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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by dualstow » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:40 pm

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I generally buy milk by the gallon, and I immediately use about half of it for yogurt. Simply scald on the stove, cool to "baby bottle" temperature, pour into a quart mason jar, whisk in a dollop of culture (any fresh, live yogurt), and tuck away in a warm place for 8-12 hours. (I use a shelf on the wood cookstove in the winter, but I have successfully used a crock pot sans lid, and the top of a water heater.) That's Product No. 1.
I used to make clabbered milk. No culture, but no boiling. Just milk and no space for air in a small container, stored on the shelf at room temp. Wait a few weeks. Not bad. I used raw milk from the farmer’s market, sold furtively in a brown bag. They don’t sell it here anyore.
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Something I noticed, since I've always been a space buff and I've been reading and looking at a lot of archive videos and books and magazines from Apollo.

Look at the crowds watching the Apollo launches. Look at the workers. Look at the mission control people.

Find me an overweight/obese one. Bet you can't.

I told my wife about this because we’ve been watching all the Apollo stuff on public TV, as well as the amazing film that came out earlier this year. (The one with the cool Matt Morton soundtrack using only instruments and synthesizers that were available in the sixties) .
Funny thing is, when I told her your comment, she said I’d said pretty much the same thing when we were watching. :) I have no memory of that.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Cortopassi » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:23 pm

Funny!
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:06 pm

Evidently those nerds had higher testosterone than the average man today as well.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Smith1776 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:15 pm

Do you guys know any good resources for cutting programs in preparation for things like photoshoots?

I've been basically doing all bulking since I started doing bodybuilding, and need to lose that last layer of fat and subcutaneous water to get photo-ready vascularity and all that. However, I've never done it before and am totally lost on the proper cutting process. So many conflicting things found on Google...
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:22 pm

You've been bulking for a long time and you still only have a 'last' layer of BF?
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Smith1776 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:51 am

Kriegsspiel wrote:
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You've been bulking for a long time and you still only have a 'last' layer of BF?
Yup!

'Cause even while bulking my calorie intake was still a pittance compared to when I was just a lazy couch potato.

I mean, I'm still a couch potato, but now just in an investing sense.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:00 pm

How much time do you have before the photo shoot?
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:09 pm

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How much time do you have before the photo shoot?
So it's actually on my own schedule, and will basically be whenever I'm ready. These extra photos will be added to my current portfolio of photos that include things like headshots for acting.

So, fairly flexible with time, but still I'd like to "peak" no later than possible. Like... before this year is through would be nice. :D
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:47 pm

So what advice do you need, you've just never had to cut before? Here's a quick Barney-style breakdown:

The keys are keeping your protein high, to maintain muscle mass, and burning off more calories than you take in. You need more protein to maintain lean body mass in a calorie deficit than you did to gain muscle mass when you were bulking. Also, the leaner you are, the more protein you need, whereas if you start out super obese you can get by with less protein. Cutting is pretty simple, but not easy. You just need to experiment a bit to find the easiest way for you.

People cut successfully on pretty much every kind of diet you can think of*. PSMF works. CKD works. Low fat works. You just have to figure out what you can tolerate. What I mean is.. some people like the foods they can eat on a keto diet, and they make them feel satiated, and they can still do ok in the gym. Other people say they feel like they're really weak and nauseated on keto. Likewise, some people feel great eating chicken/rice/broccoli and can keep that up for a while.

Same deal applies to how much to eat. Some people naturally will under-eat and lose weight after they consciously went on a bulk (these people usually lose muscle because they don't pay attention to their protein). Some people can eat "all the keto foods they want" and lose weight (because they're so satiated they stop eating). You can go anywhere from PSMF levels, where you're basically eating protein and EFAs and nothing else, which rips the fat off your body incredibly quickly while you feel like you're dying.. to figuring out what your current maintenance calories are (where you don't gain or lose weight) and subtracting a bit from it, which slowly drops your bodyfat over a longer period of time. And anywhere in between. Pick based on your tolerance and goals.

* To clarify, I meant every type of diet a bodybuilder would think of. I don't think I need to say that the juice detox diets regularly pushed by women's magazines are retarded.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Xan » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:03 pm

There seems to be a higher proportion of bodybuilders here than in the general population. Is there something about bodybuilding and the PP that makes them go hand-in-hand? I'm thinking of a former member and prolific poster who was also a bodybuilder.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Cortopassi » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:25 pm

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There seems to be a higher proportion of bodybuilders here than in the general population. Is there something about bodybuilding and the PP that makes them go hand-in-hand? I'm thinking of a former member and prolific poster who was also a bodybuilder.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Smith1776 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:56 pm

Kriegsspiel wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:47 pm
So what advice do you need, you've just never had to cut before? Here's a quick Barney-style breakdown:

The keys are keeping your protein high, to maintain muscle mass, and burning off more calories than you take in. You need more protein to maintain lean body mass in a calorie deficit than you did to gain muscle mass when you were bulking. Also, the leaner you are, the more protein you need, whereas if you start out super obese you can get by with less protein. Cutting is pretty simple, but not easy. You just need to experiment a bit to find the easiest way for you.

People cut successfully on pretty much every kind of diet you can think of*. PSMF works. CKD works. Low fat works. You just have to figure out what you can tolerate. What I mean is.. some people like the foods they can eat on a keto diet, and they make them feel satiated, and they can still do ok in the gym. Other people say they feel like they're really weak and nauseated on keto. Likewise, some people feel great eating chicken/rice/broccoli and can keep that up for a while.

Same deal applies to how much to eat. Some people naturally will under-eat and lose weight after they consciously went on a bulk (these people usually lose muscle because they don't pay attention to their protein). Some people can eat "all the keto foods they want" and lose weight (because they're so satiated they stop eating). You can go anywhere from PSMF levels, where you're basically eating protein and EFAs and nothing else, which rips the fat off your body incredibly quickly while you feel like you're dying.. to figuring out what your current maintenance calories are (where you don't gain or lose weight) and subtracting a bit from it, which slowly drops your bodyfat over a longer period of time. And anywhere in between. Pick based on your tolerance and goals.

* To clarify, I meant every type of diet a bodybuilder would think of. I don't think I need to say that the juice detox diets regularly pushed by women's magazines are retarded.
Yes, I basically started out just trying to gain muscle and keeping the body fat level reasonable, but never specifically have I done a cut.

I started bodybuilding about 2 years ago, so I'm not super huge or anything, but have put on enough muscle mass that I get 1 or 2 comments a week about being "in shape".

In a nutshell, I have mass, just not much definition.

My impression is that my body has always easily put on mass (the good and the bad kind), but it's very challenging for me to lose weight. So, I know this will be difficult either way.

Thank you for these tips, I'll do further research and experimentation.
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There seems to be a higher proportion of bodybuilders here than in the general population. Is there something about bodybuilding and the PP that makes them go hand-in-hand? I'm thinking of a former member and prolific poster who was also a bodybuilder.
Maybe we're the same person and this account was just a long con. >:D
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