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Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:50 pm
by bedraggled
Pug,

I just submitted a lengthy reply but the system may have eaten it.

I'll try again later. I'll tell Xan in that other thread.

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:40 pm
by vnatale
bedraggled wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:50 pm
Pug,

I just submitted a lengthy reply but the system may have eaten it.

I'll try again later. I'll tell Xan in that other thread.
The same has happened to me several times. However, I am now forced to conclude that it's always been due to the dreaded "operator error".

I think it has something to do with either quoting or previewing that requires to me to do a "double" submit. It's those times that I don't that what I thought I'd submitted, it turns out that I never did.

Also, for anything that is quite lengthy and out of concern that anything can happen to a computer at any time I send an email to myself with my draft so far so I can easily recover my draft prior to my final "Submit".

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:44 am
by bedraggled
Pug,

Here's the 2nd try at explaining the situation for the New York dentist we see who is approaching age 73.

He's on a reduced schedule with low office overhead. His wife is a gem who works with him. Everyone thinks she is a gem. He's in 4 mornings per week with travel time off during holidays. We have been seeing him for 36 years and have brought the kids in, too. If the virus pushes him into retirement, he be on the golf course every day. At age 72, his practice gives him something to do after early morning laps at the nearby pool. He recently sold his nearby home and moved near the golf course, he doesn't bicycle to work anymore I wish I was in as good shape.

In Florida last year, I got a crown done. It was good work and I mentioned the work on this thread. They encouraged me to order a $600 guard to prevent night tooth grinding. It looked huge. The New York dentist told me over the phone to hold off. He had been watching any grinding issues for several decades, said there was no real rush and prescribed a small, comfortable guard for $100 that insurance paid. The New York dentist said many small practices are being merged with a profit motive. He said he was content with his one dentist set up and enjoyed working with his familiar patients. We are happy and fly in twice each year. A third time, if convenient, for Vinny's suggested "pay for extra cleanings."

He recommended his friend and golf buddy, the oral surgeon, to pull our kids' wisdom teeth in anticipation of braces. Nice work there, too. Years later we met the surgeon and thanked him for the great work. Those situations rarely arise.

As part of the journey, we found a great orthodontist, not far away in the NYC northwestern suburbs. After 3 years of arriving early for monthly appointment @ 8:30AM, he commented that we never miss, drive 45 minutes and cross the George Washington Bridge in traffic. He said patients down the block regularly miss appointments and demand to be seen. We approach everything with courtesy. We get stressed in we might be late.

I suspect we will have a sense of loss when Dr. NY retires full time to his driver and 5 iron.

And thanks for the input on wholistic dentistry. That simplifies the future.

Cheers.

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:40 pm
by bedraggled
Pug,

It's been a great 3 1/2 decades.

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:06 pm
by bedraggled
Pug,

We came up with a good one on the home front.

After almost three decades of dental care for the kids, our two were finding it too time consuming for semi-annual visits to Dr. NY. We decided to pay them. So, when we hear about a check up, we transfer cash to their accounts. They seem pretty pleased with the arrangement. All our effort should not go out the window. And they have darn good teeth.

If either suggests a desired item or activity is a tad expensive, we know a way to increase the ol' cash balance. It works.

As Wiley Coyote said: "Genius! That's what it is! Sheer Genius!"

Does this generation think teeth grow on trees? (Do they? I am not a dentist?)

Also, we know a good dentist in Galway, Ireland. When a crown popped off switching planes in Philadelphia, we used the internet. A train ride away. Cost to glue the crown, 50 Euros on the credit card. Don't know how to judge the expense but good dentistry is priceless.

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:25 pm
by bedraggled
pug,

i read it a few years ago. which particular story?

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:10 pm
by vnatale
MangoMan wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:47 pm

I suggest you read Thomas Stanley's The Millionaire Next Door.
I read a review of that book I believe Thanksgiving 1997? I expected the book to be available. It was not. Every week I'd go to the bookstore and ask if it was in. No. Weeks and weeks go by and now even moths. I ask and the answer is No. I gave up. Then one day I was in the section and to my shock it was there! I was overjoyed. I must have read it in one sitting because it reaffirmed all that I was!

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:28 pm
by bedraggled
Pug,

I'm at the 6-month mark for visiting the dentist. We hope to fly up for Thanksgiving but I don't know. This is uncharted territory and I don't like it. Listerine does some nice work per your suggestion.

On the lighter side, I note you are a Tesla owner. I am envious. In my last six gas station visits there were things going on that maximized inconvenience. I don't want to go to gas stations anymore. I will move any further Tesla discussion to the Cars We Love/Hate and May Buy thread.

In conclusion, I saw your recommendation on The Millionaire Next Door. I didn't get to. I will get the Kindle out this evening. Thanks.

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:53 pm
by vnatale
dualstow wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:29 pm
Welcome back, MG. I miss your tech posts.
Not even the Mighty Dualstow with all his super powers is able to bring MachineGhost back to the forum?

During my many, many, many months through the archives I read a great amount written by him. But never had the opportunity to interact with him. He was the Hank Aaron of the forum in terms of total posts until you not that long ago Barry Bonds'ed him. And, I don't believe you achieved that goal through the use of any "special supplements". I think you did it all through the natural strength of your own fingers.

His original post which started this topic was outstanding!

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:02 pm
by vnatale
dualstow wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:30 pm
williswine wrote: Peelu USA (no affiliation) sells dental fibers made from the same tree as that chewing stick.
Neat! I have bought Peelu's xylitol gum before. It wasn't cheap, but it was good quality.
Since July I've been committed to chewing Dr. Ellie's gum many times a day...after each time I eat something. Soon I will also be purchasing her mints. 20% off buying things from her web site for the next five days or so with the proper code.

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:17 pm
by vnatale
Mark Leavy wrote:
Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:10 am
Deep Thoughts :  On tooth and gum maintenance.

I have long felt that the standard approach to teeth maintenance is inherently flawed.  I base that on the following premises:

1) Tooth and gum disease is clearly a chemical or biological issue - yet virtually all  practitioners rely on coarse mechanical means for maintenance.  Toothbrush, floss, “cleanings”? by the dental hygienist.  This is clearly whacking at the leaves while ignoring the root.

2) Taken as a whole, wild animals don’t have tooth and gum disease.  Other than being domesticated, why should humans be different?

Over a few years of experimentation, I’ve finally gotten to the point where I was able to discard my dentist.  For mechanical maintenance, I brush twice a day to remove wine and coffee stains (purely out of vanity).

By pure accident, while exploring other aspects of human biology, my previous periodontal and tooth decay issues have disappeared. Here’s what works for me:

1) I don’t eat carbohydrates - so no dental caries.  The bugs that produce caries starve to death in my mouth.

2) I eat a lot of raw free range egg yolks.  They are very high in vitamin K2.  Vitamin K2 carboxylates (i.e. activates) the protein osteocalcin which forces free calcium into the bones and teeth - and prevents it from depositing into the soft tissues such as the arteries and gums - thus no teeth tartar to scrape off.

3) I eat an ounces of hydrolyzed collagen every day.  Scurvy (you know the disease that most people believe is a lack of vitamin C?) is really a disease of deficient collagen production.  The teeth get loose and bleed, the joints ache, the organs fail.  Pretty much the same thing that happens to us as we get older.  As we get older, we don’t manufacture collagen as easily.  We get more and more scurvy like.  Taking collagen directly in our diet mitigates the production issue - and reverses many of the symptoms - including periodontal disease.

So… I didn’t set out to address tooth and gum issues in my own life, but some of the other things that I experimented with inadvertently eliminated them entirely.
Earlier this year I read both of Dr. Ellie's books and started following her regime in early July. In preparation for my first dentist visit (yesterday) since last January I reread both of her books late last week.

Regarding the items I highlighted above...

1) Total agreement with what Dr. Ellie preaches. That what is going on in your mouth chemically is primarily going to
cause any mouth problems. Keep the good bacteria and eliminate the bad bacteria and you will have good results.

2) Eating carbohydrates and leaving them unmanaged in the mouth then provides the perfect food for the bad bacteria to feed upon and then grow to wreak havoc in your mouth.

She does not address the other items that you cite as being effective. I cannot render any judgment on their effectiveness.

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:21 pm
by vnatale
MangoMan wrote:
Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:56 am
WiseOne wrote:
Mark Leavy wrote: 2) Taken as a whole, wild animals don’t have tooth and gum disease.  Other than being domesticated, why should humans be different?
Because we now live longer thanks to agriculture, sanitary engineering, antibiotics etc.  As the old saw goes, it's no fun getting old but the alternative isn't so great either.
It is also because the wild animals don't eat the crap modern humans do.
WiseOne wrote:
I thought the grapefruit seed extract in Petzlife is the active ingredient that sets it apart from Listerine.  Listerine does indeed kill bacteria & viruses (it's the best remedy I've ever found for cankersores) and Closys apparently does same, but these products do nothing for tartar once it's formed.  The petzlife stuff really does dissolve tartar.  I don't know of any product made for humans that does this successfully, including all those "tartar control" toothpastes.
Yep, that pet spray is mostly Listerine. Tartar is essentially old plaque that has not been removed by mechanical means [brushing, flossing] that hardens from exposure to calcium salt precipitates in the saliva.
Has anyone else laughed at or questioned when someone says: "Don't feed that to the dog because it is bad for him" with you responding with: "If it is bad for him why isn't it bad for us, also??!!"

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:32 pm
by vnatale
MachineGhost wrote:
Fri May 23, 2014 11:36 am
Got my teeth cleaned for the first time since I started the regime, and there was hardly anything to remove.  No painful pulling or scraping requiring numbing agent; no flossing required.  But I had staining which took the most amount of time to deal with.  Overall, it took about 30 minutes.  I figure that's from either when I used Schulze's herbal formula which stains everything, the Closys reacting and oxidizing or a new idea this morning, the beet-based sublingual SOD.  We'll see.
Yesterday was also my first teeth cleaning since I started the regime in early July. My last one had been January 2020. I'd prior been getting them every four months so that it'd be less painful from the accumulation being removed from the last time it'd been removed.

This was the first time with this dentist office after 46 years with my prior dentist. Thus, first time with this dental hygienist. She remarked that my mouth care must be good because my gums were excellent and my teeth were also looking good. She found little tartar or calculus.

I had gone there concerned because my teeth at that point had a heavy brown stain, something I'd never prior experienced. But she was not concerned at all with the staining and easily removed it.

With my prior hygienist because I am so sensitive to anything going on in my mouth I'd always get a "topical" to numb my mouth somewhat while the teeth cleaning was going on. Even with that topical I'd still feel pain during the cleaning.

Yesterday I felt ZERO pain with the teeth cleaning. Had never prior experienced that. No topical had been used. I don't know if that was due to the new hygienist being superior to all the ones I'd ever prior had or it was due to the Dr. Ellie regime I'd been faithfully following for the prior five months. I had stopped flossing totally after starting her regime.

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:53 pm
by vnatale
MangoMan wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:46 pm
Reub wrote: I tried a WaterPik recently and it seems to have cracked two of my fillings. Dentists must love these things!
That is simply not possible. The force of the water is not powerful enough to even damage your gums, let alone your teeth and fillings. You probably broke them by grinding / clenching in your sleep, or biting accidentally on something hard like an unpopped popcorn kernel or olive pit. Or maybe the filling was past its useful life and would have needed replacement regardless.
I was going to ask you this question regarding popcorn. My first meal of the day is not usually until early afternoon and it is 13 cups of plain popcorn made in one of those 1980s hot air popcorn makers. While it is popping out I spray some olive oil on it then liberally spread nutritional yeast on it when it is done.

Are there any issues eating popcorn when it relates to mouth and teeth health? Since it is corn I assume that it is pure carbohydrates? Though I was surprised to see in the package how much protein is in popcorn. Seems like a a major danger to look out for when eating popcorn is what you have above?

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:56 pm
by vnatale
MangoMan wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:54 pm
MachineGhost wrote: Of interest, here's the world's first dental citizen science campaign.  We'll put MangoMan out of business, yet! ;)

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubio ... icrobiome/
We don't need any help; we are putting ourselves out of business on our own with  :-X  fluoride.  :'(

So let's say you get the test [not covered by insurance!!] and it actually isn't total BS. What is your dentist going to do with the information? Alter your saliva [not possible, and if it was: not covered by insurance!!]? I ran a similar test on my dog for an allergy issue and the test came back listing 20 different things he may be allergic to. Like grass, and carpet fibers. What am I supposed to do with that information? Not let him pee outside? Remove the wall-to-wall carpet covering roughly 2000 sq ft of floor? If it's not actionable, or expensive to rectify, what's the point?
Here the famed MachineGhost encounters and is confronted by the equally famed MangoMan logic!

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:05 pm
by vnatale
MangoMan wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:15 pm
Abstract
J Clin Dent. 2011;22(1):1-5.
An in vitro comparative study determining bactericidal activity of stabilized chlorine dioxide and other oral rinses.
Drake D1, Villhauer AL.
Author information

    1Dows Institute for Dental Research, College of Dentistry, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA. david-drake@uiowa.edu

Abstract
OBJECTIVE:

The study was conducted to determine the bactericidal activity of a stabilized chlorine dioxide oral rinse (CloSYS Oral Rinse) compared to products currently available on the market.
METHODS:

Oral bacteria associated with gingivitis and periodontitis were exposed to rinses for one minute and five minutes. The numbers of colony forming units per milliliter (CFU/ml) were measured prior to and following exposure to determine the bactericidal activity.
RESULTS:

As expected, Listerine and Crest Pro-Health demonstrated complete kill on all bacteria exposed within one minute. Breath Rx exhibited the weakest levels of bactericidal effects overall. CloSYS and chlorhexidine rinses proved identical 100% kills against the periodontal pathogens at five minutes; in some cases, CloSYS oral rinse achieved a higher kill at the one-minute mark over the chlorhexidine rinse.
CONCLUSION:

The results demonstrated that CloSYS Oral Rinse has potential for providing a therapeutic benefit, making it an attractive option to induce compliance in patients concerned about taste and tooth discoloration during oral health therapy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21290979

________________


Most of my periodontist colleagues recommend Listerine. You can also occasionally use hydrogen peroxide diluted 50/50 with water to get the oxigenizing effect Closys delivers if you think it is beneficial. Chlorhexidine is available by prescription only and has the negative side effect of temporarily staining your teeth brown.
I just checked and Closys does not contain chlorhexidine which makes sense since you clearly state it is only available by prescription. However, could the Closys have been the source of the brown staining on my teeth? And, what does the "temporarily" mean? That it can be removed mechanically?

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:09 pm
by vnatale
MangoMan wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:57 am
Jack Jones wrote:
MangoMan wrote: As expected, Listerine and Crest Pro-Health demonstrated complete kill on all bacteria exposed within one minute. Breath Rx exhibited the weakest levels of bactericidal effects overall. CloSYS and chlorhexidine rinses proved identical 100% kills against the periodontal pathogens at five minutes; in some cases, CloSYS oral rinse achieved a higher kill at the one-minute mark over the chlorhexidine rinse.
It seems like there would be no benefit to using both, but I've definitely noticed a difference in breath quality after ceasing Closys use.
Get yourself a good quality tongue scraper [I like the one made by Philips/Discus Dental, makers of BreathRx]. Rinse with Listerine, floss, brush your teeth, scrape your tongue, rinse out the toothpaste, and finish with a bit of diluted peroxide, making sure the peroxide gets to the back of your tongue. If your breath still smells, you probably have bigger issues like gum disease.

Standard disclaimer: This is general advice and you should have your dentist evaluate your specific needs.
Is it possible for you to provide us with the Amazon URL for this item? I just did an Amazon search and could not seem close to finding it. Thanks!

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:21 pm
by vnatale
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 9:41 am
Pug may question this, but as a 6 month experiment I have been brushing exclusively with Xylitol.

I am about 3 months in. There is no doubt that I have less plaque buildup and I have had zero gum issues. In the past, certainly every few weeks I'd have some level of gum irritation here or there for whatever reason, none since starting Xylitol.

You can search for how it works. And I'll give an update after my next checkup.

I'd also like to ask Pug, toothpaste is all marketing for the most part, right? If I look at "active" ingredients, it is mainly either Sodium Fluoride or Stannous Fluoride, and if I have one really expensive "Helps prevent bleeding gums" toothpaste with one vs. a cheaper alternative with the same active ingredient, they are basically the same?
Cortopassi!!!

One of the great minority in this topic that had been going on for about five years at the time of your response above who is is still active in the forum. Almost all the other participants except for you and pubchief seem to be long gone.

What is the update on your mouth care and its results?

If I am remembering correctly, Dr. Ellie loves Sodium Flouride but hates Stannous Flouride.

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:24 pm
by vnatale
WiseOne wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 7:26 am
I kind of ignored the fluoride controversy for a while, but recently switched to a non-fluoride toothpaste. I figure that with the water fluoridated it doesn't make sense to double up given that NYC's water hovers around the EPA safe limit as it is. And also figured easier than messing around with reverse osmosis systems.

The one I'm using is Dr. Bronner's which uses coconut oil & flour. At my last checkup, the hygienist commented that my teeth were cleaner and with less plaque than usual. And, no cavities. Sample size of one visit but that's intriguing. I'm sticking with the plan.
Dr. Ellie is against water flouridation and recommends filtering it out if is is in your water supply. I checked with my town and my water is not flouridated.

She does recommend some exposure to flouridation but only in the context of her proscribed regime as so well described by MachineGhost in the first post in this topic. Or, by going to Dr. Ellie's web site. You can buy and read either or both of her two books. Or, you can basically get almost all of it for free on her web site.

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:27 pm
by vnatale
Mark Leavy wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 6:48 pm
It's really not that hard. Just stop eating carbohydrates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8259/

It balances the PH in your mouth (tartar, decay) and starves S mutans. (caries)
Dr. Ellie in her books well explains that it is not the sugar per se that causes the cavities but the food the sugar feeds the bad bacteria which grow enough sufficiently to then damage your teeth.

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:31 pm
by vnatale
thisisallen wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 9:40 am
Mark Leavy wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 6:48 pm
It's really not that hard. Just stop eating carbohydrates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8259/

It balances the PH in your mouth (tartar, decay) and starves S mutans. (caries)
Mark, isn’t that like “robbing Peter to pay Paul” because carbs have good benefits also, especially if you’re a vegetarian.
Using Xylitol mints or gum will create more saliva in your mouth to help keep the bacteria from damaging the teeth.
Exactly in line with Dr. Ellie's regime.

She says you can eat whatever you want as long as you follow up the bad food by finishing the meal with eating alkaline food to counteract the acid producing food you eat. Or, follow what you prescribe above. She explains that the xylitol mints or gum allows your saliva to produce substances which do not promote the production of the bad bacteria but, instead, results in their deaths.

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:34 pm
by vnatale
Kriegsspiel wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:19 pm
Some people do better eating few carbs and more fat, some people do better eating carbs and fewer fats. Everyone just needs to figure out which kind of people they are.
I assume that this can only be done through trial and error?

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:37 pm
by vnatale
Cortopassi wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:29 pm
Cortopassi wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 9:41 am
Pug may question this, but as a 6 month experiment I have been brushing exclusively with Xylitol.

I am about 3 months in. There is no doubt that I have less plaque buildup and I have had zero gum issues. In the past, certainly every few weeks I'd have some level of gum irritation here or there for whatever reason, none since starting Xylitol.

You can search for how it works. And I'll give an update after my next checkup.

I'd also like to ask Pug, toothpaste is all marketing for the most part, right? If I look at "active" ingredients, it is mainly either Sodium Fluoride or Stannous Fluoride, and if I have one really expensive "Helps prevent bleeding gums" toothpaste with one vs. a cheaper alternative with the same active ingredient, they are basically the same?
Just got back from my latest visit after 6 months of nearly exclusive Xylitol brushing.

--Dentist rolled her eyes when I told her what I did
--No cavities
--Gum probing numbers seemed better than last time, a lot of 1s and 2s

Overall, I think I had a lot less intermittent gum problems strictly using Xylitol. She told me I should split the difference, brush once a day with fluoride, once with Xylitol. I can live with that.

So my teeth didn't fall out and my gums seem healthier. I would say it was at least on par if not slightly better than fluoride toothpaste for me, for a short time period.
Here was an update... but I will still take one as of today! Thanks!

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:43 pm
by vnatale
williswine wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:08 pm
vnatale wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:24 pm
williswine wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:38 am
Peelu USA (no affiliation) sells dental fibers made from the same tree as that chewing stick. I have been using http://peelu.com/dental-fibers/spearmint-25-oz/ for years now and my dental hygienist is always amazed at how little plaque I have. I don't really like the taste of it but it leaves my mouth and teeth so clean and it does not leave a toothpaste after taste that sometimes affects my sleep. Added bonus is that it is not a liquid so travels really easy. Oh, and it lasts a long long time (just like my crystal deodorant stick).

I'm however wondering if the system mentioned in the first post wouldn't do an even better job even though it certainly costs a lot more and has many more chemicals involved.  Wonder what Dr Ellie would say, maybe don't change a thing!
Link does not work. And, peelu seems to no longer exist? With the endorsement above, I was going to buy some!

Vinny
Vinny, I didn't realize you were PMing people until now. I haven't used Peelu in a long while as I can't find it as easily as I once did. I've switched to the system in the first post. It prevents tartar buildup big time so my hygienist rarely if ever has to use powered tools. I have had some decay under this system but I can't always follow it to the letter when I'm on the road...
When did you make the switch? Have you stayed with it? What have the latest results been?

Vinny

Re: The Permanent Tooth and Gum Care Regime

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:48 pm
by vnatale
MangoMan wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:15 pm
Brush 3x/day. Change brush every 2 months. Run thru dishwasher every 2 weeks.
Floss at bedtime.
Use listerine before each brushing and/or flossing. It will not discolor your teeth. Chlorhexidine rinse will, but that is by Rx only.
Night guard is a good idea if ANY signs of grinding or clenching. Damage is slow and progressive.
Time between professional cleaning varies by patient. I have some that could come once a year or maybe less and be fine. I have others that should probably come every 2 months but don't.
Not sure why your guy would continue to practice at 73 unless he is bad with money or hates his wife and is trying to avoid her.
Holistic dentistry is a crock/scam in my opinion, YMMV.

Not sure what I will do when this ends. My son can take over my practice completely or I can continue part time. Prob depends on how draconian the new regulations to practice are and how serious the threat of ill health is to me. I am working now for fun, not necessity. Full time would be too much, but 12 hours per week is still enjoyable and my back is a lot happier.
That is the most aggressive recommendation I've seen anywhere. I think I've seen the recommendation for six months. If I use one toothbrush (electric) in the morning and a different one at night (manual) does that extend your change recommendation to 4 months for each?

Regarding the cleaning of the brush. Dr. Ellie recommends swishing the brush in Listerine for a few seconds and then rinsing it in water. Letting the brush dry for a full 24 hours -- hence the need for two different brushes. She says bacteria die with no moisture? Thus, if you used the same brush for both brushings it'd not sufficiently dry out and bacteria would continue to multiply on the brush.

Vinny