The Permanent Supplement Regime

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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:23 pm

Kbg wrote:
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Assuming you don't suffer from a chronic health condition, the human body does not need supplements in pill form if you eat a healthy, varied diet. That said, I take these supplements:
  • Multi-vitamin - Doctor recommended as a "safety net" just in case I'm missing anything in my vegetarian diet (unlikely).
  • Calcium - I eat very little dairy (mostly a little cheese here and there), so again, just a safety net.
  • Vitamin D3 - Doctor recommended 5000IU daily. Whatever you say, doc.
  • Low-dose aspirin - Twice weekly now that I'm over 50, for the potential protection against heart attacks, strokes, and colon cancer.
I used to also take vitamin C thinking that it warded off colds, but I eat fresh fruits and vegetables every day so I already intake a good quantity of natural vitamin C and I have not noticed an increase in illness since I stopped taking it in pill form. Leaves me with more money to invest in the Permanent Portfolio. ;)
Apparently a new study (financed by Bayer) indicates aspirin and fish oil supplements have no real benefits for heart health and increase gastro problems. Probably not the drones Bayer was looking for.
There’s an ­unspoken rule in the pharmaceutical industry that half of all academic biomedical research will ultimately prove false, and in 2011 a group of researchers at Bayer decided to test it. Looking at sixty-seven recent drug discovery projects based on preclinical cancer biology research, they found that in more than 75 percent of cases the published data did not match up with their in-house attempts to replicate. These were not studies published in fly-by-night oncology journals, but blockbuster research featured in Science, Nature, Cell, and the like. The Bayer researchers were drowning in bad studies, and it was to this, in part, that they attributed the mysteriously declining yields of drug pipelines. Perhaps so many of these new drugs fail to have an effect because the basic research on which their development was based isn’t valid.

- William Wilson, Scientific Regress
I wonder which one was wrong, this new study from Bayer, or all the ones that show benefits from fish oil, for instance these older ones?
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by pugchief » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:45 pm

Apparently, there is also a vague link to increased incidence of prostate cancer in men who take fish oil capsules. You just don't know who to believe anymore. :'(
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Mark Leavy » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:08 pm

Who knows, these days?

My current supplement/nutrition regimen is:

After morning shower...
1 ) A full pot of coffee while reading the news.
2 ) Serious weight lifting

After gym...
3 ) 6 egg yolks stirred into a half a cup of Orange Juice.
4 ) 50 grams of Hydrolyzed Collagen and 4 grams of salt mixed with 400ml of hot water.
5 ) 3000 mg of NAC - spread throughout the day.

Mid day...
6 ) Many miles of walking up and down hills with lots of sunshine on my torso.

Late day...
7 ) A big ass steak and a bottle of wine.
8 ) Some sort of sex.
9 ) 8 to 10 hours of sleep.
10 ) Repeat

Not a lot of science that will vouch for me, but it seems to be working. And I've experimented with everything for a long time...
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:54 am

pugchief wrote:
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Apparently, there is also a vague link to increased incidence of prostate cancer in men who take fish oil capsules. You just don't know who to believe anymore. :'(
What, with an N of 8? ::)

I say go for common sense. Fish is good for you. Fish oil probably is too.

Mark, we're on the same page. If I didn't know any better, I'd think your last name was Sisson. But I have to ask, WTF is up with that eggs and orange juice combo?
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by pugchief » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:03 am

Mark Leavy wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:08 pm
Who knows, these days?

My current supplement/nutrition regimen is:

After morning shower...
1 ) A full pot of coffee while reading the news.
2 ) Serious weight lifting

After gym...
3 ) 6 egg yolks stirred into a half a cup of Orange Juice.
4 ) 50 grams of Hydrolyzed Collagen and 4 grams of salt mixed with 400ml of hot water.
5 ) 3000 mg of NAC - spread throughout the day.

Mid day...
6 ) Many miles of walking up and down hills with lots of sunshine on my torso.

Late day...
7 ) A big ass steak and a bottle of wine.
8 ) Some sort of sex.
9 ) 8 to 10 hours of sleep.
10 ) Repeat

Not a lot of science that will vouch for me, but it seems to be working. And I've experimented with everything for a long time...
-Why don't you want the egg whites (protein) after lifting weights?
-Is the HC for your joints? Would the addition of the egg whites be too much protein?
-That seems like an awful lot of salt....
-What specifically are you hoping to gain via the N-AC? The studies don't seem that conclusive.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kbg » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:08 am

It's incredibly hard if not impossible to find nutrition data you can use...it sucks. I get it that as new studies come out things change, but a "here is the current consensus on X" kinda website would be awesome.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Don » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:10 am

Mark Leavy wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:08 pm
Who knows, these days?

My current supplement/nutrition regimen is:

After morning shower...
1 ) A full pot of coffee while reading the news.
2 ) Serious weight lifting

After gym...
3 ) 6 egg yolks stirred into a half a cup of Orange Juice.
4 ) 50 grams of Hydrolyzed Collagen and 4 grams of salt mixed with 400ml of hot water.
5 ) 3000 mg of NAC - spread throughout the day.

Mid day...
6 ) Many miles of walking up and down hills with lots of sunshine on my torso.

Late day...
7 ) A big ass steak and a bottle of wine.
8 ) Some sort of sex.
9 ) 8 to 10 hours of sleep.
10 ) Repeat

Not a lot of science that will vouch for me, but it seems to be working. And I've experimented with everything for a long time...
Where do you go for #8?
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by jacksonM » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:23 am

Kbg wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:08 am
It's incredibly hard if not impossible to find nutrition data you can use...it sucks. I get it that as new studies come out things change, but a "here is the current consensus on X" kinda website would be awesome.
Given that the "current consensus" on nutrition led to the obesity epidemic I don't think I would put much stock in a website like that. One of my go to guys for nutritional information is Dr. Ken Berry. He's the author of a book called "Lies my doctor told me".

I've gotten to the point where I put more stock in anecdotal evidence than I do so-called "studies" because they have so often been shown to have hidden agendas. And also the actual findings of the study don't always line up with the click-bait headline version upon further investigation.

I'm currently following the ketogenic diet with daily fasting. I've dropped 50 lbs from my peak weight and I'm feeling great @ almost 70.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Cortopassi » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:25 am

I've been Keto/Paleo on and off for the past couple years.

On it again since Jan 1, so this is a month again for me.

I have dropped 8 pounds and joints feel good.

There's always something that knocks me off the wagon. However, each successive time I feel more inclined to stay on, esp. as I watch the older generation get older and deal with health issues.

I kind of went off on my cousin at a birthday party last weekend when we were discussing the type of creamer she puts in her coffee (mainly sugar/HFCS) and that her doctor tells her that if you're going to eat sugar, Turbinado sugar is better for you.

When I told her all I put in my coffee was heavy cream, her eyes got wide. The aversion to fat is still strong in society, but getting better.

jacksonM, yes, real world data from normal humans changing their diet and seeing real results is much better than studies. A huge benefit of the internet.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by Kriegsspiel » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:36 am

Keep in mind that studies aren't created equal. Metabolic chamber studies are a lot more useful than self-reported data. But really, just look at people who need to have their nutrition figured out, like bodybuilders, athletes, etc.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by pugchief » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:45 am

Don wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:10 am
Mark Leavy wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:08 pm

Late day...

8 ) Some sort of sex.
Where do you go for #8?
;D
I thought about adding that to my list of questions for Mark, but thought it would be too Frugal-worthy.
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Re: The Permanent Supplement Regime

Post by flyingpylon » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:11 pm

Cortopassi wrote:
Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:25 am
I've been Keto/Paleo on and off for the past couple years.
I like to avoid unnecessary volatility with a strategy I call "Half-Assed Paleo". ;D

It's kind of a mix of low-carb and cognitive dissonance.
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