Trump as tragicomedy

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Postby Cortopassi » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:57 pm

You gotta wonder one of these days his twitter posts will have to tick the top of the market.

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Postby Shawn Hoover » Fri Jan 05, 2018 4:35 pm

The irony is global ex-US markets are outperforming over the referenced time frame.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Postby ochotona » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:47 pm

Shawn Hoover wrote:The irony is global ex-US markets are outperforming over the referenced time frame.


By a large margin... over the last year, by about 4.5% !
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Postby sophie » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:41 am

I try to ignore Trump's tweets. It's like those TV shows where a character does something so painfully embarrassing you can hardly bear to watch.

Did any of you see the articles about a Yale psychiatrist trying to push the idea of of a diagnosable mental illness?

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-unravelin ... tal-770250

Given that some psychiatric diagnoses (the new version of bipolar disorder, ADHD, any Axis II disorder) can be applied to any human on the planet, and that probably most lawmakers could easily qualify for some Axis II disorders like narcissism, this is a pretty dangerous path to go down. Fortunately, some prominent psychiatrists have come out against this action as unprofessional and frankly a violation of medical ethics. Maybe, but mainly it looks to me like she's over-interpreting in a big way.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Postby stuper1 » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:51 am

I heard the psychiatrist's diagnosis reported on a mainstream radio station. Talk about fake news. It's ridiculous that such a thing would even get reported by a supposedly reputable news source. I can't remember which station it was. Could have been CBS or NPR. Sometimes I tune in NPR to see if they have any interesting cultural stuff, but I regret it as soon as they report on anything political.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Postby l82start » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:15 am

stuper1 wrote:I heard the psychiatrist's diagnosis reported on a mainstream radio station. Talk about fake news. It's ridiculous that such a thing would even get reported by a supposedly reputable news source. I can't remember which station it was. Could have been CBS or NPR. Sometimes I tune in NPR to see if they have any interesting cultural stuff, but I regret it as soon as they report on anything political.

i guess the American Psychological Association doesn't care about the "Goldwater" rule any more..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwater_rule

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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Postby Kriegsspiel » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:25 am

Everything's fair when combatting Literal Hitler*.

* I always hear the Lil Hitler soundbyte when I see 'Literal Hitler,' because I'm a freak.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Postby Maddy » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:32 pm

Now that we're out of the Middle Ages and are rapidly discovering the neurophysiological basis for "mental illnesses," I wonder why the subject matter of psychiatry hasn't been subsumed within the field of clinical neurology. Why do we, as a society, affirm the legitimacy of a profession that routinely saddles people with subjective, life-altering labels that come and go depending upon the mood of the APA membership and that have have no basis whatsoever in science? Sophie?

Some guesses, off the top of my head:

(1) Medicine abhors uncertainty, and the biological basis for much of what we regard as "mental illness" is still largely unknown.

(2) The people who present with "mental illness" are unpleasant to deal with.

(3) The cost of treating people with "mental illness" according to customary medical standards would be staggering, and the affected population lacks sufficient political clout to challenge the standard of care.

(4) There will always be too much inherent overlap between the neurological and volitional causes of "mental illness" to effectively sort it all out.

(5) There are political reasons for cordoning off a particularly repugnant segment of the underclass onto which a multitude of social evils can be blamed and a multitude of character defects can be projected.

(6) A deep-seated human need for both vengeance and cognitive consonance is satisfied when you can label somebody's predicament in life as their own damned fault.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Postby sophie » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:25 am

Good question, Maddie.

There is a lot of overlap between neurology and psychiatry, and in fact the board exams for each are from the same organization and include questions from both specialties. But they will remain separate for a few very simple reasons: there is a separate residency program for each fixed in stone by Medicaid, and insurance treats the two specialties differently as you noted. The turf wars can be kind of fun - mostly it's about psychiatrists not wanting to deal with a purely neurological problem.

I'm thinking Donald Trump could have a field day suing the Yale psychiatrist for libel, as Goldwater did successfully. Even if she's right I can't understand how this isn't an ethical breach. I think she's trying to sidestep by calling it a "dangerous mental illness" instead of specifying a precise diagnosis.
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Postby moda0306 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:31 am

sophie wrote:Good question, Maddie.

There is a lot of overlap between neurology and psychiatry, and in fact the board exams for each are from the same organization and include questions from both specialties. But they will remain separate for a few very simple reasons: there is a separate residency program for each fixed in stone by Medicaid, and insurance treats the two specialties differently as you noted. The turf wars can be kind of fun - mostly it's about psychiatrists not wanting to deal with a purely neurological problem.

I'm thinking Donald Trump could have a field day suing the Yale psychiatrist for libel, as Goldwater did successfully. Even if she's right I can't understand how this isn't an ethical breach. I think she's trying to sidestep by calling it a "dangerous mental illness" instead of specifying a precise diagnosis.


Can public figures sue for libel/slander? I thought that was pretty much nixed.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Postby Maddy » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:13 pm

moda0306 wrote:Can public figures sue for libel/slander? I thought that was pretty much nixed.

Yes, but the standard of proof is higher. For a public figure, most states require a showing of actual malice, which is defined as either actual knowledge of the falsity of the statement or a reckless disregard for the truth. In addition, all of the elements of the tort have to be proven by clear and convincing evidence, which is a substantial notch higher than the usual "preponderance of the evidence" standard.

I think this woman has pretty much cooked her goose. Any psychiatrist that would presume to make a diagnosis from sound bites on the TV (or to cavalierly toss around the loaded word "dangerous") does not have a particularly bright future.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Postby Maddy » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:39 pm

She has a very paranoid look about her. Is there a diagnosis in which paranoia coexists with grandiosity, impulsivity, opposition toward authority, and lack of appreciation for the consequences of her behavior?

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