Trump as tragicomedy

[Libertarian666]

Congress is a place where some people like you, some of them hate you, some will try to help you, some will try to fuck you over. Some are noble people, some are pieces of shit. Like John Boehner said:

"We’ve got some of the smartest people in America who serve in the Congress, and we’ve got some of the dumbest. We have some of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet, and some that are Nazis. Congress is nothing more than a slice of America."

It's a slice all right, but mostly off the bottom of the barrel.
Very few sensible or reasonably moral people want to be, or can be elected to be, Congresspersons.
There are probably a few dozen exceptions, but the majority are morally and intellectually inferior to the average person in the US.

[dualstow]

No pun intended, but I'm trying to wrap my head around the fact that one of the two first Muslim women elected to congress decided that her first public statement after being sworn in was going to be "impeach the mother*****".

Only in America.

After spending the entire day out and about, I read this in the news. Then I came here and your post above was the next thing I saw. Though it would be hypocritical for Republicans to complain, I think it’s kind of sad that she’s getting down in the gutter with him.

She ran unopposed, right?

Of course, it’s just words. Let’s see how the deeds go. (I was about to use the word ‘behavior ‘, but for that I would inevitably be found guilty of white-/man-splaining).

[jacksonM]

Of course, it’s just words. Let’s see how the deeds go. (I was about to use the word ‘behavior ‘, but for that I would inevitably be found guilty of white-/man-splaining).

Good for you that you even knew that; I can't keep track anymore of what is acceptable to say and what isn't. Best just not to speak.

For the record I support the congresswoman's right to say "impeach the mother******". As a Muslim woman however, I wonder if she has any sense of appreciation for her right to say that without having to worry about having her head chopped off. I think the other Muslim congresswoman wears the veil so I can't help but wonder what she was thinking when she heard that.

[Libertarian666]

Of course, it’s just words. Let’s see how the deeds go. (I was about to use the word ‘behavior ‘, but for that I would inevitably be found guilty of white-/man-splaining).

Good for you that you even knew that; I can't keep track anymore of what is acceptable to say and what isn't. Best just not to speak.

For the record I support the congresswoman's right to say "impeach the mother******". As a Muslim woman however, I wonder if she has any sense of appreciation for her right to say that without having to worry about having her head chopped off.

I know the answer to that: "No".

[dualstow]

I’m shocked. I had no idea JacksonM was a Muslim woman!

[jacksonM]

I’m shocked. I had no idea JacksonM was a Muslim woman!

I have only a high school education in grammar. How could I have better said what I did to indicate I was not the Muslim woman I was talking about and avoid the confusion?

[stuper1]

Trump, the ultimate grammar Nazi, will have the SS visiting you soon to throw you into a caged death camp, along with all the journalists that are already rotting there.

[Xan]

I’m shocked. I had no idea JacksonM was a Muslim woman!

I have only a high school education in grammar. How could I have better said what I did to indicate I was not the Muslim woman I was talking about and avoid the confusion?

Sometimes there's not really much that can be done. And just because somebody can make a joke about some wording doesn't necessarily mean your meaning was unclear. That said, it would probably be clearer to change:

"As a Muslim woman however, I wonder if she has any sense of appreciation for her right to say that without having to worry about having her head chopped off."

to

"However, I wonder if she has any sense of appreciation for her right to say that as a Muslim woman without having to worry about having her head chopped off."

[Kriegsspiel]

Maybe jackson didn't play sports and thus doesn't know the proper way to deflect a ribbing. A standard "you son of a bitch" would all have been suitable. I would have gone for a "yea, my red burka says MAGA on it," but I have style.

[jacksonM]

Maybe jackson didn't play sports and thus doesn't know the proper way to deflect a ribbing. A standard "you son of a bitch" would all have been suitable. I would have gone for a "yea, my red burka says MAGA on it," but I have style.

Actually I preferred Xan's response because I really did want to know how to say it better and he was helpful. You son of a bitch.

[stuper1]

How about this: However, I wonder if she, as a Muslim woman, has any sense of appreciation for her right to say that without having to worry about having her head chopped off.

This is fun. Let's try re-writing a whole bunch of other posts and see who can do the best job.

[jacksonM]

How about this: However, I wonder if she, as a Muslim woman, has any sense of appreciation for her right to say that without having to worry about having her head chopped off.

This is fun. Let's try re-writing a whole bunch of other posts and see who can do the best job.

That sounds even better. Funny thing is that when I write posts I know my writing sucks even though I think I generally get my point across and it's not too bad for someone with my limited education.

I wrote computer code for a living and was very good at it. Unlike a blog post It had to be painstakingly perfect when you hit the Submit button. Or the shit would hit the fan BIG time. (last sentence is problematic in many ways, I know already).

[moda0306]

So a Palestinian woman should feel lucky and appreciative to live in the country who has helped Israel devastate her population, but a bloated Trust Fund Baby inheritor of hundreds of millions of dollars of daddy's money (and also lucky to be American vs living in several dozen alternatives) is a victim of "thu mediuh" and issues rightful scorn to libruls?

Only in America, indeed.

[Cortopassi]

If you have the time, Cillizza does these quite a lot. If you are a Trump supporter, don't even bother reading his inserted comments, rather just read how Trump talks. It is like drunk babbling at times.

He does this a lot, the maybe yes, maybe no comments. Is it to cover his ass both ways whatever the outcome?

Anyway, the next couple years will be fun to watch.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics ... index.html

[dualstow]

I’m shocked. I had no idea JacksonM was a Muslim woman!

I have only a high school education in grammar. How could I have better said what I did to indicate I was not the Muslim woman I was talking about and avoid the confusion?

You didn’t say anything wrong. I was just purposely misinterpreting- my lame attempt at humor. I was away from the third to the tenth. (yes, I posted on the 6th). Interesting to read the intense replies that came in while I was gone. Whew.

[dualstow]

So a Palestinian woman should feel lucky and appreciative to live in the country who has helped Israel devastate her population,

Yes she should. The head chopping line is valid (ooh, that would make a nice out-of-context sig line). Here’s the thing about coming into/being born in America: you don’t get to magically make your country act on the side of your homeland or ancestry or ethnicity, because your “enemies” are here, too, lobbying in their direction, not yours. However, you do have freedoms that you probably would not have in grandma’s country. (Redneck accent) And if you don’t like it, you can git the hell out.

Moda, I spent some of November and December reading about the mass ethnic cleansing of Jews in Iraq. I’m confused: should I be happy that my country invaded Iraq and bungled nation-building there (payback), or should I be happy that we made an honest effort (maybe they’ll eventually become a democracy and will even let the Jews back in someday?)

[WiseOne]

I'm sure our Muslim congresswomen are indeed happy to be living in a country where they can do things like drive, leave the house alone, hold public office, and not be killed for violating restrictive social mores.

Which is not incompatible with disliking Trump. I just hope they stop and think for a moment that this wonderful state of freedom is inextricably linked with other people's freedom to hold different political views from their own.

[dualstow]

Amen. I wish both sides would stop and think about that.

[Mountaineer]

I'm sure our Muslim congresswomen are indeed happy to be living in a country where they can do things like drive, leave the house alone, hold public office, and not be killed for violating restrictive social mores.

Which is not incompatible with disliking Trump. I just hope they stop and think for a moment that this wonderful state of freedom is inextricably linked with other people's freedom to hold different political views from their own.

Well said!

[moda0306]

So a Palestinian woman should feel lucky and appreciative to live in the country who has helped Israel devastate her population,

Yes she should. The head chopping line is valid (ooh, that would make a nice out-of-context sig line). Here’s the thing about coming into/being born in America: you don’t get to magically make your country act on the side of your homeland or ancestry or ethnicity, because your “enemies” are here, too, lobbying in their direction, not yours. However, you do have freedoms that you probably would not have in grandma’s country. (Redneck accent) And if you don’t like it, you can git the hell out.

Moda, I spent some of November and December reading about the mass ethnic cleansing of Jews in Iraq. I’m confused: should I be happy that my country invaded Iraq and bungled nation-building there (payback), or should I be happy that we made an honest effort (maybe they’ll eventually become a democracy and will even let the Jews back in someday?)

Your first part leaves out the entire second half of my question. Generally, I think we all should feel a lot luckier, whether we're a Palestinian living in America, an "overtaxed" whiner pulling in $150-300k during the best time to be alive with an upper-middle-class income, or an obese trust-fund-baby who acts like the world's largest victim and god's gift to negotiating. We all have it pretty good, historically.

And I don't know what your latter false-dichotomy has to do with anything I mentioned. I don't think you should be "happy" with either option as one is vindictive, murderous and engaging in collectivist violence on a disgusting scale, and the other is false and wreaks of being a cuck to our national security establishment that only seems to have distaste for murderous regimes when they cease being a profitable partner to elite capital interests. I don't know if there was more hidden message to your question but if there was it blew over my head.

[dualstow]

Your first part leaves out the entire second half of my question.

Right, the Trump thing. We are in agreement on Trump. And as WiseOne pointed out, disliking Trump does not mean she takes her freedoms for granted.

And I don't know what your latter false-dichotomy has to do with anything I mentioned.
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I don't know if there was more hidden message to your question but if there was it blew over my head.

No hidden message, but what I supplied was context and what you supplied was far closer to a false dichotomy. Trump does not hail from a head-chopping nation, nor do his ancestors. Like Tlaib, I'm sure he's happy to have grown up in the U.S., but his media complaints are neither here nor there. (But again, you and I probably have the same feelings regarding him).

And by the way, she lied about her stance on Israel before the primary. Not an auspicious beginning for this young politician. I don't see any more reason to take her at her word than Trump at his.

[Kriegsspiel]

On Tlaib’s candidate page on the J Street PAC website, on which supporters can donate to her directly, the description states that Tlaib “believes that the U.S. should be directly involved with negotiations to reach a two-state solution. Additionally, she supports all current aid to Israel and the Palestinian Authority, particularly to fund initiatives that ‘foster peace, as well as economic and humanitarian services.’ Tlaib does not support the expansion of settlements and believes that they make it difficult to reach a sustainable two-state solution.”

On the eve of the primary, Steve Tobocman, a senior adviser to Tlaib, told Haaretz that she supported a two-state solution. Tobocman added that while the Palestinian-American congressional nominee hasn’t issued any position papers regarding any other aspects of foreign policy, she has done so on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, because she “sought out the support and received the endorsement of J Street.”

But in a post-victory interview with the website “In These Times,” Tlaib, who talked about her Palestinian family – including a grandfather “who was shot 11 times” – outlined very different positions than those represented by J Street.

Asked whether she supported a one-state or two-state solution, her response was clear: “One state. It has to be one state. Separate but equal does not work. I’m only 42-years old but my teachers were of that generation that marched with Martin Luther King. This whole idea of a two-state solution, it doesn’t work.”

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premiu ... -1.6387175

And by the way, she lied about her stance on Israel before the primary. Not an auspicious beginning for this young politician. I don't see any more reason to take her at her word than Trump at his.

Don't be so culturally insensitive. That was a taqiya, a critical element of the Muslim faith, you racist!

[dualstow]

I guess I forgot myself.

[moda0306]

Your first part leaves out the entire second half of my question.

Right, the Trump thing. We are in agreement on Trump. And as WiseOne pointed out, disliking Trump does not mean she takes her freedoms for granted.

And I don't know what your latter false-dichotomy has to do with anything I mentioned.
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I don't know if there was more hidden message to your question but if there was it blew over my head.

No hidden message, but what I supplied was context and what you supplied was far closer to a false dichotomy. Trump does not hail from a head-chopping nation, nor do his ancestors. Like Tlaib, I'm sure he's happy to have grown up in the U.S., but his media complaints are neither here nor there. (But again, you and I probably have the same feelings regarding him).

And by the way, she lied about her stance on Israel before the primary. Not an auspicious beginning for this young politician. I don't see any more reason to take her at her word than Trump at his.

I agree that Talib may be wildly hypocritical... I don't put much weight on the positions of a junior congresswoman.

My response was to Jackson's seeming double-standard... and as he's someone we action have to interact with on the forum, I felt it was worth responding.

So yes... no reason to believe her, either. And no it really has nothing to do with Trump being a puke, other than being a good way to tell who out there is a hypocrite towards privilege, lying, etc.

[jacksonM]

My response was to Jackson's seeming double-standard... and as he's someone we action have to interact with on the forum, I felt it was worth responding.

I'm flattered.