The Left is eating itself

[MachineGhost]

They don't have a problem sorting it out at all. They've chosen immigrant rapists over women. This is why any mention of immigration restriction is met with howls of pain. Yet, you bring up 1400+ young girls raped and forced into prostitution in Rotherham England by muslim immigrants and it's all crickets from the feminist left. The left doesn't care about the issue except if it is scoring them points. If it's not scoring points, they ignore it.

It's crickets because its rightwing outrage hyperbole.  Cried wolf one time too many.  No credibility left.

[MachineGhost]

That makes a lot of the anti-immigration stuff seem sort of silly to me.  Of course, if people are very anti-Western values, that could be a problem, but we should be able to accommodate a lot of cultural diversity before that point.

No, the fabric of the USA is SHARED cultural values -- the ones besides being a sprawling giant shopping mall: truth, justice and the American way.  That implies assimilation no matter where immigrants are from.  It certainly helped tremendously that the majority of immigrants all had Anglo-Saxon and Judeo-Christian cultural values.

We haven't had too much problems with Hispanics immigrants because of Catholicism.  Unfortunately, Africans and their descendants are just relegated to the bottom of the totem pole and kept in place by the transnational elite.  But Muslims are an entirely different ball game.  They're not assimilating.  They have completely alien cultural and religious values.  They're fundamentally incompatible with the West.

Yet, I've read that compared to the EU, Muslims are actually assimilating here.  I haven't seen any hard proof but we better hope that is true or we're doomed like Rome was.

[Pointedstick]

What IS the value of "cultural diversity"? 

Why is expanding energy and working so hard towards "cultural diverisity" justified when it is merely a belief and not a value in economic or financial terms? 

Why does "cultural diversity" have to have so much energy expanded and so worked hard towards instead of ocurring naturally in a spontaneous free market?

It's nice to have people who are different from you--but not too different--close by--but not too close by.

The degree of difference and closeness is what people chafe over. Even liberal multiculturalists have their limits and most of them live their true feelings by not actually living in extremely diverse neighborhoods. But whatever their limits are, they're generally wider than the limits of conservatives, who prefer greater sameness or separation and will feel unhappy in a town or neighborhood that a liberal might feel just fine in.

Yet, I've read that compared to the EU, Muslims are actually assimilating here.  I haven't seen any hard proof but we better hope that is true or we're doomed like Rome was.

Muslims assimilate better here because for the most part the only Muslim immigrants we get are elites fleeing their own repressive societies. So they already share a lot of values with the west, which made them dislike where they started out. It also helps that there are very very few of them: less than half of a percent of the USA. It's hard to avoid assimilating when you're such a tiny minority.

[Kriegsspiel]

As I said before, there are values that may conflict - the value of keeping women safe, and the value of cultural diversity.  That doesn't mean that they don't actually care about either/both of those, it means that they care about both of them, but may have trouble sorting that out.  Just like my example of the economy and the environment.

I'm curious. 

What IS the value of "cultural diversity"? 

Why is expanding energy and working so hard towards "cultural diverisity" justified when it is merely a belief and not a value in economic or financial terms? 

Why does "cultural diversity" have to have so much energy expanded and so worked hard towards instead of ocurring naturally in a spontaneous free market?

I recently applied for a job where one of the questions they wanted me to answer was "why is diversity so important." It was tough for me to make up such an absurd answer, since I don't think it is important. They took a page out of Trump's book here, looking past the sale!

[jafs]

As I said before, there are values that may conflict - the value of keeping women safe, and the value of cultural diversity.  That doesn't mean that they don't actually care about either/both of those, it means that they care about both of them, but may have trouble sorting that out.  Just like my example of the economy and the environment.

I'm curious. 

What IS the value of "cultural diversity"? 

Why is expanding energy and working so hard towards "cultural diverisity" justified when it is merely a belief and not a value in economic or financial terms? 

Why does "cultural diversity" have to have so much energy expanded and so worked hard towards instead of ocurring naturally in a spontaneous free market?

Well, having grown up in a very diverse city - NYC in the 60's-70's, I found the experience excellent.  Being able to experience different cultures and learning about them was enriching for me.

We don't have to work towards it - we just have it, unless we try to squelch it, as many seem to want these days.  And, it's just part of our national history/identity, as we are and have been a nation of immigrants since very early on.

[jafs]

That makes a lot of the anti-immigration stuff seem sort of silly to me.  Of course, if people are very anti-Western values, that could be a problem, but we should be able to accommodate a lot of cultural diversity before that point.

No, the fabric of the USA is SHARED cultural values -- the ones besides being a sprawling giant shopping mall: truth, justice and the American way.  That implies assimilation no matter where immigrants are from.  It certainly helped tremendously that the majority of immigrants all had Anglo-Saxon and Judeo-Christian cultural values.

We haven't had too much problems with Hispanics immigrants because of Catholicism.  Unfortunately, Africans and their descendants are just relegated to the bottom of the totem pole and kept in place by the transnational elite.  But Muslims are an entirely different ball game.  They're not assimilating.  They have completely alien cultural and religious values.  They're fundamentally incompatible with the West.

Yet, I've read that compared to the EU, Muslims are actually assimilating here.  I haven't seen any hard proof but we better hope that is true or we're doomed like Rome was.

There were two metaphors used when I was in school - one was a "melting pot", which implies more loss of one's native culture, and the other was a "tossed salad", which implies less of that, and more of different cultures living side by side.

I think it's almost certainly a mistake to think that "Muslims" as a large group are fundamentally incompatible with our culture/values.  There is a wide spectrum among Muslims, and I would bet that many Muslims can live comfortably in our culture, just as Orthodox Jews do, for example, while also having practices that aren't as "equality" oriented as our secular culture is (Orthodox Jews separate men and women in prayer, and a woman has to ask her husband for a divorce, which if not granted, means she can't divorce him religiously).

[Pointedstick]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... nt/479049/

“I genuinely cared about these causes—still do,” he wrote, referencing everything from anti-racism to LGBT rights to reproductive health. “I believed I was doing something noble. At the same time,” he added, “a large part of me was not quite in agreement with some of the views and concepts espoused by social-justice groups. Their pro-censorship tendencies, fixation with intersectionality, and constant uproar over seemingly trivial and innocuous matters like ‘cultural appropriation’ and ‘microaggressions’ went against my civil-libertarian sensibilities.”

He fit in fine at the ACLU. But interacting with social-justice groups made up of high school and college students, he increasingly found himself having to bite his tongue.

“I never voiced my personal disagreements because having dissenting views is strictly forbidden in the activist circles I was a part of,” he explained. “If you’re white, you will be charged with being a ‘bad ally.’ (There's also certain gatherings you cannot come to because your mere presence might be threatening.) If you’re a person of color, your disagreements will usually be dismissed as some form of ‘internalized racism,’ ‘internalized sexism,’ or ‘respectability politics,’ among many other activist jargon's thrown at individuals who do not conform the groups views.”

Eventually, he started to speak up anyway, he said.

“On Twitter,” he wrote, “I discussed how trigger warnings have almost been rendered useless now that they’re used to alert individuals when talking about normal everyday things, like food, cars and animals. And that their use could potentially have adverse effects on academic freedom. I was accused of being outrageously insensitive and apparently made three activist cohorts have traumatic breakdowns.”

“In another tweet,” he added, “I criticized the usual tactic of campus activists to disrupt and heckle controversial speakers and advised them to raise their strong objections during the question and answer session, which lectures usually reserve long hours precisely to debate opponents. This time, the attacks got a little more personal. I was accused of being a ‘respectable negro,’ ‘uncle tom,’ ‘local coon’ and defending university officials to continue to ‘systemically oppress minorities.’”

I asked if he thought his race and ethnicity made it easier or harder to dissent. “A little easier, I guess,” he replied, “But it really doesn't feel good being a called a ‘house nigger.’”
[...]
Unfortunately, I think that Mahad Olad is correct to be concerned, and that too many left-wing student groups treat no one as badly as students of color or women who consider themselves to be classical liberals, libertarians, or conservatives, or who merely disagree with the actions of progressive protesters on campus.

They’re seen as special kinds of traitors.
[...]
Back in college, when I edited student newspapers both at Pomona College, my alma mater, and the Claremont Colleges, a consortium of 5 undergraduate institutions, I was constantly urging people who expressed thoughtful opinions in conversation to contribute to our op-ed pages. On four or five occasions, students of color regretfully declined, saying they didn’t feel able to set forth their opinions publicly without being savaged by a tiny subset of campus activists who, despite their small numbers, managed to chill speech. I always wondered if these students were exaggerating the likely backlash—their ostensibly heretical views were almost always extremely mainstream—until a conservative Asian American woman began writing for The Student Life and I got an education in leftist racist hate mail.

[MachineGhost]

What a bunch of freakazoids!  People are way too in their head and treat the contents is if it were reality.  Maybe there's a correlation between increasing Internet use and increasing lack of tolerance for meatspace free expression?

[Libertarian666]

I get solicitations from the ACLU all the time.

Here's what I tell them (and possibly have posted here before, but I forget...)

"I recommend that you split into two groups, one to defend actual rights like the ones in the Bill of Rights, and one to defend made up rights like the 'right to force someone to bake a wedding cake for gays'. I'll contribute to the first, but not the second."

[Benko]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... ers-losses

Karma, it's what's for dinner.

[Kriegsspiel]

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pre ... ers-losses

Karma, it's what's for dinner.

Occam's Razor: people are so ashamed of what they've just done, they'd rather say they voted for Sanders instead of Clinton.

[jafs]

Exit polls are a survey of a small percentage of voters, aren't they?

It's not surprising that projections made from those wouldn't necessarily match precisely with actual results, right?

[Xan]

Exit polls are a survey of a small percentage of voters, aren't they?

It's not surprising that projections made from those wouldn't necessarily match precisely with actual results, right?

Have you taken a statistics course?

[jafs]

Do you really want to interact with me?

If so, then I insist that you find some other way of doing that than just jabbing at me the way you do.

If not, then have a good life.

[Xan]

Do you really want to interact with me?

If so, then I insist that you find some other way of doing that than just jabbing at me the way you do.

If not, then have a good life.

Well I did ask a question; that's interactive.  If I'd just been looking to jab I simply would have asserted that you've never taken a statistics course.

[dualstow]

I was having a hard time finding the part II of this thread — every time i hit reply, it took me to a fork about electriity.
Anyway, scroll down for the cardboard sign. Oh dear Lord.

https://quillette.com/2020/12/27/a-stud ... thank-you/

[geaux saints]

I was having a hard time finding the part II of this thread — every time i hit reply, it took me to a fork about electriity.
Anyway, scroll down for the cardboard sign. Oh dear Lord.

https://quillette.com/2020/12/27/a-stud ... thank-you/

How do you pronounce that school's name?

[vnatale]

I was having a hard time finding the part II of this thread — every time i hit reply, it took me to a fork about electriity.
Anyway, scroll down for the cardboard sign. Oh dear Lord.

https://quillette.com/2020/12/27/a-stud ... thank-you/

Sorry!

Could you direct me to that fork on electricity??!!!

I just spent hours and hours today updating my electricity usage from my electric bills (I've been doing this since 1998) and doing a lot of research on what to buy so as to do real time monitoring of the electricity usage in my house.

Vinny

[dualstow]

I was having a hard time finding the part II of this thread — every time i hit reply, it took me to a fork about electriity.
Anyway, scroll down for the cardboard sign. Oh dear Lord.

https://quillette.com/2020/12/27/a-stud ... thank-you/

How do you pronounce that school's name?

/BRIN-marr/ It’s Welsh for big hill I think.

[geaux saints]

I was having a hard time finding the part II of this thread — every time i hit reply, it took me to a fork about electriity.
Anyway, scroll down for the cardboard sign. Oh dear Lord.

https://quillette.com/2020/12/27/a-stud ... thank-you/

How do you pronounce that school's name?

/BRIN-marr/ It’s Welsh for big hill I think.

I was hoping for something more exotic. Thanks man.

[dualstow]

Heh. At least the spelling is exotic.

[dualstow]

That sign is evidence that if you have a high school aged child, you should really think twice before sending them to college unless it's absolutely necessary. If a STEM degree becomes leftified, we are doomed as a society.

It is heartbreaking. Other countries are going to eat our lunch.

[Mountaineer]

We have a main E/W road on the north side of Chicago called Bryn Mawr. And there are no hills here. Flat as a pancake.

A college in PA.
https://www.brynmawr.edu/

[Libertarian666]

That sign is evidence that if you have a high school aged child, you should really think twice before sending them to college unless it's absolutely necessary. If a STEM degree becomes leftified, we are doomed as a society.

Don't worry about STEM graduates from Bryn Mawr.
They're mostly English majors, or at least that's what it was like when one of my first girlfriends went there back in the late Devonian.

[dualstow]

On topic, I promise

https://www.etymonline.com/columns/post ... atic-words