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Just noticed the part about soaking your toothbrush in a cup of listerene.  Do  you really think that makes any difference?

Benko wrote: Just noticed the part about soaking your toothbrush in a cup of listerene.  Do  you really think that makes any difference?

Oh yeah, toothbrushes are disgusting cesspools of bacteria (especially spray from uncovered toilet) and recontaminating your teeth isn't a great idea.  That being said, I rarely do it because I don't like wasting so much listerine.  Maybe I'll just start cleaning the brush along with the nightguard in the ultrasonic cleaner every morning.

Be sure you tip your head back and to the sides to get the back molars when doing the squishing.

I remember reading the website of an anti-plastic woman, and she made mouthwash out of vodka. I suppose it's the same main ingredient as Listerine: ethanol. But, no  menthol, thymol, methyl salicylate, or eucalyptol.

dualstow wrote: I remember reading the website of an anti-plastic woman, and she made mouthwash out of vodka. I suppose it's the same main ingredient as Listerine: ethanol. But, no  menthol, thymol, methyl salicylate, or eucalyptol.

I would disagree which are the most important ingredients.

MachineGhost wrote:

Benko wrote: Just noticed the part about soaking your toothbrush in a cup of listerene.  Do  you really think that makes any difference?

Oh yeah, toothbrushes are disgusting cesspools of bacteria (especially spray from uncovered toilet) and recontaminating your teeth isn't a great idea.  That being said, I rarely do it because I don't like wasting so much listerine.  Maybe I'll just start cleaning the brush along with the nightguard in the ultrasonic cleaner every morning.

Be sure you tip your head back and to the sides to get the back molars when doing the squishing.

MG,

Important point for those who were unaware about toilet spray and the importance of not keeping uncovered toothbrushes in the bathroom.  I have an Oral B and there is a little covered container you put the brushhead in between uses.

OK which part is the squishing again? 

Agree.  I misunderstood when you listed main ingredient as alcohol.

Benko wrote: Agree.  I misunderstood when you listed main ingredient as alcohol.

That was I who misleadingly called ethanol the "main" ingredient, but yes, not necessarily the active ingredient. In the vodka mouthwash recipe, it was the germ killer, with some peppermint or cinnamon added for fresh breath.

P.S. Finally got some Closys rinse this week. My mouth feels kind of like a swimming pool, but I like it.

MangoMan wrote: The menthol, thymol, eucalyptol, and methyl salicylate [essential oils] are the active ingredients. The alcohol is only present to keep the essential oils in solution. The newer Total Care line eliminates the alcohol and uses another ingredient to hold the oils in solution. They also add fluoride.

Avoid the "Total Care" type toothpastes and mouth rinses.  They will interfere with the regime's effectiveness, mostly because of the tartar-control and antibacterial type of bioagents which are unproven safe long-term (and the FDA will ban triclosan eventually as it is an endocrine disrupter, promotes cancer as well as bacterial resistance).  There's some horror stories of mouth cancer or serious teeth/gum problems from using "Total Care" type toothpastes.  Crest Original is simple, proven and hasn't been changed in literally decades.  Why mess around?  For that matter, do not also use the flavoring bottle that comes with the Closys.  It also interferes with the effectiveness.

The worry over the alcohol in mouthrinses has become another urban legend.  It's not the alcohol that's the problem per se, but going to bed with a dry mouth from alcohol (or acidic PH).  Hence ACT Anticavity for the last step and not any of the other "Total Care" kind of ACTs.

I just wanted to post an update that the teeth staining was not casued by the regime but by the beet root powder acting as a carrier in the sublingual S.O.D. that I take.  The directions say hold for two minutes then swallow -- well I was holding it for around 10 minutes while shaving in a hot sauna.  Doh!

I also had my lower wisdom teeth extracted at my request about two weeks ago and the regime really amped up the gum recovery to warp speed!

MachineGhost wrote: I just wanted to post an update that the teeth staining was not casued by the regime but by the beet root powder acting as a carrier in the sublingual S.O.D. that I take.  The directions say hold for two minutes then swallow -- well I was holding it for around 10 minutes while shaving in a hot sauna.  Doh!

I also had my lower wisdom teeth extracted at my request about two weeks ago and the regime really amped up the gum recovery to warp speed!

I love you man.  Even when you call me whacko.
Mark

Plaque attack: Close up images of teeth reveal what lives in your mouth
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picture ... me=3022995

Can we get this sticked? It's a ridiculously awesome thread.

Just wanted to post some feedback.  Been using the regimen, especially the chlorine based rinse most religiously, and it has helped a lot.

Thanks again!

TennPaGa wrote: Ask and you shall be glued.

I asked MT but never heard back from him.  Has he absconded his moderator duties?

Benko wrote:Just wanted to post some feedback.  Been using the regimen, especially the chlorine based rinse most religiously, and it has helped a lot.

Thanks again!

Are you able to use the CloSys twice a day without negative taste effects?

MachineGhost wrote:

Benko wrote:Just wanted to post some feedback.  Been using the regimen, especially the chlorine based rinse most religiously, and it has helped a lot.

Thanks again!

Are you able to use the CloSys twice a day without negative taste effects?

Yes, twice a day is not a problem.  Either straight, or diluted in water, closys has little taste. 

On my most energetic days, I put however much closys they suggest FOR THIS USE, diluted in warm water in my waterpick and irrigate undergumline and between teeth.  Then brush.  The do same thing i.e. diluted listerene and irrigate between teeth and under gumline.  Then rince with the fluoride red stuff that I forget name of.  Floss sometimes.

Sometimes just closys with waterpik or just closys rinse + brushing.  Varies.

Of interest, here's the world's first dental citizen science campaign.  We'll put MangoMan out of business, yet!

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubio ... icrobiome/

I tried a WaterPik recently and it seems to have cracked two of my fillings. Dentists must love these things!

It's not impossible.  It happened. The fillings might have been weakened but if they were I certainly didn't know it. I used the Waterpik for 4 days and needed emergency dental care twice. Don't you love it when the experts deny the facts to suit their own reality?

Two dental emergencies within 4 days of using the Waterpik. Two cracked fillings. Two payments to my dentist.

MangoMan wrote:

Reub wrote: Two dental emergencies within 4 days of using the Waterpik. Two cracked fillings. Two payments to my dentist.

Yep, that's proof. 

Since you are such a stickler for the scientific method, where is your absolute "proof" that it positively doesn't damage teeth or fillings beyond your own personal experience?

I see that your unequivocal proof is available on the Waterpik website. Nice!

Besides being information disseminated by Waterpik themselves, the studies examined inflammation,  gingivitis,  pocket depth, and flora. Nowhere was there a study mentioned of damage caused by Waterpiks vis a vis trauma to teeth and existing fillings.

Reub wrote: Two dental emergencies within 4 days of using the Waterpik. Two cracked fillings. Two payments to my dentist.

Reub,

Fillings are metal. Cracking a filling with a waterpick? very unlikely.  Look at basic principles.  how do you take a firehose and crack a metal brick.  I suppose if you could narrow the firehose spray to a very narrow stream and hold it at 1 tiny point on the metal brick for a long long time, something bad might happen eventually, but that is not how they are used.

The filling was almost certainly already bad and you probably cracked them from biting down on something.

I've been using a waterpick for years without problem.  Mine has a volume control and I have the volume set fairly low, but it does the job of getting rid of the food, etc., so it works fine for me.

You may not believe it, but unless you're doing something really silly with the waterpick, there is no way those filling were not bad already and it was just a coincidence.

i lost my teeth through the years from being pre  diabetic  so i have all implants at this point .  over the last 8 years i had 11 put in and i rejected 5 .

hoping the latest take well . i hate going through this as well as the cost each time .

I gave this a try for a few months, and tried continuing w/out the Closys because it's so damn expensive. I've found that I can't live w/out the Closys now.

Is there a generic version of Closys?