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Re: Vaccines

Post by jacksonm2 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:19 am

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A person I know very well had shingles (after having both the original and Shringrix vaccinations several years apart) but supposedly the case was much milder than it would have been w/o vaccination according to the physician. The breakout sites were in the mouth, which took quite a while to diagnose (two dentists and two physicians over a couple weeks) as that is a rare place to develop shingles, and lower back. A consequence of the shingles in the mouth, according to the dentist, was two teeth developed "dying" nerves and required root canals. The back pain took several months to go away. Another person I knew got the breakout around one eye ... almost went blind. Anecdotes yes, but something to consider. The anecdotes are to express my agreement with pugchief's comment about shingles being horrible. My wife and I did not hesitate, and suggest others not hesitate if you are old enough, to get vaccinated; the downside risk appears to be far, far less than the consequences resulting from a shingles attack.
Got shingles 2 years ago last month and yes it is awful. Mine was in the left arm and shoulder and I found nothing that provided anything more than mild relief for the pain. And then there was the constant itching which drove me crazy due to lack of sleep. All in all, the whole episode lasted about 2 months but for a lot of people, myself included, that's not the end of the story. There is something call PHN (post hepatic nueralgia) which can linger afterward for as long as the rest of your life. Mine has been gradually decreasing and is almost gone so I'm confident I won't be in the latter group.

I believe what brought my case on was a weakened immune system due to severe jetlag on a trip to Australia, followed with catching a very bad cold from being 8 days in a car with a child sneezing and coughing on me the whole time. That had been my second bad cold that year so my immune system was probably still in recovery from that. I'm no doctor but according to what I've read, it is believed that this can be what cases the virus, which has been tucked away and isolated somewhere in a nerve from chicken pox, to be set free. And obviously it's pissed off from being restrained for all those years.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by dualstow » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:31 am

My Dad had it. Shingles sounds absolutely horrible, and somehow your last line made me smile.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by sophie » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:48 am

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My Dad had it. Shingles sounds absolutely horrible, and somehow your last line made me smile.
My parents both had it. It is awful, and sometimes causes serious issues like hearing loss if it affects the ear, long-standing pain etc. Hope yours completely recovered? Anyway it's a blessing that people who got the vaccine before they could contract chicken pox won't have to worry about shingles.

Slight nitpick, the virus lives in nerve cells in the spinal cord or brainstem, not blood vessels. The linear distribution follows the dermatome innervated by the guilty nerve root. I guess this is nice to know because you know it won't spread beyond that, unless there are other nerve roots involved.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by jacksonm2 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:58 am

sophie wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:48 am
dualstow wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:31 am
My Dad had it. Shingles sounds absolutely horrible, and somehow your last line made me smile.
My parents both had it. It is awful, and sometimes causes serious issues like hearing loss if it affects the ear, long-standing pain etc. Hope yours completely recovered? Anyway it's a blessing that people who got the vaccine before they could contract chicken pox won't have to worry about shingles.

Slight nitpick, the virus lives in nerve cells in the spinal cord or brainstem, not blood vessels. The linear distribution follows the dermatome innervated by the guilty nerve root. I guess this is nice to know because you know it won't spread beyond that, unless there are other nerve roots involved.
Yes, I remember reading that it was in a nerve, not a vein, so thanks for the correction. Honestly, I don't really know the difference though.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by dualstow » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:49 pm

Sophie, yes, he fully recovered in the sense that he didn’t go blind or anything like that. I think he mostly had it on his back, and he still has feelings of “electricity” on his chest from time to time.
loot "goods taken from an enemy, etc.," 1839, Anglo-Indian, from Hindi lut, from Sanskrit loptram, lotram "booty, stolen property,"fm. PIE root *reup- "to snatch"
curfew - early 14c., curfeu, "evening signal, ringing of a bell at a fixed hour" as a signal to extinguish fires and lights, ... from Old French cuevrefeu, literally "cover fire"
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Re: Vaccines

Post by Maddy » Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:43 am

jacksonm2 wrote:
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Yes, I remember reading that it was in a nerve, not a vein, so thanks for the correction. Honestly, I don't really know the difference though.
No big difference. . . That's why Sophie does vascular surgery on the weekends.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by dualstow » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:09 am

I saw two relevant news items, both about measles.

(1) Germany is now imposing a fine of something like US$2,700 on those who don’t get their kids vaccinated.

(2) Measles makes your immune system “forget”. I think that means it messes with its ability to create the right antibodies.

I’ll add the sources and details later.
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(1) $2,800 - https://apple.news/AG0ia7O-JSFWLPnUk97EyQg
(2)
Measles not only weakens your immune system in the short term, bouts with the virus seem to wipe your immune system's memory, causing the body to forget how to fight off things that you may have already conquered. For some people, this so-called immune amnesia may linger for months to years after an infection.
source: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/scie ... e-amnesia/
loot "goods taken from an enemy, etc.," 1839, Anglo-Indian, from Hindi lut, from Sanskrit loptram, lotram "booty, stolen property,"fm. PIE root *reup- "to snatch"
curfew - early 14c., curfeu, "evening signal, ringing of a bell at a fixed hour" as a signal to extinguish fires and lights, ... from Old French cuevrefeu, literally "cover fire"
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Re: Vaccines

Post by sophie » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:42 am

Wow, I didn't know about the immune amnesia effect. (I'm not an infectious disease specialist after all...also not a vascular surgeon or I would be too busy earning a million dollar salary to be posting on this forum!!!)

I went through a self-assessment exam (for board qualification) over the weekend, and there were a few questions about neurological complications of measles. First time I've ever seen that. The message "get ready, here it comes" has definitely been filtering through the medical community.
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Post by vnatale » Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:31 pm

I'd written earlier (above):

"Since I'm on zero medication I've chosen the least monthly cost Medicare drug plan, which of course offers the least coverage.

I think the shingles vaccine was, therefore, going to be in the neighborhood of $300 or $400 for me to get it?

Again, I can afford it and it would not ever dent my lifestyle but I've not yet got it. I think my doctor was talking to me about getting it just about the time a new version was just coming out?"

After reading all that many of you subsequently wrote, I decided U should get the shingles vaccine in 2020.

I asked my doctor's office what was the name of the vaccine and was given a name. However, when I went to select my Medicare Drug plan for 2020 (at the last minute and late at night when no one insurance companies were answering their phones on December 14, 2019) I could not find that vaccine on any provider's lists so as to determine which plan would be the best option. So, I left it that I'd do without it for yet one more year and get it in 2021 after I found out what to look for in the Medicare drug plans.

Anyone here know the specific item I am supposed to look for in the Medicare drug plans?

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Re: Vaccines

Post by Mountaineer » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:01 am

The newest shingles vaccine that my wife and I received was "Shingrix".

https://www.shingrix.com/index.html

https://www.medicare.gov/coverage/shingles-shots
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Re: Vaccines

Post by pugchief » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:52 am

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The newest shingles vaccine that my wife and I received was "Shingrix".

https://www.shingrix.com/index.html

https://www.medicare.gov/coverage/shingles-shots
Yep. That is the one I just received. Although they told me if it wasn't covered it would only be around $100 for each of the 2 doses. Vinny, check with Walgreens or CVS or whatever is in your area. They both administer the injection and it might be less that what your MD charges.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by vnatale » Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:57 am

Mountaineer wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:01 am
The newest shingles vaccine that my wife and I received was "Shingrix".

https://www.shingrix.com/index.html

https://www.medicare.gov/coverage/shingles-shots
Thanks for the quick response. Shingrix was the name my doctor's office gave me (and, I actually remembered it last night).

However, when I again start the process, I don't know how to answer the following questions (pictured below). It seems like the questions are oriented towards a drug that one is taking on a regular basis rather than something which is a one time event?

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