Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
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Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
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The ACLU’s Soghoian says a child porn sting is probably the best possible use of the FBI’s drive-by download capability. “It’s tough to imagine a legitimate excuse to visit one of those forums: the mere act of looking at child pornography is a crime,”? he notes. His primary worry is that Operation Torpedo is the first step to the FBI using the tactic much more broadly, skipping any public debate over the possible unintended consequences. “You could easily imagine them using this same technology on everyone who visits a jihadi forum, for example,”? he says. “And there are lots of legitimate reasons for someone to visit a jihadi forum: research, journalism, lawyers defending a case. ACLU attorneys read Inspire Magazine, not because we are particularly interested in the material, but we need to cite stuff in briefs.”?
Soghoian is also concerned that the judges who considered NIT applications don’t fully understand that they’re being asked to permit the use of hacking software that takes advantage of software vulnerabilities to breach a machine’s defenses. The Operation Torpedo search warrant application, for example, never uses the words “hack,”? “malware,”? or “exploit.”? Instead, the NIT comes across as something you’d be happy to spend 99 cents for in the App Store. “Under the NIT authorized by this warrant, the website would augment [its] content with some additional computer instructions,”? the warrant reads.
From the perspective of experts in computer security and privacy, the NIT is malware, pure and simple. That was demonstrated last August, when, perhaps buoyed by the success of Operation Torpedo, the FBI launched a second deployment of the NIT targeting more Tor hidden services.
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The ACLU’s Soghoian says a child porn sting is probably the best possible use of the FBI’s drive-by download capability. “It’s tough to imagine a legitimate excuse to visit one of those forums: the mere act of looking at child pornography is a crime,”? he notes. His primary worry is that Operation Torpedo is the first step to the FBI using the tactic much more broadly, skipping any public debate over the possible unintended consequences. “You could easily imagine them using this same technology on everyone who visits a jihadi forum, for example,”? he says. “And there are lots of legitimate reasons for someone to visit a jihadi forum: research, journalism, lawyers defending a case. ACLU attorneys read Inspire Magazine, not because we are particularly interested in the material, but we need to cite stuff in briefs.”?
Soghoian is also concerned that the judges who considered NIT applications don’t fully understand that they’re being asked to permit the use of hacking software that takes advantage of software vulnerabilities to breach a machine’s defenses. The Operation Torpedo search warrant application, for example, never uses the words “hack,”? “malware,”? or “exploit.”? Instead, the NIT comes across as something you’d be happy to spend 99 cents for in the App Store. “Under the NIT authorized by this warrant, the website would augment [its] content with some additional computer instructions,”? the warrant reads.
From the perspective of experts in computer security and privacy, the NIT is malware, pure and simple. That was demonstrated last August, when, perhaps buoyed by the success of Operation Torpedo, the FBI launched a second deployment of the NIT targeting more Tor hidden services.
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Re: Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
There's a white power website that I visit once in a while just to see what's doin'. I hope I'm not being tracked.
Re: Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
You probably are. If just reading about Tor can get you on a watchlist, I would think White Power websites would do it too. Then again, as long as it's a "White" power maybe you're OK
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Say you were curious about this Tor thing you keep hearing about and visited the Tor Project's Website to get more information (but don't use Tor). No matter. Just visiting the site could potentially get you on the NSA watch list. Search for Tor, Tails, or any number of privacy tools online is enough to flag you as an extremist by the NSA.
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Re: Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
The net is so broad that probably everybody is on some kind of list for that site or two they visit that's maybe a bit controversial. In which case, who cares?
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Re: Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
So what you are saying is that there is ammunition against everyone, so they can just prosecute anyone they feel like? e.g. say just people registered say R?Pointedstick wrote: The net is so broad that probably everybody is on some kind of list for that site or two they visit that's maybe a bit controversial. In which case, who cares?
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Re: Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
I'm definitely on the FBI's cat video list
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Re: Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
[quote=dragoncar]I'm definitely on the FBI's cat video list[/quote]
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Re: Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
I would say there are a lot more people who think they are government watch lists than really are. I suppose it makes them feel good or gives them something to rail against.
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Re: Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
Did y'all chicklen shits get over your fear and finally run Detekt?
http://gyroscopicinvesting.com/forum/ot ... veillance/
I'm wondering if the ability to detect this surveillane malware will be/has been integrated into antivirus software or will it still require this separate app? In the past, I've read that many antivirus companies specifically exclude surveillance malware from being detected because they're nothing but government apologists. Bending over is only fun during sex.
http://gyroscopicinvesting.com/forum/ot ... veillance/
I'm wondering if the ability to detect this surveillane malware will be/has been integrated into antivirus software or will it still require this separate app? In the past, I've read that many antivirus companies specifically exclude surveillance malware from being detected because they're nothing but government apologists. Bending over is only fun during sex.
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Re: Visit the Wrong Website, and the FBI Could End Up in Your Computer
Yeah, I'm wondering too.MachineGhost wrote:I'm wondering if the ability to detect this surveillane malware will be/has been integrated into antivirus software or will it still require this separate app?
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