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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun May 20, 2018 3:37 pm

eufo wrote:
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The easiest way to get your body ready to consume its own fat stores is to start off lowering your carbohydrate intake. Proteins are good, but eating fat is even better. Get your body used to consuming fat and eventually it will be fully ready to convert fat stores instead of demanding you go eat something.
False (good advice, but what you wrote is not true). Eating fats in place of carhohydrates does mean that your body is using fat as the main energy source, but you are only going to be losing BODY FAT if you eat less than your maintenance calorie level. And if you were doing that while eating carbs, you'd be losing body fat at that point as well, assuming equal protein and EFAs.
What I said isn't false, but maybe not complete. I'm not advocating a high calorie diet, just one that is made up of fats and some protein.

I also nibble on macadamias sometimes and for lunch I try to get green veggies.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by mrbk2fi » Tue May 22, 2018 1:19 pm

I have been following NSNG f(No Sugar, No Grain) for almost a year. I have found it to be very filling, I'm almost never hungry, and I stay thin.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Cortopassi » Sat May 26, 2018 10:11 am

Update:

I've been doing IF for 7 days now, other than 2 coffees with some heavy cream in the morning, I've been eating within a 2-3 hour window, so effectively a 20+ hour fast.

--I went from 200 to current 193.8
--I understand again what hunger is. Around 2-3PM in the afternoons, my stomach is not happy and I start thinking about dinner
--Food at dinner has been much more tasty. Found myself saying "damn this is good" quite a lot
--Occasional lightheadedness and racing pulse

Overall, for me, it is a bit too long. The results are good, and quick, but I think if I took a portion of the calories I eat at dinner and put them toward lunch, I'd feel better overall.

There is little doubt that this way, where I am eating less calories (and lo-carb), vs. prior attempts, where I have simply been assuming lo-carb will get the weight off naturally, but not cutting calories, are different. In my normal lo-carb runs, I would just cut out nearly 100% of carbs, but always replacing with a spoon of peanut butter here, one there, another over here...so I wasn't consuming as many carbs, but overall probably consuming more calories.

With this long IF, hard to get enough calories in during the timeframe and the weight is coming off a lot faster.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by moda0306 » Sun May 27, 2018 7:34 am

Cortopassi wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 10:11 am
Update:

I've been doing IF for 7 days now, other than 2 coffees with some heavy cream in the morning, I've been eating within a 2-3 hour window, so effectively a 20+ hour fast.

--I went from 200 to current 193.8
--I understand again what hunger is. Around 2-3PM in the afternoons, my stomach is not happy and I start thinking about dinner
--Food at dinner has been much more tasty. Found myself saying "damn this is good" quite a lot
--Occasional lightheadedness and racing pulse

Overall, for me, it is a bit too long. The results are good, and quick, but I think if I took a portion of the calories I eat at dinner and put them toward lunch, I'd feel better overall.

There is little doubt that this way, where I am eating less calories (and lo-carb), vs. prior attempts, where I have simply been assuming lo-carb will get the weight off naturally, but not cutting calories, are different. In my normal lo-carb runs, I would just cut out nearly 100% of carbs, but always replacing with a spoon of peanut butter here, one there, another over here...so I wasn't consuming as many carbs, but overall probably consuming more calories.

With this long IF, hard to get enough calories in during the timeframe and the weight is coming off a lot faster.
I friggin love it. I lost 30+ lbs using that and a few other inputs.

The best is when you get to a point where you are sharper and more energetic. Luckily, I fell into this very quickly. Once I started pushing through that "hungry zone" and piercing through the other side I thought I'd discovered a new universe.

I've gotten to the point where I can do steady state low intensity cardio (heart rate 130-ish or lower) fasted and still feel great. Only when I have to do something vigorous do I need to make sure I've got sugar in me.

Our bodies are built for this. It's a shame we coddle ourselves so much and think that a missed meal is so unhealthy or that breakfast is vital.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by WiseOne » Sun May 27, 2018 8:45 am

Just FYI....studies on IF show benefits for men, but not for women.

It kind of makes sense that men and women have different metabolisms, based on our evolution as hunter-gatherers. Men were the ones going on long hunts, where they might not eat for long periods, while women did the gathering which meant small amounts of food being available more frequently. I wonder if the feminine version of IF is to do exactly the opposite: eat frequently but in small amounts.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by moda0306 » Sun May 27, 2018 9:02 am

WiseOne wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 8:45 am
Just FYI....studies on IF show benefits for men, but not for women.

It kind of makes sense that men and women have different metabolisms, based on our evolution as hunter-gatherers. Men were the ones going on long hunts, where they might not eat for long periods, while women did the gathering which meant small amounts of food being available more frequently. I wonder if the feminine version of IF is to do exactly the opposite: eat frequently but in small amounts.
I've heard of many instances of women having success with intermittent fasting. I think they just need to be more careful with it due to some of their hormonal sensitivities to a change in metabolic systems at work.

That probably sounded like mansplaining didn't it. ???
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun May 27, 2018 2:00 pm

WiseOne wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 8:45 am
Just FYI....studies on IF show benefits for men, but not for women.

It kind of makes sense that men and women have different metabolisms, based on our evolution as hunter-gatherers. Men were the ones going on long hunts, where they might not eat for long periods, while women did the gathering which meant small amounts of food being available more frequently. I wonder if the feminine version of IF is to do exactly the opposite: eat frequently but in small amounts.
I remember Martin Berkhan saying his female clients were more successful with a 14 hour fasting window, vs an 18 hour one for males.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Libertarian666 » Thu May 31, 2018 12:32 pm

I lost about 4 pounds in the last two weeks without even trying to diet.

My secret? We were on a long road trip and often didn't have a regular meal other than breakfast.

I'm not sure how generalizable it is, but there's an anecdotal point for you.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Cortopassi » Thu May 31, 2018 3:58 pm

I always lose weight on vacations. Eating isn't a priority, except for a nice dinner, and otherwise walking everywhere.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Mark Leavy » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:00 pm

WiseOne wrote:
Sun May 27, 2018 8:45 am
Just FYI....studies on IF show benefits for men, but not for women.

It kind of makes sense that men and women have different metabolisms, based on our evolution as hunter-gatherers. Men were the ones going on long hunts, where they might not eat for long periods, while women did the gathering which meant small amounts of food being available more frequently. I wonder if the feminine version of IF is to do exactly the opposite: eat frequently but in small amounts.
I totally wish that there were more studies on this. Anecdotally - I have observed the same. Big difference between male and female fasting. My own opinion / experience is that fasting is a great method for manipulating my (male) hormones - IGF1, HGF and on and on and on... and that hormones are powerful things. And, orthogonally - that the stimulus, response, adaptation is much different for men versus women. But I don't have absolute experience in the difference.

For me, I have found that alternate day eating is *much* easier than one meal a day. Either I am going to eat today or not. No big deal. And after about 30 hours of not eating, lots of good things happen to my hormones. Good, measurable effects on weight / strength training, leanness and other important old guy metrics. But to WiseOne's point (and to everything I have seen in real life) this doesn't apply one to one for women. I think that there must still be some positive point on the curve between eating and not eating - but no good science to say where. So... Let's see some more data, anecdotes or even, (god forbid) science.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Kbg » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:51 pm

For IF i think the best fast is the one you like best and can do. Supposedly one needs 16-18 hours for positive effects. My personal opinion on all this diet stuff is the basic physics of a calorie/energy. To lose weight there needs to be an energy deficit, one should pursue the method most effective for them to achieve an energy deficit that they can stick to over a long period of time...most of my reading as of late seems to indicate that science is finally coming around to the conclusion that achieving the correct physics is the key to weight loss and there are many paths available for that. (As opposed to science on good nutrition which seems to be a never ending churn of conflicting information.)

For me personally...if it wasn't for the social/family aspect of food, breakfast and lunch followed by nothing with calories until the next morning works very well...especially when combined with late in the day/evening exercise.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by boglerdude » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:39 am

Calories eaten - calories burned - calories excreted

Untreated diabetics pee sugar. Insulin causes cells to absorb sugar from the blood. You can lower insulin levels by minimizing sugar and carbs (which break down to sugar)

I eat once a day before bed, basically just a bowl of beans with dark vegetables, and hot sauce or salad dressing
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:53 am

boglerdude wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:39 am
Calories eaten - calories burned - calories excreted

Untreated diabetics pee sugar. Insulin causes cells to absorb sugar from the blood. You can lower insulin levels by minimizing sugar and carbs (which break down to sugar)

I eat once a day before bed, basically just a bowl of beans with dark vegetables, and hot sauce or salad dressing
Remind me not to go out to eat with you. :P
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

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Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:53 am
boglerdude wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:39 am
Calories eaten - calories burned - calories excreted

Untreated diabetics pee sugar. Insulin causes cells to absorb sugar from the blood. You can lower insulin levels by minimizing sugar and carbs (which break down to sugar)

I eat once a day before bed, basically just a bowl of beans with dark vegetables, and hot sauce or salad dressing
Remind me not to go out to eat with you. :P
Should be fine as long as you don't end up in bed together.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Mountaineer » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:12 am

dualstow wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:33 am
Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:53 am
boglerdude wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:39 am
Calories eaten - calories burned - calories excreted

Untreated diabetics pee sugar. Insulin causes cells to absorb sugar from the blood. You can lower insulin levels by minimizing sugar and carbs (which break down to sugar)

I eat once a day before bed, basically just a bowl of beans with dark vegetables, and hot sauce or salad dressing
Remind me not to go out to eat with you. :P
Should be fine as long as you don't end up in bed together.
Or light a match. ;)
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Post by boglerdude » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:56 pm

Have you tried kidney or garbanzo beans (hummus). No sacrifice of flavor and no gas. Just takes time to re-wire the brain away from unhealthy foods you're raised on.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Maddy » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:39 pm

With all this talk about how great and painless fasting is, I just had to point out today's top story on Brietbart, the headline of which reads, "'Westworld' star Evan Rachel Woods endures 24-hour hunger strike to protest border enforcement."
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Don » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:17 pm

Marlb10 wrote:
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I am 27 and I am gaining weight like anything. Help? Lets make it an official motivating thread too.

Best of luck!
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Mark Leavy » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:22 pm

Maddy wrote:
Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:39 pm
With all this talk about how great and painless fasting is, I just had to point out today's top story on Brietbart, the headline of which reads, "'Westworld' star Evan Rachel Woods endures 24-hour hunger strike to protest border enforcement."
Good for Evan Rachel. She'll lose 12 ounces, her blood sugar will drop a bit and she will wake up prepared to write her battle memoirs. Then, hopefully she will eat a steak.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by Kbg » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:46 pm

For those doing IF...here's a practical problem I would like some thoughts on.

Normally I prefer skipping dinner and doing breakfast and lunch...but socially this is very hard to do on weekends. Any thoughts on transition strategies going into Friday and going back on my preferred schedule Monday morning?
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by moda0306 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:47 pm

Kbg wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:46 pm
For those doing IF...here's a practical problem I would like some thoughts on.

Normally I prefer skipping dinner and doing breakfast and lunch...but socially this is very hard to do on weekends. Any thoughts on transition strategies going into Friday and going back on my preferred schedule Monday morning?
I wish I had something good for you, but every time I have breakfast on the weekends I end up at a huge surplus. Every. Time.
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Re: Help get me reduce some weight

Post by stuper1 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:56 pm

Kbg wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:46 pm
For those doing IF...here's a practical problem I would like some thoughts on.

Normally I prefer skipping dinner and doing breakfast and lunch...but socially this is very hard to do on weekends. Any thoughts on transition strategies going into Friday and going back on my preferred schedule Monday morning?
Couldn't you just skip breakfast on Saturday and Sunday, or move it back to around noon if you prefer breakfast foods? And then maybe move your breakfast and lunch on Monday back say a couple hours if you want?
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