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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by Kshartle » Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:52 am

Pointedstick wrote: from a purely political perspective, Chris Christie has several major things going against him:

1. He's fat and ugly. No way around this.
2. He has no natural base. Conservative support for him is extremely tepid. Liberals hate his guts. Independents aren't convinced.
3. He can't carry his home state in a presidential election. Huge red flags there. Mitt Romney had the same problem…
Running a certain loser didn't stop the republicans last year, and didn't stop the dems with Kerry. These elections look like WWE.

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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by Ad Orientem » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:24 pm

Pointedstick wrote: from a purely political perspective, Chris Christie has several major things going against him:

1. He's fat and ugly. No way around this.
2. He has no natural base. Conservative support for him is extremely tepid. Liberals hate his guts. Independents aren't convinced.
3. He can't carry his home state in a presidential election. Huge red flags there. Mitt Romney had the same problem…
I'm not sure I agree. His weight problem gives him an ordinary guy image. He has public approval ratings near 70% in New Jersey. If he is the nominee NJ will likely go Republican for the first time since forever. His great weakness is that the far right hates his guts. While the Tea Party types constitute only about 30% of the GOP they vote as a block and they are dominant in some key Republican states. They are a minority but they have effectively hijacked the GOP. So yeah, that is going to be a problem.

But if he somehow manages to get the nomination (unlikely) he is the only one I think who can go toe to toe with Hillary and the Clinton machine.
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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by Pointedstick » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:37 pm

Ad Orientem wrote: I'm not sure I agree. His weight problem gives him an ordinary guy image. He has public approval ratings near 70% in New Jersey. If he is the nominee NJ will likely go Republican for the first time since forever. His great weakness is that the far right hates his guts. While the Tea Party types constitute only about 30% of the GOP they vote as a block and they are dominant in some key Republican states. They are a minority but they have effectively hijacked the GOP. So yeah, that is going to be a problem.

But if he somehow manages to get the nomination (unlikely) he is the only one I think who can go toe to toe with Hillary and the Clinton machine.
That he has almost 70% support in a very blue state should ring some alarm bells. It's not just the far right; the less-far and only slightly far right hate his guts too. They think he's a total RINO. He's another east coast liberal in conservative's shoes, in their estimation. They think of him as Mitt Romney II with a weight problem and a "union thug" attitude.
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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by Mdraf » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:50 pm

If the Tea Party "hijacked" the GOP how in the world did Romney win the nomination?
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Post by Ad Orientem » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:52 pm

Mdraf wrote: If the Tea Party "hijacked" the GOP how in the world did Romney win the nomination?
They couldn't agree on an anti-Romney candidate. It was a very weak field.
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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by tennpaga » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:19 pm

Ad Orientem wrote:
Mdraf wrote: If the Tea Party "hijacked" the GOP how in the world did Romney win the nomination?
They couldn't agree on an anti-Romney candidate. It was a very weak field.
Indeed.  The Tea Party types loved, at various times:

Michele Bachman
Herman Cain
Rick Perry
Newt Gingrich

Oddly, though Ron Paul could arguably be viewed as the godfather of the whole Tea Party movement, and he won the 2011 CPAC poll, and nearly won the Iowa straw poll (won by Bachman), he never seemed to get serious attention from even the Republican media (Fox News, Wall Street Journal), and was treated like crap by the Republican party.  I wonder why that was?

Hint: it wasn't his views on the gold standard.
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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by technovelist » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:31 pm

TennPaGa wrote:
Ad Orientem wrote:
Mdraf wrote: If the Tea Party "hijacked" the GOP how in the world did Romney win the nomination?
They couldn't agree on an anti-Romney candidate. It was a very weak field.
Indeed.  The Tea Party types loved, at various times:

Michele Bachman
Herman Cain
Rick Perry
Newt Gingrich

Oddly, though Ron Paul could arguably be viewed as the godfather of the whole Tea Party movement, and he won the 2011 CPAC poll, and nearly won the Iowa straw poll (won by Bachman), he never seemed to get serious attention from even the Republican media (Fox News, Wall Street Journal), and was treated like crap by the Republican party.  I wonder why that was?

Hint: it wasn't his views on the gold standard.
No, it was because he was opposed to unlimited spending on the military industrial complex. No candidate like that can ever win the R nomination as long as the current scumbags are in charge.
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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by Benko » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:38 pm

Christie does have one important quality (IMHO):  he can more than hold his own when questioned by media/others trying hard to make him look bad (there are you great fun you tube videos of such). CHristie is too much a RHINO to be my preferred candidate.  I believe Cruz can handle himself.  Anyone seen enough of Paul to know if he can?  From the last group, the only one that could handle the media was Newt. 

Put another way, both CHristie and Cruz are alphaish (as in alpha male) and that quality (I suspect) will be helpful in getting elected.  Or perhaps I am nuts.
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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by technovelist » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:41 pm

Benko wrote: Christie does have one important quality (IMHO):  he can more than hold his own when questioned by media/others trying hard to make him look bad (there are you great fun you tube videos of such). CHristie is too much a RHINO to be my preferred candidate.  I believe Cruz can handle himself.  Anyone seen enough of Paul to know if he can?  From the last group, the only one that could handle the media was Newt. 

Put another way, both CHristie and Cruz are alphaish (as in alpha male) and that quality (I suspect) will be helpful in getting elected.  Or perhaps I am nuts.
Paul is very smart and can handle himself very well.
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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by Benko » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:22 pm

technovelist wrote:
Paul is very smart and can handle himself very well.
Agreed. I just watched an interview of him and I was impressed. Perhaps sanity without charisma is sufficient to get elected at this point in time.
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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by Coffee » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:54 pm

Brian Sandoval: Young, good looking, Latino and smart enough to get elected in a state divided by Conservatives and Libertarians in the north and Dems in the south.

The "Coffee" theory is that: Americans vote for the candidate that comes across as most genuine and who they would like to have over for a bbq to hang out with.  Reflect back on every candidacy since Kennedy/Nixon and you'll see it's true, issues be damned.
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Re: Republicans tickets that could challenge Hillary

Post by RuralEngineer » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:04 am

Pointedstick wrote:
Ad Orientem wrote: I'm not sure I agree. His weight problem gives him an ordinary guy image. He has public approval ratings near 70% in New Jersey. If he is the nominee NJ will likely go Republican for the first time since forever. His great weakness is that the far right hates his guts. While the Tea Party types constitute only about 30% of the GOP they vote as a block and they are dominant in some key Republican states. They are a minority but they have effectively hijacked the GOP. So yeah, that is going to be a problem.

But if he somehow manages to get the nomination (unlikely) he is the only one I think who can go toe to toe with Hillary and the Clinton machine.
That he has almost 70% support in a very blue state should ring some alarm bells. It's not just the far right; the less-far and only slightly far right hate his guts too. They think he's a total RINO. He's another east coast liberal in conservative's shoes, in their estimation. They think of him as Mitt Romney II with a weight problem and a "union thug" attitude.
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I've was pitched firmly off the crazy train to right wing land long ago and I still can't stand this guy.  There are plenty of moderate to right leaning independents and GOP voters who won't support Christie for his various Democrat policies and the lingering stench of B.O. (that's Barack Obama, not body odor...although I'm sure a double dose of Old Spice Deodorant wouldn't hurt either).

Any GOP politician who doesn't completely energize his base AND capture independents is guaranteed to not only fail, but fail spectacularly.
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