Trump as tragicomedy

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by sophie » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:06 am

I'm sure there is. I thought her reasoning actually had a rational basis until she got to the part about Trump threatening the survival of the human species. But, I wouldn't presume to make a diagnosis without having done an exam :-).

Ironically, it's been informally observed from the inside that many students who go into psychiatry are, let us say, in need of the free mental health benefit (they all get career-long counseling & psychoanalysis).
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Maddy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:56 pm

Ah, c'mon, Sophie. Put on your psychiatrist hat and enjoy the creative license. It's not like you have to do an exam or anything. Just pick five out of nine criteria that look like they fit.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by sophie » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:46 am

OK then. You can't go wrong with borderline personality disorder with a hint of narcissism. Of course, that describes pretty much every human on the planet, as we all have those tendencies to some degree.

I honestly don't know what her deal is. It could be anything from a reasonably sane person trying to get some publicity to bring to the promotion table, to someone who is genuinely disordered. However, it's impossible to tell what motivated the disorder. Like, it could be simply a personality disorder, or it could be out and out psychosis. No way to tell.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:54 am

Imagine if Trump didn't tweet. The craziness of the past weeks would be out of the way, and we’d see a White House that is briskly pursuing its goals: the shift in our Pakistan policy, the shift in our offshore drilling policy, the fruition of our ISIS policy, the nomination for judgeships and the formation of policies on infrastructure, DACA, North Korea and trade.

It’s almost as if there are two White Houses. There’s the Potemkin White House, which we tend to focus on: Trump berserk in front of the TV, the lawyers working the Russian investigation and the press operation. Then there is the Invisible White House that you never hear about, which is getting more effective at managing around the distracted boss.

I sometimes wonder if the Invisible White House has learned to use the Potemkin White House to deke us while it changes the country.

I mention these inconvenient observations because the anti-Trump movement, of which I’m a proud member, seems to be getting dumber. It seems to be settling into a smug, fairy tale version of reality that filters out discordant information. More anti-Trumpers seem to be telling themselves a “Madness of King George” narrative: Trump is a semiliterate madman surrounded by sycophants who are morally, intellectually and psychologically inferior to people like us.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/opin ... eft-region
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by technovelist » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:13 am

Maddy wrote:She has a very paranoid look about her. Is there a diagnosis in which paranoia coexists with grandiosity, impulsivity, opposition toward authority, and lack of appreciation for the consequences of her behavior?
Yes. It's called "Trump Derangement Syndrome", or TDS for short.

Its main unique feature is that while the sufferer is in a lot of pain, people immune to it enjoy the spectacle.

TDS is so prevalent that it should be in the next DSM... but probably won't be because too many psychiatrists have it.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by technovelist » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:15 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Imagine if Trump didn't tweet. The craziness of the past weeks would be out of the way, and we’d see a White House that is briskly pursuing its goals: the shift in our Pakistan policy, the shift in our offshore drilling policy, the fruition of our ISIS policy, the nomination for judgeships and the formation of policies on infrastructure, DACA, North Korea and trade.

It’s almost as if there are two White Houses. There’s the Potemkin White House, which we tend to focus on: Trump berserk in front of the TV, the lawyers working the Russian investigation and the press operation. Then there is the Invisible White House that you never hear about, which is getting more effective at managing around the distracted boss.

I sometimes wonder if the Invisible White House has learned to use the Potemkin White House to deke us while it changes the country.

I mention these inconvenient observations because the anti-Trump movement, of which I’m a proud member, seems to be getting dumber. It seems to be settling into a smug, fairy tale version of reality that filters out discordant information. More anti-Trumpers seem to be telling themselves a “Madness of King George” narrative: Trump is a semiliterate madman surrounded by sycophants who are morally, intellectually and psychologically inferior to people like us.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/opin ... eft-region
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Hardly.

Although I do have trouble controlling my amusement at the spectacle of the epidemic of TDS.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Tyler » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:30 am

Maddy wrote: I think this woman has pretty much cooked her goose. Any psychiatrist that would presume to make a diagnosis from sound bites on the TV (or to cavalierly toss around the loaded word "dangerous") does not have a particularly bright future.
On the plus side, she can't have her medical license taken away... because it apparently lapsed in 2015.

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Mountaineer » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:45 pm

Tyler wrote:
Maddy wrote: I think this woman has pretty much cooked her goose. Any psychiatrist that would presume to make a diagnosis from sound bites on the TV (or to cavalierly toss around the loaded word "dangerous") does not have a particularly bright future.
On the plus side, she can't have her medical license taken away... because it apparently lapsed in 2015.

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by stuper1 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:59 pm

I saw this comment posted on unz.com today and agree with it 100%:

"The most important thing Trump may have accomplished is unmasking the media hypocrisy and its sheer contempt towards 80% of the country.

I used to believe that the journalists were reasonable people who tried to report fairly but were moderately biased in favor of liberal opinion. But after Trump got elected (or even during the campaign), the media truly showed its true face. They have tried to destroy him at every turn, misrepresent his every word and action, blame him for everything bad that happens (like the shutdown), and to be quite honest have tried to start an insurrection against him. They are not moderately biased, they are basically a propaganda arm telling lies 24×7 about hate crimes and racism.

Before Trump was elected I had some but not absolute faith in media. Now I believe them to be basically a propaganda arm of the elites. I don’t think my faith will ever recover and I am certain there are many more like me."
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:19 pm

stuper1 wrote:I saw this comment posted on unz.com today and agree with it 100%:

"The most important thing Trump may have accomplished is unmasking the media hypocrisy and its sheer contempt towards 80% of the country.

I used to believe that the journalists were reasonable people who tried to report fairly but were moderately biased in favor of liberal opinion. But after Trump got elected (or even during the campaign), the media truly showed its true face. They have tried to destroy him at every turn, misrepresent his every word and action, blame him for everything bad that happens (like the shutdown), and to be quite honest have tried to start an insurrection against him. They are not moderately biased, they are basically a propaganda arm telling lies 24×7 about hate crimes and racism.

Before Trump was elected I had some but not absolute faith in media. Now I believe them to be basically a propaganda arm of the elites. I don’t think my faith will ever recover and I am certain there are many more like me."
The media is not materially more embarrassing under Trump than they have been... unless you're particularly offended by bumblingly sliming a bumbling slime-ball.

If someone's first realization that the media is a tool of the elite is seeing how they react to Donald Trump, and before that just believed they were "mostly fair with a modest liberal bias," then they have a lot of reading to do. Or just pull up a dozen Noam Chomsky videos on YouTube if you can't handle the reading.

The "deep-state" has been over-seeing the slaughter of millions of human beings for decades under both parties, yet somehow it took conservatives until 2017 to even know the term. To be fair, most liberals never really knew who they were. So at least conservatives brought the term into the lime-light. Now to get them to admit that every President since Truman (including Mango Mussolini) are war criminals, that the FBI has ALWAYS been a corrupt institution, and that Fox News is just as embarrassing as MSNBC, then we can actually start talking. Until then, nice try... Yes CNN is "fake news." So is Fox News and the New York Post.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by stuper1 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:38 pm

Moda,

I agree with everything you just posted. I guess I'm just slow. For me, it took this whole Trump thing for the scales to drop off my eyes. So even though he's an odious slimeball, I'm thankful for that. Also, I agree with some of his policies regardless of his personal likeability or lack thereof, most notably the amazing idea that the American president should actually put America first over other countries (e.g., by protecting our borders and economy). Whether he actually believes that himself, of course, is doubtful. Even slow people like me realize by now that all politicians are liars.
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