Will United Airlines offer incentives to book with them?

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Re: Will United Airlines offer incentives to book with them?

Post by farjean2 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:18 pm

bedraggled wrote:Farjean2,
First class passengers seem to enjoy the ride more, too.
No doubt about that. Every time I take a long international flight I look at the people up in first/business class with envy and I'm just talking about being able to lie down and go to sleep. Don't really care that much about the rest of it.

Checking on the Australia trip, the price was $32k for first class as opposed to about $3.2k for economy for the two of us. Sorry, it's not worth that much to avoid 18 hours of misery.
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Post by Mountaineer » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:31 pm

TennPaGa wrote:
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TennPaGa wrote: What basis do you have for making this assertion? The was video shot by passengers. Who altered the video then? Who else was in on the ruse? Why have no passengers stepped forward to say that it was not the same man?
Do you have any understanding of what ;) means? You know, the emoji you left out of your quote of my post. I think you do since you not too long ago told me perhaps everything was a joke to me. Hope you are not losing it, or buried in your preconceived notions, or trapped in vincible ignorance. How's this? 8) Are we good? or not? :o I choose to be 8) .
Yeah, I saw the wink, but, to be honest, I wasn't exactly sure what the humor angle was in your post. Plus, my experience is that you will often include winks/emoji when trying to soften a serious point.
So, are we good? (no emoji)
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Re: Will United Airlines offer incentives to book with them?

Post by Xan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:41 pm

Jack Jones wrote:I feel like this article covered the issues very well:

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/04/ ... -fail.html

tldr: United didn't have the right to eject the passenger.
That is a fantastic article, Jack. And it's not even really an opinion piece; it's one of the few bits of actual investigative reporting about this incident that I've seen.
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Re: Will United Airlines offer incentives to book with them?

Post by tennpaga » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:03 pm

Mountaineer wrote:
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Mountaineer wrote:Do you have any understanding of what ;) means? You know, the emoji you left out of your quote of my post. I think you do since you not too long ago told me perhaps everything was a joke to me. Hope you are not losing it, or buried in your preconceived notions, or trapped in vincible ignorance. How's this? 8) Are we good? or not? :o I choose to be 8) .
Yeah, I saw the wink, but, to be honest, I wasn't exactly sure what the humor angle was in your post. Plus, my experience is that you will often include winks/emoji when trying to soften a serious point.
So, are we good? (no emoji)
Of course.

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Post by sophie » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:08 pm

Really enjoyable read, Jack. It just highlights how lazy and superficial the press has become - not too unlike the United Airlines and Chicago airport security employees that had a hand in creating this incident.

I think the key observation in the article was this one:
Post-merger United is too big to fail, too big to manage and far too Balkanized to govern. I fully expect the ugliness to continue at United.
United can mistreat & squeeze passengers while reaping record profits because there's nothing to stop them. They're a monopoly, especially at their Chicago hub. Capitalism relies on competition to keep the wheels greased. No doubt this incident will result in a new set of regulations that won't fix the problem, but what's really needed is some good old fashioned, Warren Harding-style trust-busting.

Oddly enough, there's a lot more airline competition in Europe. There are a few People's Express type of puddle-jumper airlines there, like Ryanair, that I really wish we could have here in the US.
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Post by Mountaineer » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:47 pm

8)
TennPaGa wrote:
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TennPaGa wrote:Yeah, I saw the wink, but, to be honest, I wasn't exactly sure what the humor angle was in your post. Plus, my experience is that you will often include winks/emoji when trying to soften a serious point.
So, are we good? (no emoji)
Of course.

emoji. :)
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Post by Tyler » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:51 pm

farjean2 wrote: Checking on the Australia trip, the price was $32k for first class as opposed to about $3.2k for economy for the two of us. Sorry, it's not worth that much to avoid 18 hours of misery.
If you can afford it, the sweet spot on international flights is business class. It's light years better than what they call first class within the US, and a whole lot cheaper than international first class. For example, Cathay business class has seats that recline fully flat into a bed. From what I can tell, first class is more about insane levels of service and a "pod" that feels more like a home office.
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Re: Will United Airlines offer incentives to book with them?

Post by pugchief » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:07 pm

sophie wrote:
United can mistreat & squeeze passengers while reaping record profits because there's nothing to stop them. They're a monopoly, especially at their Chicago hub. Capitalism relies on competition to keep the wheels greased. No doubt this incident will result in a new set of regulations that won't fix the problem, but what's really needed is some good old fashioned, Warren Harding-style trust-busting.
They are far from a monopoly in Chicago. Every major airline and plenty of smaller ones fly in & out of O'hare, which is the second busiest airport in the US [used to be #1, now it's Atlanta]. Except Southwest, which only flies out of Midway.
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Post by technovelist » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:05 pm

Tyler wrote:
farjean2 wrote: Checking on the Australia trip, the price was $32k for first class as opposed to about $3.2k for economy for the two of us. Sorry, it's not worth that much to avoid 18 hours of misery.
If you can afford it, the sweet spot on international flights is business class. It's light years better than what they call first class within the US, and a whole lot cheaper than international first class. For example, Cathay business class has seats that recline fully flat into a bed. From what I can tell, first class is more about insane levels of service and a "pod" that feels more like a home office.
Tyler, it's often possible to fly international business for MUCH less than the "sticker price", usually by making bank on frequent flyer mile promotions from credit cards. I'd take advantage of the free trial on firstclassflyer.com to see if he has something good to recommend. thepointsguy.com is another good site to look for tips and tricks.
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Post by Tyler » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:08 pm

Thanks for the tip! Luckily I don't fly much any more, but the next time I do I'll check it out.

Even when the company wouldn't spring for business class, I had enough status that I'd occasionally get bumped into it for free at the gate when they wanted to fill out the main cabin. That was always a nice surprise.
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Post by technovelist » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:16 pm

Tyler wrote:Thanks for the tip! Luckily I don't fly much any more, but the next time I do I'll check it out.

Even when the company wouldn't spring for business class, I had enough status that I'd occasionally get bumped into it for free at the gate when they wanted to fill out the main cabin. That was always a nice surprise.
I've never had that good fortune. Getting into the business cabin going back and forth to South America took a lot of planning and research, as well as a fair amount of money, but I did it on two very long trips (Argentina and Uruguay).
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Re: Will United Airlines offer incentives to book with them?

Post by dualstow » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:06 pm

Jack Jones wrote:I feel like this article covered the issues very well:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/04/ ... -fail.html
tldr: United didn't have the right to eject the passenger.
Very interesting, Jack. I learned a lot.
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