Figuring Out Religion

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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by screwtape » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:14 pm

l82start wrote: the Wikipedia page made him sound like a fountain of pointless academic minutia, much of which is regarded as being suspect by other scholars of academic minutia, (Wikipedia bias perhaps :o) the actual description of his book sounded like something i might enjoy reading.. 

i am not much swayed by the christian and their scorn of atheists and skeptics nor by the atheists scorn for christens...
I don't know. Seems to me like he can take a very dry subject to most people and make it sound interesting which is what I've heard that a lot of his students say about him.
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Post by screwtape » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:20 pm

MachineGhost wrote: God inspired me to write this post.
And he told me to change my screen name from Madbean to screwtape.
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by screwtape » Tue Jun 30, 2015 5:27 pm

Mountaineer wrote: That is what Scripture says.  If you choose to believe Price instead of Scripture, so be it. 
Price is Right!

But I'm reasonably confident based on what I've learned from a couple of his books that if I were to call myself a follower of his, he would kick my ass.
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by MediumTex » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:07 am

screwtape wrote:
Mountaineer wrote: That is what Scripture says.  If you choose to believe Price instead of Scripture, so be it. 
Price is Right!
Your words are masterful.  Such technique!

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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by MachineGhost » Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:15 am

MediumTex wrote: Your words are masterful.  Such technique!

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Too bad a million isn't what it used to be...  they really need to inflation adjust all these game show prizes so they're not such a yawn.
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Mountaineer » Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:20 pm

This Preacher Price is right on his theology (or Price is Right show) is a great example of man worshiping a god instead of God.  Even though a $1,000,000 prize is mere pocket change these days, there are many who would give their right (fill in the blank) to get it.  Whatever you set your heart on and put your trust in is truly your god - whether you call it god or not.  Even Preacher Price basically is worshiping his ability to just "decide" to get faith as if he could force God to give it to him or his congregation.  Whoever trusts and boasts that he has a great skill, prudence, power, favor, friendship, and honor also has a god.  It is better to acknowledge rather than deny it, as identifying the problem goes a long way toward identifying a solution.  Idolatry makes for a very strong truth diverter.

I would however agree the price of salvation is completely right - it is free and you have to do nothing to get it other than believe - no money or goods or selling your soul to the high bidder required.  ;D

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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Gosso » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:08 pm

screwtape wrote:
Mountaineer wrote:
screwtape wrote: And you know there's a saying that if you ever saw how they made sausage you would never want to eat it again.
I know that curiousity killed the cat, but since I'm not a feline, I'll go ahead and ask:

Why the madbean --> screwtape change?  Are you a CS Lewis fan?  Why not wormwood; did you wish to be a mentor or go for the authoratative position of senior?  ;)

... Mountaineer
I was once a fan of C.S. Lewis, especially the fantasy trilogy. I lately read a quote from him however, which I can't seem to find, wherein he said that once you become a Christian you should shut off your mind and not listen to voices that disagree with the Bible. So he would be considered a heretic in the church I currently belong to.

Why did I change my name from madbean? Well, I originally just picked madbean from a drop down list googling on "screen names" and thought it was time for a name more appropriate to my forum identity. Kind of like Jesus changing Simon to Peter.
I doubt CS Lewis would say something like that.  Keep in mind that Lewis was highly influenced by George MacDonald who was a universalist.  Lewis had a great love for philosophy, literature, mythology and fairy tales from all cultures...he was hardly closed minded.  He accepted Biblical inerracncy, but was not a biblical literalist.

Google "cs lewis, reason, imagination, universalism" and you'll find a great paper from Virginia Tech on how Lewis had universalist tendencies.  Here is the abstract:

"Though he is generally known as one of the key voices in conservative Christianity, this
thesis demonstrates that C. S. Lewis was in fact far more liberal in his view of salvation
than many would expect. Lewis argued for a universalist interpretation of salvation, in
which the death of Christ opened up the possibility of salvation for all of humanity, not
merely those people who could be identified as Christians. Lewis did believe that people
could and did choose Hell over Heaven, however, and still saw evangelism as the duty of
every Christian. All of Lewis’s writings are in a sense evangelistic, and all attempt to
effect the conversion of the reader in the same manner in which Lewis himself was first
drawn to Christianity: by baptizing the imagination in the hope that the reason will
follow."
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Desert » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:38 am

Douglas Wilson on gay marriage:
So in response to Kevin DeYoung’s very pertinent questions to rainbow-affirming Christians, Matthew Vines has responded with 40 questions of his own, these directed at Christians who are, as he puts it, “non-affirming.” Being as I am found in that latter category, let me have a shot at it.

What I want to do is either answer Matthew’s questions, or explain why I will not take the bait of answering a particular question. Put another way, I will answer the questions, but not the loaded questions.
http://dougwils.com/s7-engaging-the-cul ... e-q-a.html
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by screwtape » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:42 am

Gosso wrote:
screwtape wrote: I was once a fan of C.S. Lewis, especially the fantasy trilogy. I lately read a quote from him however, which I can't seem to find, wherein he said that once you become a Christian you should shut off your mind and not listen to voices that disagree with the Bible. So he would be considered a heretic in the church I currently belong to.
I doubt CS Lewis would say something like that.
I believe the author I was reading was referring to Lewis' essay, "The Obstinacy of Belief". The author's summary of that essay was that Lewis said that once you come to a reasonable belief in Christianity then it is reasonable to reject evidence to the contrary after that. Or something like that. I didn't read the essay so I don't know if that was a good summary or not.
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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Mountaineer » Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:20 am

Desert wrote: Douglas Wilson on gay marriage:
So in response to Kevin DeYoung’s very pertinent questions to rainbow-affirming Christians, Matthew Vines has responded with 40 questions of his own, these directed at Christians who are, as he puts it, “non-affirming.” Being as I am found in that latter category, let me have a shot at it.

What I want to do is either answer Matthew’s questions, or explain why I will not take the bait of answering a particular question. Put another way, I will answer the questions, but not the loaded questions.
http://dougwils.com/s7-engaging-the-cul ... e-q-a.html
Desert,

Thanks for that link.  I had not read Douglas Wilson before.  He sure took apart and spit out the snarky, provocative, chip on the shoulder, I'm smart and you are not, rainbow poser.  8)

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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Mountaineer » Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:24 am

My Pastor sent a great note on "the cure" to our congregation this morning. 

... M

I expand below the quotation that I mention often: 1 Peter 3:15.  Within its immediate context, it rings even louder and clearer after The Supreme Court's recent decision regarding marriage - which is a gift from God to be enjoyed by one man and one woman and is not merely a legal right for everybody! 

Having read a good amount regarding this decision from other Christians who believe The Bible to be God's inspired word to humanity, the consensus is starkly clear:  from a cultural perspective the decision should not surprise us, for it is a continuation of the rejection of Christianity in what is called Western Civilization. This began all the way back in The Enlightenment (1650s-1750s) and has continued up to this point through the most recent cultural convulsion that has deliberately demeaned The Bible - The Sexual Revolution. 

It is painful to witness this downfall around us, and it will continue according to Revelation.  Already in an article from Politico on June 26 Fredrik Deboer is arguing for the next logical step now that gay marriage is legal: polygamy.  We are witnessing the full manifestation of Satan's temptation (" But the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil" (Genesis 3:4-5)), of which the father of The Enlightenment, Renee Descartes, was in-your-face aware when he wrote, "I think, therefore I AM."  What he meant is, "I think, therefore I am god." 

We are witnessing the idolatry of self in our culture at a new level!  Jesus is the only cure.  This is what the Apostle Paul teaches:  "So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus" (Romans 6:11). 

This is the dynamic that happens every Sunday at Concordia:  we die as sinners (Baptism and Confession) and we are made alive to God in Christ Jesus (Baptism, Absolution, and The Supper). 

Come Sunday to hear the promises of Jesus!

In Christ,
Pastor Dave

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Re: Figuring Out Religion

Post by Desert » Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:34 am

Mountaineer wrote:
Desert wrote: Douglas Wilson on gay marriage:
So in response to Kevin DeYoung’s very pertinent questions to rainbow-affirming Christians, Matthew Vines has responded with 40 questions of his own, these directed at Christians who are, as he puts it, “non-affirming.” Being as I am found in that latter category, let me have a shot at it.

What I want to do is either answer Matthew’s questions, or explain why I will not take the bait of answering a particular question. Put another way, I will answer the questions, but not the loaded questions.
http://dougwils.com/s7-engaging-the-cul ... e-q-a.html
Desert,

Thanks for that link.  I had not read Douglas Wilson before.  He sure took apart and spit out the snarky, provocative, chip on the shoulder, I'm smart and you are not, rainbow poser.  8)

... M
Yeah, Wilson appears to be quite a character.  He became pretty well known after participating in a series of written debates with Christopher Hitchens in Christianity Today.  Later he joined Hitchens again to film the movie Collision, which is well worth watching. 
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