Figuring Out Religion

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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Cortopassi » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:53 am

Maddy wrote:This thread needs to be taken out back and shot.
No smilies, so I assume that wasn't necessarily said in jest....

I personally don't currently believe in the religion I was brought up in (Catholic), or God in general (but I tell you, that sentence is still very difficult to write! From my upbringing, I still have a sense that he's up there marking me down in his big book of bad people...)

But if Mountaineer and others believe, more power to them. We are all free to listen or to not listen. As long as no one is forcing their beliefs on me by force, you can believe whatever you'd like.

At many times I wish I could be like Mountaineer -- to have such faith must feel pretty good. My brother and his family are that way. I have always been the black sheep. My mother, 82, finally accepted it just a few short years ago!

Happy New Year!
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Mountaineer » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:07 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Maddy wrote:This thread needs to be taken out back and shot.
No smilies, so I assume that wasn't necessarily said in jest....

I personally don't currently believe in the religion I was brought up in (Catholic), or God in general (but I tell you, that sentence is still very difficult to write! From my upbringing, I still have a sense that he's up there marking me down in his big book of bad people...)

But if Mountaineer and others believe, more power to them. We are all free to listen or to not listen. As long as no one is forcing their beliefs on me by force, you can believe whatever you'd like.

At many times I wish I could be like Mountaineer -- to have such faith must feel pretty good. My brother and his family are that way. I have always been the black sheep. My mother, 82, finally accepted it just a few short years ago!

Happy New Year!
Since the topic of this thread is "Figuring Out Religion", perhaps my response to the above two posts will be helpful in helping with that ... or not.

My initial feelings upon reading the two posts: Hopeful and seeing God at work. I'll explain why.

First to Maddy's post: I perceive Maddy to be very intelligent and very self-reliant based on her posts in this forum. I would characterize my self that way also. I too was in her shoes for many years, but generally, I was more apathetic toward religion than her "shoot it" remark indicates she is at present. I have great empathy for those self-reliant types who struggle with religion, and before anyone says "I'm not a religious person, or I don't need religion" I would beg to differ. If one ponders that statement seriously, I believe everyone has some sort of religion or god. It may be nature, it may be gardening, book reading, investing, fitness, helping the poor, cooking, or any number of endeavors that brings one comfort or stimulation or meaning. There is always hope that God will somehow snatch that person out of their apathy or disgust or intolerance toward Christianity. In the meantime, Scriptures say that Christians will be persecuted by the "world, i.e. non-believers". Thus, every time Christians are persecuted, even mildly on an internet forum, I am reminded of the veracity of Scripture; persecution is to be expected. We in this country have escaped the brunt of that persecution for a few hundred years; it will only get worse the closer the time to Christ's return. So, the more the persecution, the closer I am to living eternally with a perfect body and soul in the presence of Jesus. No more aches, pains, sorrow, or sadness. Come Lord Jesus!

Secondly to Cortopassi's post: His post indicates to me a sleeping-for-now Christianity and shows evidence of Christian graciousness. I expect God will use something that will get him back to church - perhaps pondering the reasons for his mother's late life conversion. Many of my friends who were raised Catholic have similar experiences. They have lingering feelings of guilt and fear a wrathful God. Those who have decided to read and study the Scriptures themselves (vs. just listening to their Priest) generally have a revelation; the Bible is the story of Jesus, the First Testament is about the need for a Savior and God's plan to deliver Him, the Second about the Savior and what He did ... FOR ME! The God of wrath who acted to bring the Savior to intersect with the world and save it becomes hidden, the revealed God shines forth and is understood as forgiving and gracious no matter how big ones sins. He wants everyone. Many will have ears to hear and go to where He has promised to be (in Word and Sacrament) when two or three are gathered together. From what I read and hear, and is true of my friends, the former Catholics who study the Scriptures usually end up in an Eastern Orthodox or Lutheran congregation, sometimes Presbyterian, or even sometimes back in a Catholic congregation with a renewed understanding; the liturgical congregations seem to have more appeal to them than the big box mega churches which do not have a commonly held confession that is subscribed to throughout the denomination - they tend to be Pastor dependent re. the doctrine.

My two cents.
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Maddy » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:49 pm

Mountaineer wrote: First to Maddy's post: I perceive Maddy to be very intelligent and very self-reliant based on her posts in this forum. I would characterize my self that way also. I too was in her shoes for many years, but generally, I was more apathetic toward religion than her "shoot it" remark indicates she is at present.
Just for the sake of clarity, it's religion--and not the message of the gospel--that causes me angst.
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Ad Orientem » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:06 pm

Merry Christmas everyone. Christ is born! Glorify Him!

https://youtu.be/7cQaEmKRYPo
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Mountaineer » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:49 pm

OK, it has been quiet on this thread for a bit. Here is something to chew on:

http://steadfastlutherans.org/2012/03/d ... for-death/

Blessings, ... Mountaineer
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Mountaineer » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:28 am

A blessed Lent 2018. I pray that we all come to love God and neighbor more, and for a deepening of Christian unity. Peace!
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Xan » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:59 pm

Mountaineer wrote:A blessed Lent 2018. I pray that we all come to love God and neighbor more, and for a deepening of Christian unity. Peace!
Same to you, Mountaineer, and I really appreciated the article you linked to just above your most recent post.

A lovely sermon for the beginning of Lent:
https://www.stpaulaustin.org/sermons/se ... dnesday-3/
(except for you, Ad O; I think you need to wait until Monday)
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Ad Orientem » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:18 am

Lent starts on Monday for us.
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Desert » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:15 pm

I feel like I should point out that this forum now has 666 members.
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Mountaineer » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:25 pm

You devil!
Desert wrote:I feel like I should point out that this forum now has 666 members.
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Desert » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:09 am

This is a great interview, on the part of both the interviewee and the interviewer.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/evangeli ... d=53370130
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Mountaineer » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:31 am

A joyous Saint Patrick's Day to all. Celebrate with some corned beef and cabbage or Irish stew with soda bread, Jameson's Caskmates Stout Edition, and a Guinness or two. :) Here is some history about St. Patrick's Breastplate for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pat ... reastplate
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