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Re: Vaccines

Post by MachineGhost » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:29 pm

WildAboutHarry wrote: Seriously, for me it is a simple equation.  Are the risk and consequences of an adverse reaction to a vaccine greater than the same for the disease?  If so, avoid the vaccine.  If not, get the shot.
Don't we only have vaccines for diseases with horrobile outcomes?  The flu shot doesn't really count since thats more marketing fiction for profit than substance.

How do you decide that the risk of premature ovary failure (among many other negative, scary effects) in your pre-teen daughter is acceptable compared to the chance of getting a virus from sexual activity that might cause cervical cancer?  How can you even accurately judge the risk and probabilities when there is no transparency and insufficient data except for the most blatantly obvious?  Adverse events to vaccines are VOLUNTARILY REPORTED -- how well do you think that works as a monitoring system?  Are physicians considered to be the "transnational elite"???
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Re: Vaccines

Post by MachineGhost » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:17 pm

MachineGhost wrote: The relentless tit sucking at vaccination around here makes me sick.  It is the very last vestige of trust in Omniscient Big Government leftover from the naive 1950's.
I posted this for a reason. Because I am open to both sides, and I am curious as to whether others have factual data to support one position or another. Conspiracy theories and vulgar, inflammatory language ("I am right and the majority of you are complete idiots") kind of stuff does not do your position any justice.

Can you provide some factual data to support your position, please?
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As I previously mentioned, adverse events to vaccines are voluntarily reported (if they're even recognized and/or submitted), so we don't have full transparency.  The other problem is the CDC actively REFUSES to study vaccines long-term safety after approval (they just ignore the vaccine adverse event reports) 

But what we can do is look at the records from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) where almost $3 billion has been paid out to over 4,000 families: http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation ... report.pdf

VICP:
83 Cases of Autism: http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/view ... ntext=pelr

Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS):
30,000 Average Reports Each Year: https://vaers.hhs.gov/about/index

Measles:
108 Babies Dead: http://www.globalresearch.ca/measles-va ... es/5429736

MMR:
CDC Whistblower about Fraudulent Paper Long Used by Pro-Vaxxers Showing No Connection to Autism: http://i65.tinypic.com/2ywd5k1.jpg
Autism in Blacks: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2902521/
New Researcher ReAnalyzes CDC Whistleblower's Data (almost 25% higher rate of autism or 340% higher after 36 months): http://translationalneurodegeneration.b ... -9158-3-16
CDC Whistleblower Revealed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGOtDVilkUc
New Researcher & CDC Whistleblower: http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/08/whis ... -mont.html
CBS Report About Vaccine Manufacturer's Financial Support of Medical Journals: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-indepen ... defenders/

HPV:
Premature Ovary Failure: http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speak ... us-vaccine
Scientific Misconduct: http://sanevax.org/wp-content/uploads/2 ... -GACVS.pdf
Postmortem DNA Fragments: http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInfor ... erID=25840
Merck's Former Doctor: http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... -all-time/
AutoImmune Problems: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... 1/abstract

Adjuvants:
Aluminum: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14871632
Aluminum: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
Formaldehyde: https://www3.epa.gov/airtoxics/hlthef/formalde.html
Borax: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbo ... able-2.pdf

Flu:
Security Theatre: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ccine.aspx
Hospitals Penalized If Not Meeting Vaccinaton Quotas: http://khn.org/news/medicare-hospitals- ... urchasing/
Financially Driven, Not Safety Driven: http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/are-ma ... acilities/

Pro-Vaxxer Propaganda:
"Science is Settled": http://time.com/3947855/vaccine-poll-antivaxxers/
"How To Change an Anti-Vaxxer's Mind": http://time.com/3982723/changing-minds-vaccines/

Okay, that's all I can do for now.  Burned out.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by BearBones » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:43 pm

MachineGhost wrote: Okay, that's all I can do for now.  Burned out.
Thanks!
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Re: Vaccines

Post by MachineGhost » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:49 pm

dualstow wrote: There are a lot of charlatans who sell herbal supplements by making a bad guy out of the (admittedly problematic) pharmaceutical industry. I'm not comparing them to you, but I am saying that you both claim, "This industry is evil and full of lies, so what I have to tell you is true."

But, if I have to choose between my own doc & a general scientific consensus vs Opinionated Guy on the Internet (that's you), I'm going with my doctor.
Fair enough.  I don't think Big Pharma is evil, but it is breathtaking how corrupt it being in bed with the Big Government that is supposed to regulate it.  Without health freedom, everything else is truly meaningless.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by MachineGhost » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:04 am

Addendum

HPV:
Young Age HPV Infection == Later Cancer Unproven: https://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.as ... eid=184404
HPV Lead Research Speaks Out: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-re ... peaks-out/

(There's 100 different types of HPV; only 15 might develop into cancer, someday; the HPV vaccine only targets a measly two.)

Adverse Outcomes (Anecdotal, Viewer Discretion Advised):
https://www.pinterest.com/wholewheatgai ... r-stories/
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Re: Vaccines

Post by MachineGhost » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:40 am

IDrinkBloodLOL wrote: That said, out of curiosity, what would health freedom look like?
That depends on whether you want the utopian answer or the pragmatic answer.  Be either way, the transnational elite won't like it.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by WildAboutHarry » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:08 pm

[quote='MachineGhost'] How can you even accurately judge the risk and probabilities when there is no transparency and insufficient data except for the most blatantly obvious?[/quote]

Smallpox is blatantly obvious.  Polio is blatantly obvious.  Diphtheria is blatantly obvious.  Pertussis is blatantly obvious.  Tetanus is blatantly obvious.  MMR have sufficient serious sequelae (couldn't resist the alliteration) to just about be blatantly obvious.  Varicella vaccine is just about blatantly obvious.  This, to me, is pretty simple risk management.

I get the desire to not take any risk with vaccination.  And there is a kind of tragedy of the commons aspect to this, where non-vaccinated individuals get a free ride if sufficient numbers of the population are vaccinated.

And while I am no fan of California's guvment, its recently mandated vaccinations for school children include the big ones.  Not HPV, etc.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by l82start » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:22 pm

i am a bit leery of vaccination programs as they stand now... not because vaccinations are a bad idea... but the modern implementation seems highly questionable. the idea of vaccinations being given from minutes after birth and at what seems like very young ages, multiple illness vaccinations where they are all combined together, and questionable ingredients, all sound scary/unnecessary to me... i have no skin in the game so i haven't done any deep research and  i probably wont bother until i have a need to know, but based on the limited knowledge i have now, i would be inclined to wait till the kids were older, use individual vaccinations instead of cocktails, and take great care, go to extra expense to get clean ingredients vs the "who knows what" they seem to be putting in many of them..
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Re: Vaccines

Post by MachineGhost » Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:13 pm

WildAboutHarry wrote: I get the desire to not take any risk with vaccination.  And there is a kind of tragedy of the commons aspect to this, where non-vaccinated individuals get a free ride if sufficient numbers of the population are vaccinated.
That's an excellent observation.  I have thought of it recently also.  The whole issue is just a tragedy.  But my understanding of the Tragedy of the Commons was that the Supreme Court neutered any further private civil or criminal litigation against polluters.  And the same exact thing happened with vaccine manufacturers.  We now rely on the corruptible government for enforcement against multi-property infringing pollution and protecting us from dangerous vaccines.  I am arguing that it has not worked out very well in the latter case.  There's no skin in the game.  There's no responsibility.  There's no accountability.  And children and parents are the victims.  How big does the problem have to get before the transnational elite realize they have a SNAFU on their hands? ::)
And while I am no fan of California's guvment, its recently mandated vaccinations for school children include the big ones.  Not HPV, etc.
Slippery slope.  Some jurisdictions are already giving or mandating the HPV vaccine for elementary school girls.  Liberals can be Zombie Zealots when it comes to public policy initiatives.  Big Government can do no wrong.

As far as the old school vaccines that we all got on a relatively luxurious schedule, they don't exist anymore.  They're now in "improved, modern" but unproven bomb doses and formulations.  Even if you take out of all the toxic adjuvants and preservatives, you've still got the problem of unproven efficacy and unaccounted for side effects.  We can't even get our food labeled to reflect GMOs despite overwhelming public support, so I'm not holding my breath that the CDC and vaccine manufacturer's feel any feedback mechanism.  Otherwise, they would transparently address all of the issues head on instead of turning more and more stubborn and repressive.  What are they hiding?
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Re: Vaccines

Post by MachineGhost » Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:07 pm

Interesting and just sent to my rep:
I understand the California legislature is considering a bill, AB2638, that would protect physicians' rights to write medical exemptions to vaccination without fear of discipline or liability. I'm writing to urge you to support this important bill.

Since the passing of SB277, which eliminated all non-medical exemptions to vaccination, many doctors are refusing to write medical exemptions to anyone for any reason. This is because California law currently provides physicians freedom from liability for administering vaccinations, but not from writing medical exemptions.

In this environment, where physicians are denying medical exemptions to patients with qualifying medical circumstances due to fear of retaliation, the health of our most vulnerable patients is at risk.

The right of parents to make informed decisions regarding their children's health was seriously undercut by SB 277. It is critical that physicians feel empowered to grant qualifying patients medical exemptions to vaccination. Vaccines are not 100% safe, and some react more strongly than others to routine vaccinations. Please protect doctors qualified to make these judgments and allow them to protect our children!

Please support AB 2638.
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Re: Vaccines

Post by MachineGhost » Sat May 07, 2016 2:48 pm

Looks like "they" got to the CDC whistleblower.

[quote=https://www.focusforhealth.org/dr-brian ... -thompson/]Regardless of the content of Dr. Thompson’s reanalysis paper, these facts remain:

1. CDC scientists colluded to cover up a relationship between the timing of the MMR vaccine and autism in African Americans that was first discovered in November of 2001. Rather than reporting the results to the public, all data regarding this relationship were destroyed at a secret meeting held some time in August/September of 2002. This fact has been affirmed via an affidavit given by Dr. Thompson to Rep. Bill Posey in September, 2014.

2. Dr. Thompson attempted to warn the CDC Director at the time, Dr. Julie Gerberding, regarding this relationship, prior to the February 2004 Institute of Medicine meeting on vaccines and autism. Rather than allowing Dr. Thompson to present the information at this meeting, Dr. Gerberding replaced him as a speaker with Dr. Frank Destefano, current director of the CDC’s Immunization Safety Office, where he presented fraudulent results regarding the MMR vaccine and autism. Dr. Thompson was put on administrative leave and was threatened that he would be fired due to “insubordination.”

3. When Dr. Thompson attempted to leave the CDC later that same year, he was given a $24,000 retention bonus. Dr. Thompson’s impression of the timing of this bonus, in light of disciplinary actions taken against him earlier that year, is that CDC officials were “buying his silence” through controlling his actions as a CDC employee.

4. Dr. Thompson has published two papers linking thimerosal exposure in infant vaccines to tics in boys (Thompson et al. 2007 and Barile et al. 2012). CDC fraudulently maintains on their website that “There is no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site.” (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/). The tic result was also affirmed in the earlier CDC publication by Verstraeten et al. (2003) and the Andrews et al. (2004) publication.

5. CDC pressured Dr. Thompson to downplay the tic result of his analysis in his 2007 paper. He was instructed to deemphasize the tic result by the CDC’s Chief Science Officer, Dr. Tanja Popovic, by emphasizing that the “major finding of the study” was “there is NO associations (sic) of thimerosal exposure with the great majority of the outcomes.” Dr. Popovic also instructed Dr. Thompson to interpret any negative outcomes as “chance findings.”

6. CDC also pressured Dr. Thompson to withhold publication of his 2012 paper which reported a relationship between thimerosal and tics. Dr. Ed Travathan, head of the CDC’s National Center for Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, stated in an April 27, 2009 memo to him that the analysis was sound except for the tic results and that they should be omitted from the publication. Since the tic result was the only result that had a consistent negative relationship with thimerosal exposure, it seemed that Dr. Thompson’s superiors were specifically concerned that thimerosal’s safety and use not be questioned. As an epidemiologist, Dr. Thompson was justifiably concerned and critical of the CDC’s action to approve the paper for publication only after the CDC took the extraordinary step of adding an expert in tics to water down the paper to state, “This finding should be interpreted with caution due to limitations in the measurement of tics and the limited biological plausibility regarding a causal relationship.”
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Re: Vaccines

Post by BearBones » Sat May 07, 2016 3:08 pm

MachineGhost wrote: Regardless of the content of Dr. Thompson’s reanalysis paper...
Explain this part?
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