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Pointedstick wrote:Interesting. You're right about their health, though. Incredibly high rates of alcoholism, domestic violence, and child abuse, too. If the Native community didn't exist, New Mexico would probably score a lot higher on pretty much everything.
Isn't there a large population of Hispanics, though? They're hardly the epitome of health and wellness either. Mexico has the highest obesity rate in the whole wide world.

I do think cultural pressures play a huge role in how healthy or lean you are (or are not). You are the average weight of your three closest friends or some trope like that. In my experience, fat people are woefully ignorant and that ignorance precludes having a self-aware vision in mind that would have them strive toward such health or leanness.
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Damn, 3+ chronic conditions? Eskimos would take a ride on an ice floe at that point for sure.

Wait... how are only 27% in fair/poor health if 66% have 3+ chronic conditions?
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That's Medicare patients, meaning the population age 65 or older plus disabled and people with certain severe illnesses that allowed them to qualify for Medicare. The stats you posted are thus not that surprising. I dare you to find a person > 65 who hasn't been diagnosed with hypertension and hypercholesterolemia. Just one more condition and you've got the count up to 3.

The Navajo are way worse off than Hispanics. It's not about the obesity. It's their disposition to type 2 diabetes. They have the highest incidence of any ethnic group.

On the plus side of random medical news, today I managed to convince my PMD that mammograms are utterly useless, and I have no intention of getting one. I pointed out that massive screening has not reduced the death rate from breast cancer, and that likely all they do is find indolent tumors that would go away on their own, and to be really effective against the life-threatening ductal carcinomas you'd have to get a mammogram (with its huge radiation load) every couple of months. Take that organized healthcare! Maddy, hope you get to read this.
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WiseOne wrote:That's Medicare patients, meaning the population age 65 or older plus disabled and people with certain severe illnesses that allowed them to qualify for Medicare. The stats you posted are thus not that surprising. I dare you to find a person > 65 who hasn't been diagnosed with hypertension and hypercholesterolemia. Just one more condition and you've got the count up to 3.

The Navajo are way worse off than Hispanics. It's not about the obesity. It's their disposition to type 2 diabetes. They have the highest incidence of any ethnic group.

On the plus side of random medical news, today I managed to convince my PMD that mammograms are utterly useless, and I have no intention of getting one. I pointed out that massive screening has not reduced the death rate from breast cancer, and that likely all they do is find indolent tumors that would go away on their own, and to be really effective against the life-threatening ductal carcinomas you'd have to get a mammogram (with its huge radiation load) every couple of months. Take that organized healthcare! Maddy, hope you get to read this.
WiseOne, how do you feel about CT scans? One was just ordered for me because a "little spot" was found on an ultrasound of my liver. So they want to get a closer look. Otherwise, my blood work for liver and kidneys is good. The ultrasound has been done each year for a while since being a sustained responder from treatment for Hep C, which was 12 years ago. I'm concerned about too much radiation and of course finding out some bad news that my blood work doesn't show. For the record, I'm 71 and have Senior Advantage Medicare coverage through Kaiser Permanente.
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WiseOne wrote:On the plus side of random medical news, today I managed to convince my PMD that mammograms are utterly useless, and I have no intention of getting one. I pointed out that massive screening has not reduced the death rate from breast cancer, and that likely all they do is find indolent tumors that would go away on their own, and to be really effective against the life-threatening ductal carcinomas you'd have to get a mammogram (with its huge radiation load) every couple of months. Take that organized healthcare! Maddy, hope you get to read this.
Funny you should think of me in connection with this issue; I've never had a mammogram for that very reason. I'm not well versed in the statistics, as you are, but I just can't see subjecting myself to a heavy dose of radiation that, in its own right, carries a not-unappreciable mortality statistic. I just hope that my penchant for good, clean living gets me through.

You've got to wonder just how those official recommendations come about. Do they simply reflect the study du jour? Are they the result of some form of lobbying on the part of the medical equipment industry?
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WiseOne wrote:On the plus side of random medical news, today I managed to convince my PMD that mammograms are utterly useless, and I have no intention of getting one. I pointed out that massive screening has not reduced the death rate from breast cancer, and that likely all they do is find indolent tumors that would go away on their own, and to be really effective against the life-threatening ductal carcinomas you'd have to get a mammogram (with its huge radiation load) every couple of months. Take that organized healthcare! Maddy, hope you get to read this.
Really, I thought the lamestream wisdom was that early detection had resulted in better survival outcomes at least for that early group, similar to PSA testing. But there is an alternative -- its thermography that uses infrared heat instead of radiation and tumor-imploding compresson.

Although honestly, if people would just take proper supplements like iodine, DIM, D3 and other breast affinity bioagents, it would probably be a moot issue. From what I understand, breast cancer is largely a genetic predisposition since not every woman develops it but you would never think that from the way the pink ribbon parade propaganda is.
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lazyboy wrote: WiseOne, how do you feel about CT scans? One was just ordered for me because a "little spot" was found on an ultrasound of my liver. So they want to get a closer look. Otherwise, my blood work for liver and kidneys is good. The ultrasound has been done each year for a while since being a sustained responder from treatment for Hep C, which was 12 years ago. I'm concerned about too much radiation and of course finding out some bad news that my blood work doesn't show. For the record, I'm 71 and have Senior Advantage Medicare coverage through Kaiser Permanente.
WiseOne can offer her own perspective, but I would never ever have a CT done under any cirumstance. They're the most dangerous, ordinary medical diagnostics you can expose yourself to. CT's cause the largest number of radiation-induced cancers -- about 250K a year, although there is legitimate dispute in the journals over that statistical finding (small comfort). But in my view, a much more serious problem is CT machines are emitting deadly high levels of radiation for convenience purposes; the technican doesn't want to be fiddling with the knob to have the lowest minimal effective dose for each and every patient so they just set it to max!!! There's even some horror stories of babies left in the CT machine and literally cooked [to eventual death] at such high doses for hours. But since it takes about 20 years for cancer to develop from a normal diagnostic, maybe you don't need to worry about it at your age?

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A much safer alternative is high resolution MRI's which are different from the more common, normal, poor-resolution MRI's. You will have to fight against the dogma to be an advocate for your own health. No one wants to upset the $$$ gravy train.

You could also protect yourself ahead of time with certain supplements, namely chlorophyllin and other DNA-protective/repair bioagents. But I worry that will be misconstrued as security theatre justification. Bioloigcal systems and radiation just do not mix.
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Maddy wrote:
WiseOne wrote:You've got to wonder just how those official recommendations come about. Do they simply reflect the study du jour? Are they the result of some form of lobbying on the part of the medical equipment industry?
It's worse than political lobbying. They're literally funded by the medical equipment manufacturer's, i.e. outright studies or there's financial interest with those researchers doing the studies, usually they get kickbacks, have stock, etc.. It has to be voluntarily disclosed now. But it doesn't do anything about all the studies in decades past that established current "standard of care". The Emperor has no clothes in probably 90% of what passes as current "standard of care".... it was lobbying, outright fraud, data manipulation, outright omission of unfavorable results, WHATEVER IT TOOK to convince the crony committees in the FDA (who also have financial interests from private sector) to stamp APPROVED.
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lazyboy wrote: WiseOne, how do you feel about CT scans? One was just ordered for me because a "little spot" was found on an ultrasound of my liver. So they want to get a closer look. Otherwise, my blood work for liver and kidneys is good. The ultrasound has been done each year for a while since being a sustained responder from treatment for Hep C, which was 12 years ago. I'm concerned about too much radiation and of course finding out some bad news that my blood work doesn't show. For the record, I'm 71 and have Senior Advantage Medicare coverage through Kaiser Permanente.
WiseOne can offer her own perspective, but I would never ever have a CT done under any cirumstance. They're the most dangerous, ordinary medical diagnostics you can expose yourself to. CT's cause the largest number of radiation-induced cancers -- about 250K a year, although there is legitimate dispute in the journals over that statistical finding (small comfort). But in my view, a much more serious problem is CT machines are emitting deadly high levels of radiation for convenience purposes; the technican doesn't want to be fiddling with the knob to have the lowest minimal effective dose for each and every patient so they just set it to max!!! There's even some horror stories of babies left in the CT machine and literally cooked [to eventual death] at such high doses for hours. But since it takes about 20 years for cancer to develop from a normal diagnostic, maybe you don't need to worry about it at your age?

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A much safer alternative is high resolution MRI's which are different from the more common, normal, poor-resolution MRI's. You will have to fight against the dogma to be an advocate for your own health. No one wants to upset the $$$ gravy train.

You could also protect yourself ahead of time with certain supplements, namely chlorophyllin and other DNA-protective/repair bioagents. But I worry that will be misconstrued as security theatre justification. Bioloigcal systems and radiation just do not mix.
Much thanks, MG, I had my medical history checked and I've already had two CT scans (2010, 2011), so, not wanting more high dose radiation, I'm waiting for a response to see if I can get a high resolution MRI.
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I thought the below excerpts from the field of audiology were interesting and germane to the topic. They reflect the current and future reality of what a "Medicare For All" run by unelected careerist bureaucrats and/or crony capitalist would be like. And as I mentioned elsewhere, this also reflects socialist intrusion by proxy into the private sector due to the operational reality of private insurance companies pegging their approval/rates off of Medicare coverage and reimbursement levels (why work harder if you don't have to?) and there is also a blitzkrieg of at least 50 three-lettered government agencies all literally "managing" this health care economy, Politburo-style.

First up is an example of gaming and fraud [emphasis added]:
In a post from 2011, I discussed some clear indications of potential fraudulent billing. According to the Medicare database, there had been a 1400% increase in the utilization of the code for rotational chair testing. The primary provider of these services was primary care/internal medicine specialists that did not even have the proper equipment to perform this test. Subsequently, Medicare made a coding change that reduced the reimbursement by 75% for those practitioners legitimately performing rotational chair testing. For more details about this, click here.

About four years ago, I was contacted by a fraud investigator for a large insurance provider that followed Medicare guidelines. She had seen my previous post and had some questions about a pain clinic billing for rotational chair testing. I knew the specific pain clinic and knew they did not have a rotational chair. When I told the investigator this was a widespread issue, she asked if I would be willing to speak to a group of fraud investigators at an upcoming meeting. I agreed, and dates were arranged. As we discussed my presentation further, I explained how I felt fraud investigators were part of the problem.

I explained that the problem, from my perspective, is that insurance companies think they can stop fraud by changing coding language, or changing a coding rule. When they see a spike in utilization, or a manipulation of a loophole in the coding language, they make an adjustment to decrease utilization or close the loophole. Here’s the problem with that: Who is going to strictly adhere to changes in coding language that negatively affects their bottom line? My guess is that it will be the people that were already following the rules, trying to function in an ethical and legal manner. Who is going to ignore or manipulate the new rule? Most likely, the same people that were abusing the old rule.

My message to the investigator was that to deter fraud, you have to go out and find the abusers, convict them, drop them as providers, or whatever it takes to penalize them for the fraudulent activity. When you keep restricting legitimate practitioners and lowering reimbursement below sustainable levels, you create an environment where only the abusers can survive. I made the point that their approach discouraged good care, and would eventually limit access to qualified providers. A week later, I got a call dis-inviting me to speak at the upcoming meeting.

http://hearinghealthmatters.org/dizzine ... date-2016/
Next up is an example of what is "allowed" and "not allowed" for Medicare coverage (decided by those same unelected careerist bureaucrats and/or crony capitalists) doesn't reflect common sense reality in any way, shape or form [emphasis added]:
Currently, Medicare pays approximately a national average of $24,000 for a cochlear implant, but $0 for hearing aids (Table 1). Let's examine this coverage disparity from scientific, regulatory, and political viewpoints.

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First, to be covered by Medicare, a device must provide a health benefit and “be determined to be reasonable and necessary for the diagnosis or treatment of an illness or injury or to improve the functioning of a malformed body member” (Social Security Act http://bit.ly/2bgSJHc).

As early as October 1986, cochlear implants, both 3M/House single-channel and Nucleus-22 devices, were covered for adult Medicare beneficiaries. This was supported by a 44-page report on scientific and clinical evidence from the Office of Health Technology Assessment (OHTA), a federal agency that made Medicare policy recommendations at the time (Feigenbaum. NCHSR, 1986 http://bit.ly/2bgVhW9). The 1986 report determined that cochlear implants restored sound detection, improved voice modulation and lip-reading, and, in some patients, provided a considerable degree of open-set speech recognition.

In 1992, Medicare coverage of the cochlear implant was extended to children. In 2005, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) markedly expanded the audiological criterion to include individuals who received a pre-implant score of ≤40 percent open-set sentence recognition under the best-aided listening condition (CAG-00107N http://go.cms.gov/2bgTiB0).

Today, Medicare not only covers the cochlear implant, but also its accessories such as microphones and batteries. The surgery may include additional coverage from the use of operating microscope to intra-surgical monitoring.

The OHTA and CMS guidelines relied heavily on peer-reviewed publications; to a lesser extent, on data submitted by the manufacturers to the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) and on professional society position statements; and the least extent, on expert opinions. For example, the CMS responded to three commentators who provided solid but unpublished data that they “encourage parties with such data to pursue publication, and thereby enlarge the pool of published evidence.” Apparently, the CMS has determined that the published evidence on the health benefits of hearing aids is inadequate, and that, accordingly, hearing aids do not merit any coverage.

http://journals.lww.com/thehearingjourn ... ot.10.aspx
Let this sink in for a minute. A vastly inferior and uber expensive solution that benefts only a couple hundred of thousand people at most is fully and completely covered by public health care, but a vastly superior and drastically cheaper alternative that would benefit at least tens of millions of people is not. What more needs to be said?
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We're not going to take it anymore.

That's what around 200,000 physicians across the U.S. could be saying about Medicare. Two surveys confirm that many doctors are looking to either exit the federal healthcare program or quit taking new patients. Could this really happen, and if so, how could it impact you?

http://www.fool.com/retirement/2016/11/ ... ients.aspx
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MachineGhost wrote:
We're not going to take it anymore.

That's what around 200,000 physicians across the U.S. could be saying about Medicare. Two surveys confirm that many doctors are looking to either exit the federal healthcare program or quit taking new patients. Could this really happen, and if so, how could it impact you?

http://www.fool.com/retirement/2016/11/ ... ients.aspx
I'm guessing greed will win - if too many doctors bail out of Medicare, they won't have enough patients to treat given the aging population demographics. Then there will be another "new" doctor/patient model to maximize income for those who are in it for the money moreso than in it to treat the sick. Only the Shadow knows.
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