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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by clacy » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:22 pm

ochotona wrote:
clacy wrote:Trump freed North Korea and defeated Isis in his first 18 month. I’m excited to see what the next two years bring.
Hopefully better spelling.
Is this what the anti-Trump argument has come to?
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Post by ochotona » Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:00 pm

clacy wrote:
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clacy wrote:Trump freed North Korea and defeated Isis in his first 18 month. I’m excited to see what the next two years bring.
Hopefully better spelling.
Is this what the anti-Trump argument has come to?
In a way, this is what the anti-Trump argument has been about all along. As you know, the election represented a clash between, on the one hand, those Whites and Asians who have tended to go to college (allied with Blacks, Native Americans, and most Hispanics, many of whom did not go to college), and on the other hand a cohort of less well educated Whites.

Those of us who consider ourselves better educated are appalled at how knowledge and learning have been thrown under the bus by this Administration across a broad range of fields, and since this is an investment board, I'll stick to finance topics. This Administration has been willfully ignorant or is just plain ignorant about the National Debt, and what the new Tax Law will do to our future, and most members of the so-called Party of Fiscal Responsibility have ripped off their clothes and have gleefully lept into the oily orgy with His Orangeness.

So yes, I do hope for a government which is not so ignorant, supported by an electorate which cares more about knowledge, learning and even spelling. Sorry if your typo was innocent. I've actually seen a lot of atrocious spelling emerging from Trump supporters on Twitter, and your error just set me off. There seem to be problems using the apostrophe. I see a lot of confusions between yours and your's, and your and you're.

By the way, before the 2016 election cycle, I was a consistently Republican voter, but I did not vote for Trump.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by ochotona » Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:13 pm

Trump has not freed N. Korea. The facts on the ground have not changed there yet. Many thousands of people from different nations have been fighting ISIS for years, why does Trump get all the credit? To my point, these are poorly supported slogans which get uttered by people who ignore facts. Poor spelling pours gasoline on that fire of ignorance.
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Post by boglerdude » Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:10 am

Agreed w/ochotona but Trump pushing back against China may cause them to ask their attack dog, N Korea, to stop barking

Maybe the elites/MSM knew the NK threat was never serious, but to hoi polloi like myself ICBMs are unnerving
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by clacy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:03 am

ochotona wrote:
clacy wrote:
ochotona wrote:
Hopefully better spelling.
Is this what the anti-Trump argument has come to?
In a way, this is what the anti-Trump argument has been about all along. As you know, the election represented a clash between, on the one hand, those Whites and Asians who have tended to go to college (allied with Blacks, Native Americans, and most Hispanics, many of whom did not go to college), and on the other hand a cohort of less well educated Whites.

Those of us who consider ourselves better educated are appalled at how knowledge and learning have been thrown under the bus by this Administration across a broad range of fields, and since this is an investment board, I'll stick to finance topics. This Administration has been willfully ignorant or is just plain ignorant about the National Debt, and what the new Tax Law will do to our future, and most members of the so-called Party of Fiscal Responsibility have ripped off their clothes and have gleefully lept into the oily orgy with His Orangeness.

So yes, I do hope for a government which is not so ignorant, supported by an electorate which cares more about knowledge, learning and even spelling. Sorry if your typo was innocent. I've actually seen a lot of atrocious spelling emerging from Trump supporters on Twitter, and your error just set me off. There seem to be problems using the apostrophe. I see a lot of confusions between yours and your's, and your and you're.

By the way, before the 2016 election cycle, I was a consistently Republican voter, but I did not vote for Trump.


So it sounds like you were, at best, a Neo-Con.

As a business owner with over 500 employees, I can say that spelling is one of the lowest priorities of my customers and employees.

If it’s your big thing, that’s ok, but I would say you’re in for a long, losing battle with the trends in social media.

And I certainly do not see much fiscal responsibility out of the Neo-Cons like Bush, etc so I’m not sure that’s the greatest argument for a never Trump Republican.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by ochotona » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:53 am

Neo-con? Me? Omg no. Much more of a Ron Paul guy.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Don » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:23 pm

Just seeing President Trump accomplish so much while the whole Deep State tries to bring him down and watching the snowflakes melt is making me smile. ;D
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Post by clacy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:56 pm

ochotona wrote:Neo-con? Me? Omg no. Much more of a Ron Paul guy.

If it was Ron Paul vs Hillary (or fill in the blank Democratic Socialist), I would vote for him in a second. At the moment, the Libertarian movement is on life support and not politically viable.

I'm about 90% convinced that in the last election, Gary "Aleppo" Johnson was a Dem funded plant to syphon off votes from Trump.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by dualstow » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:26 pm

clacy wrote: Gary "Aleppo" Johnson O0
Everybody's a conspiracy theorist. If anything, he damaged Hilary's total.
I like the nickname, though.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by clacy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:53 pm

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clacy wrote: Gary "Aleppo" Johnson O0
Everybody's a conspiracy theorist. If anything, he damaged Hilary's total.
I like the nickname, though.

Regardless, he ended up a non factor, because let’s face it, he is a clown.
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Post by dualstow » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:55 pm

He really is. And I don't understand how they couldn't have come up with a better independent candidate, someone we could take seriously.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:06 pm

clacy wrote:
dualstow wrote:
clacy wrote: Gary "Aleppo" Johnson O0
Everybody's a conspiracy theorist. If anything, he damaged Hilary's total.
I like the nickname, though.

Regardless, he ended up a non factor, because let’s face it, he is a clown.
Gary Johnson is a weak candidate, but a clown? Nah.

Trump on the other hand... there you have a clown.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by Xan » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:57 pm

Gary has some "interesting" libertarian positions. Like that the baker should be forced to bake the homosexual cake. Audible gasps from the audience during the LP debate when he dropped that bombshell. Don't know how he still got the nomination. Says something about how crazy the other candidates were, I suppose. John McAfee was one.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by clacy » Tue May 01, 2018 7:43 am

Desert wrote:Good point ... the list of candidates was spectacularly horrible. I knew when I found myself rooting for Ted Cruz, something was terribly wrong. What a shit show. We had a Bush, a Clinton, a Trump and a McAfee, all in one rotten campaign cycle. I hope to never hear any of those names again, in the next round. Maybe we can have a Sasse, a Booker, and some other new blood in the next election. Time to drain the swamp of the crazy oldsters.

Sasse and Booker are swamp creatures of the first order.

Cotton and Tulsi Gabbard would be much better IMO.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Tue May 01, 2018 9:28 am

Xan wrote:Gary has some "interesting" libertarian positions. Like that the baker should be forced to bake the homosexual cake. Audible gasps from the audience during the LP debate when he dropped that bombshell. Don't know how he still got the nomination. Says something about how crazy the other candidates were, I suppose. John McAfee was one.
Hardly a bombshell... every "libertarian" has edges to their beliefs/principles. They just like to use fancy language to explain those away or are just simply honest and say "liberty isn't the most important thing all of the time," or something like that.

The idea that I should be forced at gunpoint to recognize AND pay for a defense mechanism for other people's vision of what is a legitimate property claim could be called equally "interesting," if not far-more so, but you hear all-but the most anarchist-leaning libertarians advocating for just that.

Yes, Gary Johnson tends to be more left-leaning in his libertarianism. There are some inherantly hairy contradictions that reveal themselves when you stake out those positions, but those exist almost everywhere on the political spectrum.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by moda0306 » Tue May 01, 2018 9:41 am

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Desert wrote:Good point ... the list of candidates was spectacularly horrible. I knew when I found myself rooting for Ted Cruz, something was terribly wrong. What a shit show. We had a Bush, a Clinton, a Trump and a McAfee, all in one rotten campaign cycle. I hope to never hear any of those names again, in the next round. Maybe we can have a Sasse, a Booker, and some other new blood in the next election. Time to drain the swamp of the crazy oldsters.

Sasse and Booker are swamp creatures of the first order.

Cotton and Tulsi Gabbard would be much better IMO.
I love Gabbard but Cotton? Look at this pile of slime...

http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Tom_Cotton.htm

Hard on Drugs
Anti-environmentalist
Iraq & Afghanistan were just & necessary
Huge proponent of the perma-war surveillance state

I'm not saying anyone has to share my priorities on these issues, but from what I can tell, he is just a standard modern right-wing conservative on all issues. No nuance. Just a puke Arkansas conservative war-monger. If that's your thing, that is fine, but then Cotton should NOT be on a list with Gabbard. Is he a "maverick" on anything?

Tulsi on the other hand is awesome on civil liberties and perma-war issues, which IMO, similar to Rand Paul, earns her a ton of street cred as she battles her own party.
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Post by MWKXJ » Tue May 01, 2018 11:36 pm

Desert wrote:Good point ... the list of candidates was spectacularly horrible. I knew when I found myself rooting for Ted Cruz, something was terribly wrong. What a shit show. We had a Bush, a Clinton, a Trump and a McAfee, all in one rotten campaign cycle. I hope to never hear any of those names again, in the next round. Maybe we can have a Sasse, a Booker, and some other new blood in the next election. Time to drain the swamp of the crazy oldsters.
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Post by Libertarian666 » Wed May 02, 2018 10:07 am

dualstow wrote:He really is. And I don't understand how they couldn't have come up with a better independent candidate, someone we could take seriously.
It is very difficult to find a good candidate for a position where the candidate knows in advance that:
1. He will not win, and
2. He will be subjected to scorn and other very unpleasant public treatment.

This is even aside from the effort and expense of being a candidate.

Would you want to do it? I wouldn't.

Thus, what you get is mostly weirdos with a very few patriots (like Ron Paul) mixed in.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by clacy » Wed May 02, 2018 4:46 pm

Chalk another one up for Trump.....

http://www.businessinsider.com/north-ko ... ers-2018-5
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Post by stuper1 » Wed May 02, 2018 8:20 pm

And yet the talk of impeachment continues unabated. The nation's so-called elite just can't get over the fact that somebody like Trump won the election. Frankly, I can't believe it either. It seems utterly surreal. And I'm one to believe he's not a monster, just another run-of-the-mill egomaniac, as I'm convinced anyone who would want to be president must be.

I was looking at an acquaintance's Facebook feed the other day. He's a very successful local businessman and apparently not a Trump hater. He has a big family and is not at all deranged. Back around the election time in 2016, he posted something which I found very interesting and read along these lines:

"To all the people out there who supported Obama and hate Trump, I have one question: what it is in Obama's life experience compared to Trump's life experience that makes you think that Obama was so much better qualified to be president than Trump?"
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Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu May 03, 2018 7:54 am

Desert, how are you getting sadistic? Or rather, how are you considering him more sadistic than Obama?
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Post by moda0306 » Thu May 03, 2018 8:52 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:Desert, how are you getting sadistic? Or rather, how are you considering him more sadistic than Obama?
Ok so putting aside any "policy preferences" and just sticking to style, and understanding we aren't privy to either Trump nor Obama's private interactions behind closed doors, so all we have to go on is how they carry themselves to the public, is it even slightly debatable that Trump is more sadistic than Obama?

Definition of sadistic: "deriving pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering, or humiliation on others."

Now you could say that it's all an act and he's likely a statesmen (hence the Korea deal being struck), or that it's all part of a grander strategy, or that it doesn't matter because he has every right to be, and those might be true, but to argue that Trump behaves in a less sadistic manner than Obama is ludicrous to me. Maybe I'm missing something.

Personally, policy-wise, I think Obama was a modestly-left-of-center establishment Democrat, neo-liberal war-criminal. Nothing more, nothing less... Definitely not the boogeyman Faux News & the alt-right tried to make him out to be, but probably should be prosecuted for his crimes (as should Trump). But as a "dude," completely irrespective of policy positions, I like the guy. Trump, on the other hand, seems like the most insufferable personality to try to spend time with. I couldn't imagine having dinner with the guy trying to make conversation. He is an amalgamation of almost every slimy human trait that one might try to avoid.

If we bring policy preferences into it, I think you get the same effect, but Trump is pretty incoherent on all but a couple public policy topics.
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Post by stuper1 » Thu May 03, 2018 9:06 am

So, that's it, be a nice guy, a community organizer, and a law professor, oh, and don't be "sadistic", and boom, you're ready to be president of the U.S. Got it.

Seriously, I don't get the sadistic stuff. Looking at the world situation currently versus the previous 16 years under Obama and Bush, I don't see where the U.S. is causing more mayhem now than they were then, probably less.

If you're thinking of Trump's goal of strengthening our border, give me a break. That's a serious policy position. It has nothing to do with the color of people on the other side of the border. All it has to do with is that a sovereign nation should be able to decide how many and which immigrants to allow in, rather than letting them self select. In fact, we have laws on the books, but they just aren't being enforced. So much for being a nation of laws.
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Post by Mountaineer » Thu May 03, 2018 9:11 am

stuper1 wrote:So, that's it, be a nice guy, a community organizer, and a law professor, oh, and don't be "sadistic", and boom, you're ready to be president of the U.S. Got it.

Seriously, I don't get the sadistic stuff. Looking at the world situation currently versus the previous 16 years under Obama and Bush, I don't see where the U.S. is causing more mayhem now than they were then, probably less.

If you're thinking of Trump's goal of strengthening our border, give me a break. That's a serious policy position. It has nothing to do with the color of people on the other side of the border. All it has to do with is that a sovereign nation should be able to decide how many and which immigrants to allow in, rather than letting them self select. In fact, we have laws on the books, but they just aren't being enforced. So much for being a nation of laws.
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Re: Trump as tragicomedy

Post by clacy » Thu May 03, 2018 9:22 am

Desert wrote:
stuper1 wrote:And yet the talk of impeachment continues unabated. The nation's so-called elite just can't get over the fact that somebody like Trump won the election. Frankly, I can't believe it either. It seems utterly surreal. And I'm one to believe he's not a monster, just another run-of-the-mill egomaniac, as I'm convinced anyone who would want to be president must be.

I was looking at an acquaintance's Facebook feed the other day. He's a very successful local businessman and apparently not a Trump hater. He has a big family and is not at all deranged. Back around the election time in 2016, he posted something which I found very interesting and read along these lines:

"To all the people out there who supported Obama and hate Trump, I have one question: what it is in Obama's life experience compared to Trump's life experience that makes you think that Obama was so much better qualified to be president than Trump?"
Wow. Well, Obama was a decent human being, not a ridiculous sadistic clown like Trump. I think the contrast is too obvious to even require comment. What has Trump shown us, other than a deranged, sadistic, uninformed showman? I can understand not agreeing with Obama's efforts to help the downtrodden. Conservatives are generally opposed to Christian values. But Trump takes the opposition to a whole new, ridiculous level.

Obama:

-death by drone program
-Paying Iran $2b to keep making nukes
-Abortion supporter (that's pretty sadistic, we can probably all agree)
-Allowed Isis to grow and thrive (probably created Isis with the help of the Neo-cons but that's conspiratorial).... don't hear much about them anymore. Took Trump about 6 weeks to squash that.
-Supported the Muslim Brotherhood in the Arab Spring

Trump:

-Tweeted mean stuff to Rosie O'Donnell and Bob Mueller
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