what evidence you have for this statement? I can find plenty of places on the internet where people claim that McCain was a show-off pilot who never would have crashed in Vietnam if he hadn't been flying inappropriately. And that he then behaved dishonorably and disloyally in prison. That he left his first wife when he found another woman with a lot more money. That he had dishonest dealings related to the savings and loan scandal. That he was only too happy to send America to war whenever possible, thereby enriching the military-industrial complex, but causing many of our young people to come home with limbs missing or worse, not to mention far worse casualty levels among the native inhabitants. And the list goes on.

Now, I don't know whether all that stuff is true. But I also don't know whether the hagiography peddled by the mainstream media is true. I tend to think the latter is just pablum meant to keep the masses happy.
I join you in NOT being a McCain fan. Again from watching so much C-Span I saw a lot of him, including the time he'd spend mingling with voters after campaign events and hearing what he said to them. I always thought him to be Mr. Ingenuine with no principles.

Vinny
Oh, he had character all right.
The character of a criminal.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Cortopassi » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:14 pm

Not sure if this deserves a separate thread, but what do people think of the recent pardons/commutations?
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

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Cortopassi wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:14 pm
Not sure if this deserves a separate thread, but what do people think of the recent pardons/commutations?
I was just posting the same in a similar thread.
I think it's bullshite.
Even the Republicans warned him that this was the kind of corruption he was going to fight, once upon a time.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Cortopassi » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:06 pm

tech (and others),

Any response to the natural ability statement? Do you think he may actually start losing his core as/if this gets out of hand?

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economic ... 20RgVB1XwQ
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

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Cortopassi wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:06 pm
tech (and others),

Any response to the natural ability statement? Do you think he may actually start losing his core as/if this gets out of hand?

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economic ... 20RgVB1XwQ
That article describes TDS type A and TDS type B, but I would argue there’s another option: ignore most of what a president says and judge them based on what actually does or does not get accomplished. If you generally approve, vote for them. If not, don’t. It really can be that simple.
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Post by dualstow » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:14 pm

I read somewhere that Trump has a 56% approval rating on his handling of the coronavirus. I don’t understand the high figure, but there it is.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Tortoise » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:24 pm

Even Scott Adams, one of the biggest admirers of Trump in the podcasting world, is pretty unhappy about how Trump has been handling the coronavirus and the related press conferences. He was almost cursing about it on one if his most recent episodes.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Tortoise » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:28 pm

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I haven't kept up with Scott Adams in the past few days. What exactly is he unhappy about? I think Trump has been doing everything possible.
The thing I heard Scott Adams rant about was the press conference where Trump said he’d prefer everyone on the cruise ship off the coast of California to remain on the ship, because if they disembarked it would make the U.S. coronavirus stats look worse.
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Post by dualstow » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:18 pm

It also wasn’t too cool when he just walked off the set of the press conference when reporters were asking about the appointment of Pence as coronaczar.
(as detailed in the John Oliver clip in the youtube thread)
To Alex Azar: “It sounds like you’re being replaced.”
Azar: “No, I’m still in charge and I’m delighted—“
{Trump leaves}
— that Vice President Pence will be on board...”
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:20 pm

I wonder if he gets the mortality rate differences. And fake news dropping the market. Uh huh. Just wait till we finally start really testing. I believe the scapegoats won't work anymore.

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

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Libertarian666 wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:28 am
Tortoise wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:28 pm
Libertarian666 wrote:
Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:58 pm
I haven't kept up with Scott Adams in the past few days. What exactly is he unhappy about? I think Trump has been doing everything possible.
The thing I heard Scott Adams rant about was the press conference where Trump said he’d prefer everyone on the cruise ship off the coast of California to remain on the ship, because if they disembarked it would make the U.S. coronavirus stats look worse.
Ok, I agree that isn't a great thing to say. But did he forbid them to enter the country? Apparently not.
So it didn't actually affect anyone other than via perception.
Yeah, I don't think it was Trump's action that bothered Adams; it was his publicly stated justification for that action. One of the things that Adams likes most about Trump is his skill in persuasion and for saying things that generally inspire confidence in his supporters (not in his detractors, obviously).

Adams is 63 years old and has a respiratory issue (asthma), so he feels particularly vulnerable to COVID-19. Because of that, he was particularly critical of Trump's faux pas regarding the people quarantined on the cruise ship. It made Trump sound more concerned with his stats than with the health of the American people, which Adams really resented. Aside from Trump, he also thinks the rest of the U.S. government generally isn't being as proactive about COVID-19 as some other governments have been. At least initially, they took more of a "move along, nothing to see here" approach rather than being conservative and trying to really get ahead of it.

Adams became similarly angry toward China when his son-in-law died from an opiate overdose. When an issue involves his health or the health of someone he's close to, Adams takes it very personally and rants passionately on his podcast.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by vnatale » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:46 pm

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Adams became similarly angry toward China when his son-in-law died from an opiate overdose. When an issue involves his health or the health of someone he's close to, Adams takes it very personally and rants passionately on his podcast.

Is this in any similar to when a politician's view on an issue "evolves" after the position they'd formerly taken now affects someone in their family in a negative way?

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by vnatale » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:06 pm

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/13/a-disa ... residency/

A disastrous week that may define — or doom — Donald Trump's presidency

A botched Oval Office speech, a Wall Street collapse — and an epidemic that has already reached the White House


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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Cortopassi » Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:56 pm

I am listening to his press conf right now. I need alcohol. They all might as well be blowing him.
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Post by dualstow » Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:01 pm

😂 It’s a better conference than the last speech, though.
Doesn’t Tony Fauci seem spry for a 79-year-old?
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

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Cortopassi wrote:
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I am listening to his press conf right now. I need alcohol. They all might as well be blowing him.
Stock market seems to like it.
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