You didn't answer my first point:Ad Orientem wrote: I completely agree. Which is why I support (with deep reservations) a single payer system like almost every other country in the civilized world has. Obamacare is a mess. It was an attempt to get everyone insured while bowing to the free market god.
If all you/democrats cared about was poor people having access to health care, then the answer is simple, give everyone under a certain income health care to whatever level you desire, and leave everyone else's heath care alone. "
Because your goal is CONTROL, government control over everything and everyone. To what extent it does or does not help poor people (or harms everyone) is irrevelant. If I am wrong, explain why what I suggest is not to your liking?
"why don't we just cut the bull and institute single-payer, and if it doesn't work after 8 year people will hate it and we'll go back to what we have now"
it is not possible to go back once it is instituted, and you know that.