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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:27 pm
by Mountaineer
moda0306 wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:55 pm
Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:31 pm
moda0306 wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:48 pm


I didn't assume anything. You can't spend more time in one circle than another outer circle that completely engulfs it. Your phrasing presupposes that the circles can't be concentric. :)

And more to the point is that Maddy (nor myself) is in-fact not at all focusing on her circle of influence... nor is anyone when they're debating global politics or political sources on a discussion forum.
I believe, potentially in error, you may be assuming two dimensional geometry and discounting time as a fourth dimension. ;)
Maybe I'm just salty because every time I focus on my circle of influence, I influence too much beer and junk food into my belly and piss people off with my sense of humor.

Better to research and debate things online... less damage to be done! :)
Nah, skip the research and debate; focus on beer and barbecued brisket with Desert - total health food. I’m dreaming of it as I write. ;D ;D ;D

PS. I’m waiting for you to comment on my parallels post in this thread. Perhaps after a few beers. :)

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:36 pm
by moda0306
Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:27 pm
moda0306 wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:55 pm
Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:31 pm


I believe, potentially in error, you may be assuming two dimensional geometry and discounting time as a fourth dimension. ;)
Maybe I'm just salty because every time I focus on my circle of influence, I influence too much beer and junk food into my belly and piss people off with my sense of humor.

Better to research and debate things online... less damage to be done! :)
Nah, skip the research and debate; focus on beer and barbecued brisket with Desert - total health food. I’m dreaming of it as I write. ;D ;D ;D

PS. I’m waiting for you to comment on my parallels post in this thread. Perhaps after a few beers. :)
Parallels... didn't we once decide here that "Groups Suck?" I think it fits your parallels piece.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:46 pm
by Maddy
I spent the afternoon taking care of business in a nearby small town which has been economically depressed for the entire time I've been here (almost 9 years now). All kinds of new businesses are springing up, as though somebody flipped a switch. And the "help wanted" signs, which have been nonexistent for as long as I can remember, seem to be everywhere. I have mixed feelings about all this change, but there's no doubt the policies of the present administration have been a godsend for a lot of lower to lower-middle class people in rural America. Which got me to thinking about this thread and about the charge that the present administration's tax and administrative reforms make Trump just another whore of the Elite, and I thought, "What difference does it make whether the 1% benefit incidentally from these changes? I think some people are so mired in jealousy and resentment that they'd sooner see the lower and middle classes go to ruin than allow the wealthy to flourish.

This is not to say that the widening gap between the "haves" and the "have nots" isn't a problem. But this administration has, perhaps for the first time in recent history, actually signaled an intent to do something about the monopolies and paramonopolies that, more than anything else, have fueled the wealth divide. I have to applaud this administration on both counts because the answer, it seems to me, is less government and more old-fashioned free enterprise, which is something we haven't seen in quite a while.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:58 pm
by stuper1
However, don't forget that there is no way that Trump will ever be able to negotiate effectively with Mexico after all the bad things he (supposedly) said about Mexicans during his campaign. Oh, wait a minute . . . did I just see that there was a new trade deal with Mexico as of this week? Maybe this Trump guy actually knows a little bit about negotiation after all.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:53 am
by boglerdude
> All kinds of new businesses are springing up, as though somebody flipped a switch. And the "help wanted" signs, which have been nonexistent for as long as I can remember, seem to be everywhere.

So folks were sitting around twiddling their thumbs under Obama, unable to figure out how to make money....then Trump did what exactly

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:22 am
by moda0306
Maddy wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 8:46 pm
I spent the afternoon taking care of business in a nearby small town which has been economically depressed for the entire time I've been here (almost 9 years now). All kinds of new businesses are springing up, as though somebody flipped a switch. And the "help wanted" signs, which have been nonexistent for as long as I can remember, seem to be everywhere. I have mixed feelings about all this change, but there's no doubt the policies of the present administration have been a godsend for a lot of lower to lower-middle class people in rural America. Which got me to thinking about this thread and about the charge that the present administration's tax and administrative reforms make Trump just another whore of the Elite, and I thought, "What difference does it make whether the 1% benefit incidentally from these changes? I think some people are so mired in jealousy and resentment that they'd sooner see the lower and middle classes go to ruin than allow the wealthy to flourish.

This is not to say that the widening gap between the "haves" and the "have nots" isn't a problem. But this administration has, perhaps for the first time in recent history, actually signaled an intent to do something about the monopolies and paramonopolies that, more than anything else, have fueled the wealth divide. I have to applaud this administration on both counts because the answer, it seems to me, is less government and more old-fashioned free enterprise, which is something we haven't seen in quite a while.
Do you mean actual firms?

I haven't heard Trump say anything about breaking up banks, global corporations, telecomms, etc. Did you mean something else? Renegotiating free trade, reducing taxes, and reducing regulations is hardly a signal to "do something" about monopolies... I'm assuming you're talking about something else...

One could make the argument that those policies are good for us, but that's a very different thing than breaking up monopolies.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:41 am
by dualstow
Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:27 pm
Nah, skip the research and debate; focus on beer and barbecued brisket with Desert - total health food. I’m dreaming of it as I write. ;D ;D ;D


mmm, Brisket Summit.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:13 am
by Mountaineer
Desert wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:03 am
Mountaineer wrote:
Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:01 am
The Nation is the oldest continuously published weekly magazine in the United States, and the most widely read weekly journal of progressive political and cultural news, opinion, and analysis.

Godwin's Law rules! ;) It appears a goal of The Nation is to create heaven on earth via its articles. The bias against Trump (via not so subtle allusions to Hitler) is obvious in the linked article. The articles I looked at are not quite SJW on steroids but lean heavily that way in my opinion. Not to get too religious, but this is a case where the proper distinction of God's Law and God's Gospel is really helpful. Life is so much less stressful and more peaceful when we try to build each other and our government up rather than tear each other down.
I'm not sure where your "heaven on earth" narrative comes from. You've said things like that before, but I'm not sure what you mean by it. I'd like to suggest that perhaps not creating hell on earth, at the very least, would be a reasonable thing for Christians to support. In a previous post, I mentioned that Matthew 25 must be deleted from standard issue GOP Bibles these days. Yes, life is less stressful when we just go with the flow. If one happens to be born into the right economic class and race, and grow up within a decent family, it's not that hard to do. It's easy to go with the flow, to take the wide road. The good Samaritan chose to do otherwise. This week's meeting between Trump and a power-hungry crowd of Evangelical pastors was sickening. I'm reminded of Jesus trashing the money changers tables in the temple; perhaps he should have just been more peaceful, and supported those guys. It's usually hard to stand up for what's right, and to defend truth. And yes, I still believe in discernible truth, despite the current Orwellian effort to claim otherwise.

You highlighted that The Nation is a *progressive* publication, as if you were a cat that just caught a mouse. If you'd turn off Breitbart, Fox and the Federalist long enough to look at some history, you'd find that progressives have done much to improve our society and reduce the hell on earth that so many good religious folks supported. Indeed, it was the good, wealthy, right wing religious folks that Jesus spoke most strongly against.

In our form of government, it's our *duty* to speak truth to power, and to stand up for what's right. Our government works for us, not the other way around. And as the famous quote says, all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. I'm not going to be that sort of person, no matter how many well-meaning religious folks would prefer that I was.
I don't have time for a complete response (have to go to doctor appointment, then drive my grandson back to Frederick) but in short, I agree with most of what you said and FWIW, I don't watch Fox, read Breitbart or the Federalist much, almost none; ditto CBS, NBC, ABC. Sometimes I watch the local news which tends to be only about 90% of the yuck factor national stuff. I think the much news in general is so biased, i.e. commentary and not news, as to be almost worthless. I try to focus on what I can control - other than doing research prior to voting there is not much I can do about corrupt politicians. I can focus on my family and friends and the beautiful sunny day; and dream of your brisket. O0

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:15 pm
by stuper1
Desert wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:03 am
In our form of government, it's our *duty* to speak truth to power, and to stand up for what's right.
Would you care to elaborate for us on "what's right"? For example, our nation has laws on the books for a process that people are supposed to take if they want to immigrate here. I imagine that every other nation on earth has similar laws. Trump gets heavily criticized because he wants to enforce those laws. Is that not "right" to enforce laws that are on the books? If people would like to change the laws, then fine, get enough support together to pass a new law that says we will have open borders. But until that time, is it not the President's job and the "right" thing to do to enforce the laws that are on the books. Just because the establishment wants open borders so they can have cheap labor and a growing population of consumers doesn't make it "right".

Sure, I get it, Trump's a loudmouthed, crass, immoral buffoon. I readily admit that. I would much prefer a more dignified president. But that doesn't mean that Trump's policies are bogus. There is a reason he got elected in a fair election, at least as fair as any other American election, which may not be saying much.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:23 am
by Maddy
boglerdude wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:53 am
> All kinds of new businesses are springing up, as though somebody flipped a switch. And the "help wanted" signs, which have been nonexistent for as long as I can remember, seem to be everywhere.

So folks were sitting around twiddling their thumbs under Obama, unable to figure out how to make money....then Trump did what exactly
The majority were not twiddling their thumbs; they were driven out of the logging jobs that had sustained their families for decades due to cratering timber prices, excessive regulation, and the migration of timber companies (e.g., Weyerhaeuser) overseas. The year that the feds dumped a whole new set of responsibilities on employers for providing health insurance, a number of companies that had traditionally provided decent jobs for low and moderately-skilled laborers laid off workers in droves. For many years, the only reliable source of work was Walmart, which drove the last few independently-owned brick-and-mortar stores out of business--that is, what businesses were left after Amazon's monopoly got through with them.

Your characterization of rural America as "unable to figure out how to make money" is so far from reality I don't know what to say. If you said that around here, you'd probably get your head bashed in--most likely by somebody who was bucking bales by the age of 13 and whose body was trashed by the age of 35 from years of hard physical labor.
[T]hen Trump did what exactly?
Just one example out of this week's news:
On Thursday, President Trump issued a presidential memorandum that takes aim at a decades-old shipping agreement with a United Nations agency that gives some foreign countries, including China, a dramatically unfair advantage over American-based companies when it comes to shipping costs. The policy is costing American taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually and has made it extremely difficult for American companies to compete in the online marketplace.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/35132/wa ... benshapiro

That article hit home because it was just last night that a cattleman friend of mine was explaining that it is less costly to ship beef to the U.S. from Argentina than to ship it a few hundred miles to an adjacent state.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:06 am
by moda0306
Maddy wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:23 am
boglerdude wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:53 am
> All kinds of new businesses are springing up, as though somebody flipped a switch. And the "help wanted" signs, which have been nonexistent for as long as I can remember, seem to be everywhere.

So folks were sitting around twiddling their thumbs under Obama, unable to figure out how to make money....then Trump did what exactly
The majority were not twiddling their thumbs; they were driven out of the logging jobs that had sustained their families for decades due to cratering timber prices, excessive regulation, and the migration of timber companies (e.g., Weyerhaeuser) overseas. The year that the feds dumped a whole new set of responsibilities on employers for providing health insurance, a number of companies that had traditionally provided decent jobs for low and moderately-skilled laborers laid off workers in droves. For many years, the only reliable source of work was Walmart, which drove the last few independently-owned brick-and-mortar stores out of business--that is, what businesses were left after Amazon's monopoly got through with them.

Your characterization of rural America as "unable to figure out how to make money" is so far from reality I don't know what to say. If you said that around here, you'd probably get your head bashed in--most likely by somebody who was bucking bales by the age of 13 and whose body was trashed by the age of 35 from years of hard physical labor.
[T]hen Trump did what exactly?
Just one example out of this week's news:
On Thursday, President Trump issued a presidential memorandum that takes aim at a decades-old shipping agreement with a United Nations agency that gives some foreign countries, including China, a dramatically unfair advantage over American-based companies when it comes to shipping costs. The policy is costing American taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually and has made it extremely difficult for American companies to compete in the online marketplace.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/35132/wa ... benshapiro

That article hit home because it was just last night that a cattleman friend of mine was explaining that it is less costly to ship beef to the U.S. from Argentina than to ship it a few hundred miles to an adjacent state.
I'll give credit where it's due here. There could be some mitigating facts to this I'd be open to reading about, but it appears quite unfair, and I think it's a good thing Trump is taking action to eliminate this practice.

Now as to the connection between this practice and overall shipping costs, I have my doubts, but I have lots of doubts about all sorts of "Facts" posed by the left and right. Overall this is one good piece of evidence towards ONE move in the direction of better policy.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:13 am
by boglerdude
^ post those accomplishments in this thread?

> The year that the feds dumped a whole new set of responsibilities on employers for providing health insurance, a number of companies that had traditionally provided decent jobs for low and moderately-skilled laborers laid off workers in droves.

Ok, good data point. Health care is a human right but maybe its better to have none, vs forcing employers to provide it. Its a gov responsibility.

Podcast on unfair shipping costs:
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/23/64114014 ... ping-rates

Unfair/protectionist shipping practices by the US: http://www.americanshippingco.com/s.cfm ... -Jones-Act

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:47 am
by moda0306
MangoMan wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:14 pm
Moda, there has been a ton of this progress going on since Trump took office. If you can get past the tweets, blustering and the media's constant attacks on him, there have been some HUGE things going on.
Not to be a broken record, but I find most pro-trump sources to be ridiculous partisan garbage, so could you give me some sources to follow you've found reliable?

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:37 am
by moda0306
MangoMan wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:20 am
moda0306 wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:47 am
MangoMan wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 6:14 pm
Moda, there has been a ton of this progress going on since Trump took office. If you can get past the tweets, blustering and the media's constant attacks on him, there have been some HUGE things going on.
Not to be a broken record, but I find most pro-trump sources to be ridiculous partisan garbage, so could you give me some sources to follow you've found reliable?
The basic problem is that you dislike him so much that you can't see past it to the accomplishments. If you can ignore the abrasive personality (which I agree is difficult), here are just a few off the top of my head:

Unemployment, particularly for African Americans

- This is largely cyclical and outside of any president's hands in the short term imo. I didn't give obama a ton of credit for 7 years of lowering unemployment after the financial crisis. I certainly don't give Trump much for another year and a half of it absent some thorough evidence.

the Economy

Too vague. Need more specific markers. Or actual policy changes like the one I praised in that previous post.

the stock market

See comment above about unemployment.

consumer confidence

Terrible measure imo. Usually a harbinger for bad things.

near destruction of ISIS

I'd be open to an analysis on this, but my main go-to on foreign policy these days is the very anti-war Scott Horton, and I haven't heard anything impressive as it pertains to isis. Their time was bound to be limited.

better NAFTA

Open to evidence on this. Need actual evidence though not just a broad claim. Problem is most folks don't know jack about international trade so Trumpers are now learning on the fly as they try to give him credit on a complex topic they knew nothing about before his admin came to power.

trade policies with China

See NAFTA comment above.

progress on North Korea

I'll give small credit here but I have huge doubts whether flapping between threats of nuclear wa and heaping ridiculous praise are part of a cogent policy. Scott Horton who I mentioned above seems to like some of it though so I'm reserving judgment. Once again, N Korea is a complex topic so watching most Trumpers try to feign expertise on the topic leaves me annoyed. Waiting for a cogent Chomsky-esque Analysis that doesn't wreak of pro-Trump partisan drivel.

defunding of UN

Mostly ok with this.

defunding of European defense

Same.

defunding of the Palestinians

I think our funding of the Israeli apartheid state is far worse than anything we've ever done to help Palestinians out. His continued pandering to Israel is one of the reasons I think he's just another wolf-in-rapist-antiestablishment-maverick's-clothing.

I'd recommend a podcast on the Israel/Palestine conflict. Martyrmade by Darryl Cooper. "Fear and Loathing in New Jarusalem." Absolutely gut-wrenching stuff. He is pretty balanced, but I came away shocked at how little I knew about the topic.

Do you disagree that any of this has happened, or that is not MAGA?
See responses above. Sorry for lack of color I'm doing this from my phone.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:52 am
by moda0306
I'd consider one of Trump's accomplishments for the class he served and belongs to to be "tax reform." It hardly simplified the code (in fact complicated it significantly in the realm of pass through income) and massively expanded the deficit, but it DID significantly lower the amount business owners and corporations pay in.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/ ... n-gap-2020

Remember when during a massive recession we hit a trillion dollar deficit and "conservatives" were freaking out? Well now we are beyond Keynesianism... where we are running huge deficits even when things are good.

Now I'm not much of a deficit hawk, but we should use deficits to expand well-being for the average citizen. Not corporations that are the main beneficiaries of our massively expensive permanent-war surveillance state.

I find the deafening silence on this simultaneously predictable and astounding. All the inflation and interest rate hawks of the 2009-2014 timeframe were proven astoundingly wrong, but I did see Schiff at least staying consistent and denouncing "Trump's boom" the other day. Never thought I'd respect that guy again! :)

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:59 am
by moda0306
MangoMan wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:46 am
I give up.

I won't belabor the discussion further. If you don't think the things I listed are good for the country, well, you are entitled to your opinion.

The one comment I will make, without getting into an Israel/Palestine discussion, is that anybody who hates our guts should not be expecting money from us. I don't buy drinks for people who think I'm an a$$hole. Neither should the US.
You give up? You posted zero sources and just stated simple propositions. Did I strain your ability to assemble an argument or gather facts??

Did you give president Obama credit for lowering unemployment or consistent and significant stock market growth?

Did you ever bemoan certain details about NAFTA, NATO, or Chinese trade before you needed to reference them to make Trump look good?

The anti-intellectualism of the right is stronger than ever and I'm not going to just sit around and pretend your opinions and facts are all aligned. Trump could be doing amazing work, and you still would be failing at presenting facts to support it. You need to do more than three-word blurbs to present a cogent argument.

Post a deductive argument with data and conclusions that flow logically from the premises and I'll be open to any ideas that are presented well. I don't engage in hero worship or the opposite, so I'm willing to give credit to otherwise slimeballish rapists for something of limited scope if the facts support it. Hence my giving him tentative credit with regards to the freight costs for American vs other suppliers.

But you don't get to just spit out garbage and not get called out on it being incomplete or inconsistent or inadequately sourced (if at all).

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:14 am
by moda0306
It is interesting looking back on how many GD sources I (and others (Gumby that machine!!)) had to look up in the past to get around the crappy economic arguments of the Austrian crew. So much MMT, MR, historical deficit, interest rate, unemployment rate, GDP growth analysis. Where recessions accompanied other events, different types of monetary systems and why certains currencies collapsed. The number of sources we had to find to discuss these topics intelligently was nuts compared what I'm asked to accept today... Before giving up.

If you were someone who was parroting deficit/inflation hawkery back in 2009-2014, please acknowledge how wrong you were and do a fraction of the research I did to prove me that you are right today when discussing topics you discovered yesterday... when all you can do is point a three word blurb and utter "MAGA!" to prove your point, you just might be wrong.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:25 pm
by boglerdude
We'll see how attitudes change when the shrinking money supply causes a recession

Also, one of the better subreddits - https://old.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:58 am
by moda0306
MangoMan wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:24 pm
moda0306 wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:59 am
MangoMan wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:46 am
I give up.

I won't belabor the discussion further. If you don't think the things I listed are good for the country, well, you are entitled to your opinion.

The one comment I will make, without getting into an Israel/Palestine discussion, is that anybody who hates our guts should not be expecting money from us. I don't buy drinks for people who think I'm an a$$hole. Neither should the US.
You give up? You posted zero sources and just stated simple propositions. Did I strain your ability to assemble an argument or gather facts??
I give up bc you hand waive basically every point. I consider those statements to be common knowledge/fact, so providing a 'source' is not really relevant.

Did you give president Obama credit for lowering unemployment or consistent and significant stock market growth?
Huh? Are we talking about the same Obama?

Did you ever bemoan certain details about NAFTA, NATO, or Chinese trade before you needed to reference them to make Trump look good?
No, but that doesn't make it any less true.

The anti-intellectualism of the right is stronger than ever and I'm not going to just sit around and pretend your opinions and facts are all aligned. Trump could be doing amazing work, and you still would be failing at presenting facts to support it. You need to do more than three-word blurbs to present a cogent argument.
I don't consider myself a Republican. Do you think we as a country are better or worse off than when Obama left office?

Post a deductive argument with data and conclusions that flow logically from the premises and I'll be open to any ideas that are presented well. I don't engage in hero worship or the opposite, so I'm willing to give credit to otherwise slimeballish rapists for something of limited scope if the facts support it. Hence my giving him tentative credit with regards to the freight costs for American vs other suppliers.
I don't worship Trump. I don't even particularly like him. But he was elected president and I accept him, even as I accepted Obama who I liked even less, and Bush II who I liked even less than that. But most importantly, I give him credit where credit is due.

But you don't get to just spit out garbage and not get called out on it being incomplete or inconsistent or inadequately sourced (if at all).
Did someone pee in your coffee this morning? That's not very kind language. I didn't attack you, I simply have a different opinion of reality. Again, I don't think sources to my 'blurbs' are necessary, considering that the are common knowledge/fact. I'll still buy you a beer if you come to Chicago, though.
I don't have much time right now to dive into these things with you, but to the point of whether Obama had significant and consistent stock market growth and lowering unemployment...

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/market_cagr.htm

Like I said, I don't give him a lot of credit for that, and him allowing fraudulent banks to get bailed out with limited consequence still grinds my gears, but the facts are the facts here. Trump is just continuing what Obama did for 8 years. Maybe he can go for another 8! I don't know... but I won't give him much more or less credit than Obama on that. I even say to my lib friends that I think Clinton is probably more to blame for Bush for the 2008 crash (deregulating banks).

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:23 pm
by boglerdude
Greenspan under Bush ignored the FBI warnings about mortgage fraud. Plus the war. Money-printing smash n'grab

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2 ... s-flourish

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:07 pm
by stuper1
Here's a very interesting point I came across. It wasn't too long ago that the New York Times was publishing stories claiming that Trump was "paranoid" that people inside his administration were working against him.

This week the Times publishes an anonymous piece called "I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration".

You can be sure the Times won't be issuing a correction saying that they were wrong to call him paranoid when it turns out he was right.

These people are such a joke, acting righteous about being a lying scumbag who won't stand up to be counted for his so-called principles. If he had any principles he would resign his fat paying job and campaign for a supposedly better candidate to replace Trump in 2020.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 3:18 pm
by dualstow
You are absolutely right, and Trump was absolutely right.
Crazy world.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 5:50 pm
by Kriegsspiel
All's fair in love and war and LITERALLY OMG HITLER

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:15 pm
by ochotona
I think that op ed is probably a fake, but OMG it's really farking with POTUS' head, which was the intent. He's easily toyed with.

Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:32 am
by dualstow
ochotona wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:15 pm
I think that op ed is probably a fake, but OMG it's really farking with POTUS' head, which was the intent. He's easily toyed with.
It could be real, and if that’s the case— well, I wouldn’t want people doing this to the next president.