Would Cruz/Palin Be An Unbeatable Ticket?

[notsheigetz]

I think the era of the moderately conservative white male Republican candidate is over and has been since Bush the first. Bush the lesser was an anomaly because he ran against two insufferable white male opponents (Gore and Kerry).

Given the changing voter demographics as evidenced by the last two elections I believe Hillary Clinton is nearly unbeatable unless the Republicans go for a Hail Mary. And the Hail Mary candidate is, in my opinion, Sarah Palin. Before you laugh, consider that they once laughed at Ronald Reagan in much the same way and for the same reasons as Sarah Palin.

Despite what I said above about the changing demographics, the most popular program in the history of cable TV is now "Duck Dynasty". I don't know how many "Duck Dynasty" voters there are out there but my guess is they break heavily for Sarah Palin if they can be motivated to come out and vote. I also think Hillary Clinton is a lousy debater and Sarah Palin would eat her lunch, not to mention she looks a lot better. And also, I believe the horrible smear tactics that liberals would resort to against Palin just as they did last time would begin to backfire big time.

So there you have it. And if you want to double down you can make it Sarah Palin with a black male conservative in the VP slot.

The real slogan should probably be "What have we got to lose" but somebody will think of something better.

[Pointedstick]

So there you have it. And if you want to double down you can make it Sarah Palin with a black male conservative in the VP slot.

From the office of "It's so crazy it might just work:" Palin / Cain 2016!

[notsheigetz]

So there you have it. And if you want to double down you can make it Sarah Palin with a black male conservative in the VP slot.

From the office of "It's so crazy it might just work:" Palin / Cain 2016!

Yeah, a real "two-fer".

I would love to see the look on Hillary's face when she comes to the realization that the first woman president thing isn't going to be working out as well as she hoped.

I'm not predicting this will happen or even that Palin would be a good president but I do think if they put another McCain, Romney, or Bush up against Clinton, the Republicans lose big time.

[Reub]

The more that I think about it the more I think that Cruz/Palin could win.

[Kshartle]

After the economy is crushed by the Obamanation as long as the elephants run someone other than another socialist like Romney they should win.

I think a majority of the electorate will be fed up with this economy strangling nonsense even though they'll be poorer.

[MediumTex]

Sarah Palin just doesn't strike me as a leader.  Like Cruz, she just seems like a gadfly.  These people tell you everything that the other guys are doing wrong, but can't point to any viable alternatives or a track record of accomplishment when it comes to the things that they support.

Take Cruz and Obamacare, for example.  When it's all said and done he will only be able to say that he fought against it and lost.  IMHO, that's not an accompishment; that's a failure.  I want to see him succeed in doing something through his elected position, like maybe sponsor a bill cutting taxes and get it through the Senate, lead public support to get it passed the House and then put enough pressure on the President to sign it into law.

Rand Paul seems like the guy who could potentially grow into a very legitimate presidential candidate two or three cycles down the road.

And when it comes to Sarah Palin facing off against Hillary Clinton, does anyone really think that Palin would be able to out-debate Clinton?  To paraphrase Frank Sinatra, I'll bet Hillary Clinton would say that she's got chunks of opponents like Palin in her stool.

[Kshartle]

I want to see him succeed in doing something through his elected position, like maybe sponsor a bill cutting taxes and get it through the Senate, lead public support to get it passed the House and then put enough pressure on the President to sign it into law.

Imagine a bill that cut spending and didn't just increase the deficit by reducing taxes. That would make me believe in miracles.

[Kshartle]

i don't get the Sara Palin love myself, to me she is all sound bites, colorful sayings and a pretty face. if you had to go into a lab and build a character to appeal to the duck dynasty bumper-sticker slogan, low information male conservative voter you couldn't do better, but are those really leadership quality's? are they representative of deeply held or understood principals? or a measure how she would preform in office? my guess is she would be a puppet of the establishment GOP in office and would end up being Bush, McCain, Romney, Obama, part 3 4 5

Has anyne seen the pic of her in the American flag bikini with a shotgun? Is that legit?

It was a while back but she should go for that look during the campaign.

[Pointedstick]

Has anyne seen the pic of her in the American flag bikini with a shotgun? Is that legit?

I believe that one turned out to be a fake.

[Libertarian666]

i don't get the Sara Palin love myself, to me she is all sound bites, colorful sayings and a pretty face. if you had to go into a lab and build a character to appeal to the duck dynasty bumper-sticker slogan, low information male conservative voter you couldn't do better, but are those really leadership quality's? are they representative of deeply held or understood principals? or a measure how she would preform in office? my guess is she would be a puppet of the establishment GOP in office and would end up being Bush, McCain, Romney, Obama, part 3 4 5

I'm not a big Palin fan, but I think she would be a lot better than any of those. She actually seems to have conservative convictions.

I'm not a conservative either, but that is still better than the run of fascists we've had recently.

[Kshartle]

Has anyne seen the pic of her in the American flag bikini with a shotgun? Is that legit?

I believe that one turned out to be a fake.

Can anyone confirm this? I can't research this one on my work computer.

Man, if it's fake then I have absolutely no reason to vote. 

[moda0306]

i don't get the Sara Palin love myself, to me she is all sound bites, colorful sayings and a pretty face. if you had to go into a lab and build a character to appeal to the duck dynasty bumper-sticker slogan, low information male conservative voter you couldn't do better, but are those really leadership quality's? are they representative of deeply held or understood principals? or a measure how she would preform in office? my guess is she would be a puppet of the establishment GOP in office and would end up being Bush, McCain, Romney, Obama, part 3 4 5

I'm not a big Palin fan, but I think she would be a lot better than any of those. She actually seems to have conservative convictions.

I'm not a conservative either, but that is still better than the run of fascists we've had recently.

Tech,

Sorry but you lost about 1,000 "libertarian" points with this post.

Her words on Iraq alone wreak of Fascist excuses for military engagement and occupation.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2008/09/02 ... gods-plan/

Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will.

I don't trust Mrs. Palin for a second to keep out of my life.  She'll obviously do whatever a combination of her jingoistic and corporate supporters will ask her to.  I'm amazed that someone so obsessed with perfect liberty would even consider her tolerable.  She might get taxes lowered and reduce industry regulations, as well as possibly dismantle a few pieces of our social safety net, but she'll also likely expand our military and I highly doubt she'll be an enemy of government snoopery, and she'll say it's God's will, when that voice in her ear is not actually God, but the lobbyists she'd let make her opinion up for her.

[Libertarian666]

i don't get the Sara Palin love myself, to me she is all sound bites, colorful sayings and a pretty face. if you had to go into a lab and build a character to appeal to the duck dynasty bumper-sticker slogan, low information male conservative voter you couldn't do better, but are those really leadership quality's? are they representative of deeply held or understood principals? or a measure how she would preform in office? my guess is she would be a puppet of the establishment GOP in office and would end up being Bush, McCain, Romney, Obama, part 3 4 5

I'm not a big Palin fan, but I think she would be a lot better than any of those. She actually seems to have conservative convictions.

I'm not a conservative either, but that is still better than the run of fascists we've had recently.

Tech,

Sorry but you lost about 1,000 "libertarian" points with this post.

Her words on Iraq alone wreak of Fascist excuses for military engagement and occupation.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2008/09/02 ... gods-plan/

Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will.

I don't trust Mrs. Palin for a second to keep out of my life.  She'll obviously do whatever a combination of her jingoistic and corporate supporters will ask her to.  I'm amazed that someone so obsessed with perfect liberty would even consider her tolerable.  She might get taxes lowered and reduce industry regulations, as well as possibly dismantle a few pieces of our social safety net, but she'll also likely expand our military and I highly doubt she'll be an enemy of government snoopery, and she'll say it's God's will, when that voice in her ear is not actually God, but the lobbyists she'd let make her opinion up for her.

When did I say she was tolerable? I said that I think she's less awful than the last few presidents. That's a very low bar to get over.

[Reub]

Cruz did what most of the fatcat Senate Republicans refuse to do. He went out front and center, stated his case eloquently and forcefully against Obamacare, focused attention on why it is a trainwreck, and showed he is a gutsy, reasoned, able fighter. This will only help him in his future endeavors and might actually create the possibility for some short term gain in the Obamacare trainwreck.

MT, I really don't care that he is a freshman and hasn't passed a bill yet, to be honest. He is 100% correct about Obamacare. The Republican Party needs a Ted Cruz type now. 

[Pointedstick]

MT, I really don't care that he is a freshman and hasn't passed a bill yet, to be honest. He is 100% correct about Obamacare. The Republican Party needs a Ted Cruz type now.

So it doesn't matter that he hasn't done anything yet as long as he's passionate and sincere, and you agree with his opinions?

I remember an awful lot of liberals saying things like that about this up-and-comer named Barack Obama in 2007! Myself included.

[Reub]

MT, I really don't care that he is a freshman and hasn't passed a bill yet, to be honest. He is 100% correct about Obamacare. The Republican Party needs a Ted Cruz type now.

So it doesn't matter that he hasn't done anything yet as long as he's passionate and sincere, and you agree with his opinions?

I remember an awful lot of liberals saying things like that about this up-and-comer named Barack Obama in 2007! Myself included.

Please do not equate Ted Cruz with Barack Obama. It is a ridiculous comparison. They are diametrically opposed ideologically. The fact that you could not see what Obama really was does not in any way diminish what Cruz is today.

[Pointedstick]

Please do not equate Ted Cruz with Barack Obama. It is a ridiculous comparison. They are diametrically opposed ideologically.

Obviously they believe different things and have different visions for the country. What I'm saying is that the details of their personalities, backgrounds, career trajectories, and records of accomplishment are very similar. I get that you like Cruz a lot, but try to have a bit of perspective. You sound like a starstruck teenager!

[MediumTex]

MT, I really don't care that he is a freshman and hasn't passed a bill yet, to be honest. He is 100% correct about Obamacare. The Republican Party needs a Ted Cruz type now.

So it doesn't matter that he hasn't done anything yet as long as he's passionate and sincere, and you agree with his opinions?

I remember an awful lot of liberals saying things like that about this up-and-comer named Barack Obama in 2007! Myself included.

Please do not equate Ted Cruz with Barack Obama. It is a ridiculous comparison. They are diametrically opposed ideologically.

I think the point is that people should be cautious about getting too excited about backing an unknown quantity based upon impressive sounding rhetoric.

Give Ted Cruz time to develop a record and a following.  That's all I'm saying.  IMHO, many of the people who are excited about Cruz now are like Justin Bieber fans and Cruz is just their flavor of the week (Reub, I'm not saying this about you).  These same people in recent years have been excited about Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Rand Paul and now Ted Cruz.

To build a loyal base you need more than the Drudge Report stoking the fire for you.

However good Cruz is today, won't he be even better after he has some accomplishments under his belt?  I say let him get some seasoning before sending him to the White House.

[Libertarian666]

So it doesn't matter that he hasn't done anything yet as long as he's passionate and sincere, and you agree with his opinions?

I remember an awful lot of liberals saying things like that about this up-and-comer named Barack Obama in 2007! Myself included.

Please do not equate Ted Cruz with Barack Obama. It is a ridiculous comparison. They are diametrically opposed ideologically.

I think the point is that people should be cautious about getting too excited about backing an unknown quantity based upon impressive sounding rhetoric.

Give Ted Cruz time to develop a record and a following.  That's all I'm saying.  IMHO, many of the people who are excited about Cruz now are like Justin Bieber fans and Cruz is just their flavor of the week (Reub, I'm not saying this about you).  These same people in recent years have been excited about Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry, Rand Paul and now Ted Cruz.

To build a loyal base you need more than the Drudge Report stoking the fire for you.

However good Cruz is today, won't he be even better after he has some accomplishments under his belt?  I say let him get some seasoning before sending him to the White House.

Which of these is not like the others? Hint, he has been in politics for decades and has run for President several times.

[Benko]

Give Ted Cruz time to develop a record and a following. 

That would be preferred, and certainly Cruz is far from perfect.  However the reality, is that there are only a relatively few interested in running, and several of those (Ryan and Rubio) have disqualified themselves by being in favor of immigration reform. 

Rand Paul does seem like a good choice (though I would like to learn more).  IF ELECTED, he might very well make a good president.  I'm not sure who stands a better chance of being elected Paul or Cruz. 

And yes, a qualified governor would be a good choice if one can find one.

[Coffee]

There is a big difference between Cruz and Palin.  Cruz has the mental horsepower, Palin does not.  I admire Palin's convictions and a lot of her positions.  I think her heart is in the right place.  But she simply doesn't have the mental horsepower.  It's like comparing Sean Hannity to Rush Limbaugh.  Hannity is a parrot.  Rush actually has his own insights and goes against the Republican party when he thinks they are too soft.

I'm a tea party guy, and I wouldn't even vote for Palin unless she was running for governor again.

Your point about Cruz not having "accomplished" anything is not a big deal.  If he had a history of compromising with the RINOS and the Dems, he wouldn't be the ideological candidate that he is.  Your argument is like saying, "He has no history of fucking things up yet, so he's unelectable."

He may be unelectable because he comes across as mean spirited, though.  Needs to work on that, IMHO.

[craigr]

I don't think his speaking out against ObamaCare is to rally any elected republicans. He's completely playing for the wider electorate at this point...

I'd say mission accomplished for Sen. Cruz:

http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/meltdown-gop ... unplugged/

[Reub]

I guess that I'm not the only starstruck teenager who likes Justin Bieber these days, craigr.



"WASHINGTON — Following the epic, 21-hour speech by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, supporting the defunding of Obamacare, either voters made so many calls to establishment Republicans that their phone lines melted, or those GOP leaders took their phones off the hook."

[MediumTex]

Ted Cruz is red hot right now.

It will be interesting to see where he is in six months.

[craigr]

My thinking is that Cruz and Paul are going to keep jabbing sticks in the eyes of the GOP establishment for the next few years. I get the feeling they both know how unpopular the core GOP leadership is and are going to milk it for everything. We'll just have to see if the enthusiasm lasts from the press and public...