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Reversing Diabetes

Post by Reub » Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:45 pm

Diabetes is something that effects approximately 100 million Americans and is growing exponentially. A new small study published this week in the NY Times entitled Hope For Reversing Type 2 Diabetes has demonstrated that a very low calorie, strict liquid diet (plus some low carb vegetables) has markedly reversed diabetes numbers even 6 months after the diet has been terminated.

"The researchers followed the participants after they had completed an eight-week low-calorie-milkshake diet and returned to normal eating. Six months later, those who had gone into remission immediately after the diet were still diabetes-free. Though most of those who reversed the disease had had it for less than four years, some had been diabetic for more than eight years."

This diet consisted of consuming 600-700 calories per day in three portions for eight weeks. Evidently, the diet works by causing the human body to utilize the fat already stored in the liver and pancreas, thereby enhancing the body's ability to use insulin.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/1 ... &smtyp=cur

Is this something that most of us should consider doing occasionally to prevent or reverse the signs of metabolic syndrome or general health? Personally, I wonder how this diet could be accomplished if one is physically very active and competing in sports activities. That wouldn't be easy and may not be possible.
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Re: Reversing Diabetes

Post by MachineGhost » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:43 pm

This seems only relevant to fat fucks who are eating way above their calorie expenditure needs.  600-700 calories a day is absolutely normal for a mostly sedentary, PC working, TV watching human and not a "very low calorie diet".  One wonders what the hell people think a "normal calorie diet" is -- that's how out of whack Super Sized perceptions are.  People are in such denial.

I'd wager the changes were permanent because the gut microbiome changed.  The microbiota that makes you fat would likely die off on a liquid and nonstarchy vegetable diet.
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Re: Reversing Diabetes

Post by Benko » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:50 pm

Reub,

1. 600-700 calories per day

I think many people would find that difficult to sustain.

2. I haven't keep up on the latest on intermittent fasting, though the long periods of going without food I gather is supposed to have many benefits, including improving glucose tolerance.

3. For something completely different: I've been checking out:
http://nutritionfacts.org

Run by a vegan physician (saturated fat is evil and such).  He reads all the human literature on diet and puts out frequent videos/written summaries.  I do believe he has some biases* but he has a lot of good info e.g. which fruits/vegetables/herbs are the best for e.g. cancer prevention, etc. and is worth checking out. 

*IN MY OPINION: Flax/chia is not as good as preformed EPA/DHA for most people and if you'r'e trying to lose weight, I think you'd be better off limiting your fruit consumption for starters. 
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Re: Reversing Diabetes

Post by Benko » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:58 pm

MachineGhost wrote: I'd wager the changes were permanent because the gut microbiome changed.  The microbiota that makes you fat would likely die off on a liquid and nonstarchy vegetable diet.
The part about gut microbiome and weight is very important.
MachineGhost wrote: 600-700 calories a day is absolutely normal for a mostly sedentary, PC working, TV watching human and not a "very low calorie diet".
 
Says the man on a permanently calorie restricted diet (CRON).

According to the mayo clinic a sedentary 30 year old male 5'9" 160 lbs needs 2100 calories.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifes ... t-20084939
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Re: Reversing Diabetes

Post by Benko » Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:45 pm

www.examine.com also has some useful info on increasing insulin sensitivity
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Post by MachineGhost » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:56 pm

Benko wrote: Says the man on a permanently calorie restricted diet (CRON).

According to the mayo clinic a sedentary 30 year old male 5'9" 160 lbs needs 2100 calories.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifes ... t-20084939
700 * 3 = 2100.  I eat about 600-650 calories a day depending on appetite.  Again, 600-700 is not a "very low calorie diet".  A "very low calorie diet" is eating like 1500 calories a day for men or 1200 calories a day for women.  I stand by my original statement.  Are you overweight/obese?  'cuz I'm not nor am I a skinny, sarcopenic Skeletor like Dr. Michael Greger.

When you eat high quality foods there is a natural upper limit to how much you can ingest because of the bulk and your lack of appetite (real appetite, not psychological/dopamine addictions/cravings).
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Re: Reversing Diabetes

Post by MachineGhost » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:03 pm

Reub wrote: It is possible that an intermittent fasting diet such as the one that I usually follow with an 8 hour eating window as suggested by MachineGhost might also afford benefits similar to those seen in this study however I haven't seen studies demonstrating the amazing long term results that are seen here. I would like to try this if I could except that my extensive physical endeavors would likely make it an impossibility or even self defeating.
Have you considered that all of your physical endeavors that prompt you to eat extra calories to perform such isn't doing you much good if you're still diabetic and overweight?  Exercise doesn't do very much for weight loss.  It's energy in and energy out that is of primary importance.  Yeah, I know its not fashionable these days, but that's because facts are boring, never exciting.  Until you learn to track your exact calorie intake and stop digressing with junk foods, its pointless to try to find a magical approach that will let you have your cake and eat it too (hey, I made a funny!!!).

But if you are adventurous like I am, I'd definitely try the diet.  But you're gonna get really sick of liquid meals very fast, trust me.
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Re: Reversing Diabetes

Post by Benko » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:13 pm

MachineGhost wrote:
700 * 3 = 2100. I eat about 600-650 calories a day depending on appetite.  Again, 600-700 is not a "very low calorie diet"A "very low calorie diet" is eating like 1500 calories a day for men or 1200 calories a day for women.
Perhaps you mean you eat 600-650 calories PER MEAL i.e. * 3?


"sarcopenic Skeletor like Dr. Michael Greger."
I ain't recommending anyone become a vegan or adopt his diet.  I do think eating lots of fruits and veggies worthwhile.
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Re: Reversing Diabetes

Post by MachineGhost » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:35 pm

Benko wrote: Perhaps you mean you eat 600-650 calories PER MEAL i.e. * 3?
LOL!  Touche.  I am but an protoplasmic amoeba communicating by telepathy to a transcommunication deviced hooked up to a PC....
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Re: Reversing Diabetes

Post by Reub » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:53 pm

So MG, are you consuming 650 calories per day or 3X a day? 650 calories per day sure sounds like a low calorie diet to me.
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Re: Reversing Diabetes

Post by Mark Leavy » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:54 pm

MachineGhost wrote: I eat about 600-650 calories a day depending on appetite.
MG - you seem pretty technical, but this post is damn suspect.  Human flesh generates about 1 watt per kilo of wasted heat.

If you are typing via mental telepathy from your coma, consuming 650 calories per day then I calculate you weigh about 32 kilos.  (~70 lbs)
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Re: Reversing Diabetes

Post by Mark Leavy » Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:02 pm

Back to Reub's topic on Diabetes...

I've been thinking a lot about metabolic syndrome lately - as I've had a few friends dealing with cancer and I firmly believe that cancer is a metabolic disease (energy pathways) and to a lesser extent an immune system failure.

Diabetes type 2 is a metabolic disease.
It kills me that as a society we are still fighting metabolic syndrome.  We KNOW how to prevent it.

1) Stay lean and strong.
2) Limit energy intake from carbs and polyunsaturated fats.
3) Stay active outdoors with sun exposure to bare skin.
4) Practice some form of periodic fasting.

Bada bing.  No more metabolic disorders.
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